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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 0:43:15 GMT
Pulis V Hughes
Put your impartial specs on for a minute. Who has had the tougher task.?
I'm equally impressed by both managers.I think Tone just shades it based on the tools he has had to work with. He has done a fantastic job and reaffirmed his credentials amongst the independant observers out there.
Hughes has equally performed miracles with his astute yet prudent strategy.
Lets just hope a 'bottom half' manager takes the title as a fair reflection of what has been achieved.
My top three in order would be for the title of 'manager of the season'....
1. Tony Pulis.
2. Mark Hughes
3. The Saints Guy...
Biggest failure would be David Moyes.
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Post by craig67 on Apr 21, 2014 0:49:09 GMT
I think Pulis has put to bed the ridiculous statement that he would never manage in The Premier League again that was pedalled by some of the more vociferous/(Admin/Werrington/Pugsley)posters on here.
Hughes has done a brilliant job-better than most of us could have hoped for.Onwards on upwards.
If Liverpool win the League then Rodgers will be Manager of the season.After that take your pick.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 21, 2014 2:29:37 GMT
Yeah that's all well and good but you can't fail to doff your cap to Martinez. Everton seemingly stripped of their prime assets and relying on the loan shark principle {rather than properly indentured players} and making a pretty decent fist of a tilt at a Champions League spot, and playing nice nogger.
Also the rather puffy headed Bruce, who's had a few quid to spend, but has had to pussyfoot a fine line between fans and financier. Guiding Hull to a Cup final and probable safety. {If they get relegated I'll withdraw my nomination.} But perhaps I should apply the Wigan principle. He's managed to get a decent tune out of Huddlestone and getting them to play some steely stuff.
Pottechino being a non English speaking 14 year old seems to have worked out quite well, but I don't hold out much hope for him next season.
Brendan Rodgers doesn't get my vote because he's done nowt to stamp out the Scouse connivery of Suarez, cheating twats.
It's between Hughesy for the transformation on a shoestring, and TP for fining divers for me.
Their relative finishing positions would denote the prize winner.
I don't mind Monk, Sherwood or 'Shoes' Adams, because of cajones rather than calibre.
The rest of the shower of Prem League managers are either weak, wanting, wank or feckless no-marks.
Magath might have some comedy value.
The wooden spoon goes to Pardew, or Moyes. Both cowards: one should have banned Ashley from the ground, the other should have banned Ferguson.
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Post by mysteriojr on Apr 21, 2014 2:30:56 GMT
I think Pulis has put to bed the ridiculous statement that he would never manage in The Premier League again that was pedalled by some of the more vociferous/(Admin/Werrington/Pugsley)posters on here. Hughes has done a brilliant job-better than most of us could have hoped for.Onwards on upwards. If Liverpool win the League then Rodgers will be Manager of the season.After that take your pick. palace was last chance saloon for Pulis really. No club really wanted him and i think he was meant to be a stopgap till summer. He however seized the opportunity and has become more flexible. Chamakh, Puncheon and Bolasie would never have made it in a Pulis stoke side. Ala Tuncy, Gudjohnen. fair play to him though he recognized what he had to do to save his bacon and its working. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 21, 2014 6:33:58 GMT
Both have done sterling jobs.
The big test for Pulis is next season now his firefighting is done.
Hopefully MH has done the groundwork and next season will see us as a genuine top half team. And cup winners to boot.
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Post by Northy on Apr 21, 2014 6:47:03 GMT
Here we go again  , haven't we had 10 of these bitching threads a day for a while now? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 7:06:41 GMT
Here we go again , haven't we had 10 of these bitching threads a day for a while now? The only ball bag that's bitching is you. You don't have to take part or rubbish other peoples views. Go and join the clique in the BLackpool bar. Mumf |
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Post by Northy on Apr 21, 2014 7:26:07 GMT
Here we go again , haven't we had 10 of these bitching threads a day for a while now? The only ball bag that's bitching is you. You don't have to take part or rubbish other peoples views. Go and join the clique in the BLackpool bar. Mumf Seriously? You haven't noticed that half the threads turn into a Hughes v Pulis slanging match even without the thread mentioning them, putting both of their names into a whose better than who will get the bitching going in earnest, Pulis v Hughes, were you fishing, why not a 'manager of the season thread' it's why I don't bother much these days. Not sure about the Blackpool bar, I don't drink much these days. Brendan Rodgers, if they win it, or Tony Pulis will have to be at the front running for manager of the season, Hughes will be in the 2nd group. |
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Post by elystokie on Apr 21, 2014 7:34:08 GMT
I think Pulis has put to bed the ridiculous statement that he would never manage in The Premier League again that was pedalled by some of the more vociferous/(Admin/Werrington/Pugsley)posters on here. Hughes has done a brilliant job-better than most of us could have hoped for.Onwards on upwards. If Liverpool win the League then Rodgers will be Manager of the season.After that take your pick. And PC and MH have put to bed the assertion made by some of the more vociferous posters on here that we'd definitely 'Do a Charlton' as soon as the capped one left us. So it's all good  |
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Post by 1982stokie on Apr 21, 2014 7:36:58 GMT
Moyes manager of the season for me
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Post by RAF on Apr 21, 2014 7:46:07 GMT
Truth is they have both done a good job.
Hughes has proven that the players Pulis brought in havent lost the Stoke DNA, he hasnt lost the dressing room and they can actually play more than one way.
He's also proved that the team can operate with a couple of skillful players and we dont have to rely on set pieces.
Pulis has dragged a team from certain relegation to a possible mid table finish, even the biggest Pulis critic has to acknowledge the job he has done even if they dont like it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 7:56:59 GMT
Hughes had the tougher task.
A lose lose situation on one hand - taking over an established club and tasked with changing a style that had been embedded into the club for 7 years or more. All with little to spend. It could have gone completely wrong quite easily.
Pulis walked into a low expectation win win situation with nearly 12M to spend, on a side that actually wasn't that bad on paper (in relation to being bottom with 4 points) but had been grossly mis managed by their former manager.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 21, 2014 8:02:56 GMT
Hughes had the tougher task. A lose lose situation on one hand - taking over an established club and tasked with changing a style that had been embedded into the club for 7 years or more. All with little to spend. It could have gone completely wrong quite easily. Pulis walked into a low expectation win win situation with nearly 12M to spend, on a side that actually wasn't that bad on paper (in relation to being bottom with 4 points) but had been grossly mis managed by their former manager. I'm pretty sure any manager offered the jobs offered to Hughes and Pulis would go for the Stoke job. Not quite sure how you could argue that the job Hughes had was tougher but each to his own. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 8:04:36 GMT
Truth is they have both done a good job. Hughes has proven that the players Pulis brought in havent lost the Stoke DNA, he hasnt lost the dressing room and they can actually play more than one way. He's also proved that the team can operate with a couple of skillful players and we dont have to rely on set pieces. Pulis has dragged a team from certain relegation to a possible mid table finish, even the biggest Pulis critic has to acknowledge the job he has done even if they dont like it. H Yes absolutely....I suppose in an obscure way both of them were the ideal candidates for both jobs at that particular point in their careers . Both needed to resurrect their reputations , especially hughes and to a lesser extent Tony Pulis . That's not to suggest that his career at Stoke had ended in disaster , but he had clearly lost the plot in some respects if not the dressing room. His signings were very costly and we could not continue along the same path. Hughes of course needed to exorcise the ghost of QPR and Stoke was the ideal opportunity to dispel the doubters. Both have succeeded way beyond what most people expected , and I include myself in that group. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 8:11:44 GMT
Hughes had the tougher task. A lose lose situation on one hand - taking over an established club and tasked with changing a style that had been embedded into the club for 7 years or more. All with little to spend. It could have gone completely wrong quite easily. Pulis walked into a low expectation win win situation with nearly 12M to spend, on a side that actually wasn't that bad on paper (in relation to being bottom with 4 points) but had been grossly mis managed by their former manager. I'm pretty sure any manager offered the jobs offered to Hughes and Pulis would go for the Stoke job. Not quite sure how you could argue that the job Hughes had was tougher but each to his own. On the basis of changing a style with little money to spend. It's exceptionally tough to do. Pulis has admitted himself he had different players at Palace to allow him to play a more expansive style. It cuts both ways. |
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Post by Fred Ferret on Apr 21, 2014 8:11:56 GMT
Truth is they have both done a good job. Hughes has proven that the players Pulis brought in havent lost the Stoke DNA, he hasnt lost the dressing room and they can actually play more than one way. He's also proved that the team can operate with a couple of skillful players and we dont have to rely on set pieces. Pulis has dragged a team from certain relegation to a possible mid table finish, even the biggest Pulis critic has to acknowledge the job he has done even if they dont like it. H A sound appraisal - nothing to choose between them. However, with 11 straight wins and stunning football - Brendan Rogers most likely will get it, for the bin-dippers. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 21, 2014 8:12:35 GMT
Pulis V Hughes Put your impartial specs on for a minute. Who has had the tougher task.? I'm equally impressed by both managers.I think Tone just shades it based on the tools he has had to work with. He has done a fantastic job and reaffirmed his credentials amongst the independant I observers out there. Hughes has equally performed miracles with his astute yet prudent strategy. Lets just hope a 'bottom half' manager takes the title as a fair reflection of what has been achieved. My top three in order would be for the title of 'manager of the season'.... 1. Tony Pulis. 2. Mark Hughes 3. The Saints Guy... Biggest failure would be David Moyes. Agree the MOS should be TP or Les depending on who finishes higher IMO. Third place for me is Martinez and if he is backed in the summer could turn Everton into top 4. Failure of the season is a difficult one. Moyes took over a team that somehow Fergie worked miracles with to win the title last season. Man Utd are probably where they should be TBH. For me Poyet is the seasons failure after all the hype from him early season ranting. He's no better than De Canio IMO. However if they somehow escape relegation I will doff my hat but still think he is the seasons failure. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 21, 2014 8:21:45 GMT
I'm pretty sure any manager offered the jobs offered to Hughes and Pulis would go for the Stoke job. Not quite sure how you could argue that the job Hughes had was tougher but each to his own. On the basis of changing a style with little money to spend. It's exceptionally tough to do. Pulis has admitted himself he had different players at Palace to allow him to play a more expansive style. It cuts both ways. Hughes had a very tough job. Pulis walked into a club regarded as relegation certainties. Both have done great jobs. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 8:27:47 GMT
Truth is they have both done a good job. Hughes has proven that the players Pulis brought in havent lost the Stoke DNA, he hasnt lost the dressing room and they can actually play more than one way. He's also proved that the team can operate with a couple of skillful players and we dont have to rely on set pieces. Pulis has dragged a team from certain relegation to a possible mid table finish, even the biggest Pulis critic has to acknowledge the job he has done even if they dont like it. H This. The change has done everybody good, and he deserves a great deal of credit for what he has done at Palace. His win percentage so far is higher than that at any other club in his career so far. The only 'proof' that this gives is that he needed to get away from Stoke as much as we needed to get away from him. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 8:30:16 GMT
I thought we lost one nil to Palace. Must be Super Tone  GD |
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 21, 2014 8:30:56 GMT
If you put this question to all football fans, excluding Stoke and Palace, there would be a unanimous verdict.
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Post by werrington on Apr 21, 2014 8:33:55 GMT
If you put this question to all football fans, excluding Stoke and Palace, there would be a unanimous verdict. That because they don't see the bigger picture ?....also So fans of other teams and the media are right now are they ? |
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Post by retired1 on Apr 21, 2014 9:01:52 GMT
Both Hughes and Pulis have done great jobs. But you have to admit than Pulis has turned Palace around big time from dead in the water certainties for relegation to being possible top 10 finishers. how do people argue with 5 wins on the trot? Oh I know it's Tony Pulis so its not worth anything.
Pulis has gone so let him manage Placae. We have Hughes so lets become stronger next season.
Rodgers is a cert for manager of the year if they win the title. And rightly so.
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 21, 2014 9:10:18 GMT
When Holloway left Palace they had 3pts from 9 games and I for one thought that Derby's total of the lowest ever score in the prem was about to be beaten. I don't subscribe to the view that Pulis actually inherited a good side, they are, for me, 1 of the worst squads in prem history. Love him or hate him the job he has done at Palace beggars belief and probably one of the greatest escapes in football history. It just annoys the f^ck out of me that his Palace side now look like our only threat to our top half finish.
Hughes is doing an excellent job and I cant praise him enough, the players still look up for it and I think 3pts could actually be enough for 9th place given Newcastle form/fixtures and also Palace remaining fixtures.
A big fat well done to both managers.
The Liverpool lad deserves manager of the season though, but Pulis cant be too far behind.
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Post by skip on Apr 21, 2014 9:51:55 GMT
If you put this question to all football fans, excluding Stoke and Palace, there would be a unanimous verdict. Hey Geoff321! Now he's no longer here, can you admit to knowing Pulis? I for one of many, think he has done a corking job at Palace but he needed to leave Stoke to rediscover his love of footballing philosophy as I believe he'd painted himself into a corner here for a number of reasons, so of which were out of his control. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2014 11:44:03 GMT
Both Hughes and Pulis have done great jobs. But you have to admit than Pulis has turned Palace around big time from dead in the water certainties for relegation to being possible top 10 finishers. how do people argue with 5 wins on the trot? Oh I know it's Tony Pulis so its not worth anything. Pulis has gone so let him manage Placae. We have Hughes so lets become stronger next season. Rodgers is a cert for manager of the year if they win the title. And rightly so. I don't think they have... just people wanting to pick arguments that dont exist! |
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Post by nononsense on Apr 21, 2014 14:10:48 GMT
Pulis V Hughes Put your impartial specs on for a minute. Who has had the tougher task.? I'm equally impressed by both managers.I think Tone just shades it based on the tools he has had to work with. He has done a fantastic job and reaffirmed his credentials amongst the independant observers out there. Hughes has equally performed miracles with his astute yet prudent strategy. Lets just hope a 'bottom half' manager takes the title as a fair reflection of what has been achieved. My top three in order would be for the title of 'manager of the season'.... 1. Tony Pulis. 2. Mark Hughes 3. The Saints Guy... Biggest failure would be David Moyes. Personally, i would not consider any of those 3 ! |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 21, 2014 14:48:46 GMT
Both have done fine jobs and both are rightly being talked about glowingly.
On our way back from Cardiff, pundits on 5live and Talksport both had both Hughes and Pulis as top contenders for the Manager of the year award.
Both have done great jobs. Well done to both.
However, certain people keep banging on about Pulis proving all those that said he would never manage in the Premier League again whilst refusing to acknowlege that Hughes himself has proven that being positive and attempting to play some football would be sure to spell certain relegation.
Everyones a winner so why can't such pointless agenda driven bollocks be put to bed once and for all.
Pulis will most likely be back at the Brit next season as an opposition manager. Welcome him back then if you like and get back to supporting Stoke.
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Post by stokiejoe on Apr 21, 2014 15:01:09 GMT
Both have done what they do well.
Hughes in each of his full seasons in Premier League has finished in top ten, strong defence but allows flair players freedom
Pulis is good at keeping teams up with excellent organizational skills in which each player has a tightly defined role.
Of the two I prefer to watch Hughes style but have to applaud the job Pulis has done at Palace.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 21, 2014 15:04:27 GMT
The OP asked a question, and some posters have given an answer, that's not about agendas or being anti Hughes, or anti Stoke, it's about answering a straight forward question, what's wrong with that?
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, haven't we had 10 of these bitching threads a day for a while now?
