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Post by 1raytuper on Apr 24, 2014 10:13:28 GMT
I'm glad you got the point NC, as I tried to point out, these days simply getting a seat isn't enough. It's impossible to get through to some people. Because there's an empty seat they don't see the demand. For eg, Liverpool, Haven't sold out all season, yet are looking to increase capacity from 45,000 to 59,000 We're currently 16th for stadium capacity. If we wanna compete long term we have to increase that. liverpool havent sold out all season? that sir is a fabricated fact. its a common trait on ere.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 10:15:59 GMT
With the Expected bringing in of better players, the improved style of football, I'm Expecting now, surely more people will want to watch Stoke. When Stoke were playing really well at the Vic, I'm pretty sure that we got very big attendances. Good play is what brings supporters in, and I am in no doubt, Mark Hughes has got us going in the right direction. Even if they don't fill that corner in this close season, with the improvement next season, as expected, surely Stoke will build the new extension after that. There is after all a massive catchment area in and around S.O.T.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 24, 2014 10:18:15 GMT
It's impossible to get through to some people. Because there's an empty seat they don't see the demand. For eg, Liverpool, Haven't sold out all season, yet are looking to increase capacity from 45,000 to 59,000 We're currently 16th for stadium capacity. If we wanna compete long term we have to increase that. liverpool havent sold out all season? that sir is a fabricated fact. its a common trait on ere. Liverpools capacity is 45,362 Their max attendance is 44,822 Looks like a fact to me
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Post by 1raytuper on Apr 24, 2014 10:20:10 GMT
liverpool havent sold out all season? that sir is a fabricated fact. its a common trait on ere. Liverpools capacity is 45,362 Their max attendance is 44,822 Looks like a fact to me i think you will find that the empty seats were in the away allocation. bless
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 24, 2014 10:20:52 GMT
I'm glad you got the point NC, as I tried to point out, these days simply getting a seat isn't enough. It's impossible to get through to some people. Because there's an empty seat they don't see the demand. For eg, Liverpool, Haven't sold out all season, yet are looking to increase capacity from 45,000 to 59,000 We're currently 16th for stadium capacity. If we wanna compete long term we have to increase that. Spot on TB. It's not all about quantity, quality has to come into it. I like a trip to the cinema but I won't go if there's only front seats available as the view is poor and I'm paying no less than someone that has.
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Post by thebet365 on Apr 24, 2014 10:23:18 GMT
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Post by Fred Ferret on Apr 24, 2014 10:26:54 GMT
Liverpools capacity is 45,362 Their max attendance is 44,822 Looks like a fact to me i think you will find that the empty seats were in the away allocation. bless You "think" or you "know" that for a fact do you. Liverpool have 8th best occupancy averaging 44665 against 45362 (98.4%). So, according to you NO visiting club has taken up its full allocation in virtually the whole season? Really?
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Post by 1raytuper on Apr 24, 2014 10:28:22 GMT
please stop now,liverpool have a ballot system for unsold seats, a relative is a paid up member to this scheme and so far this season has only managed to get a tkt on 2 occasions. have a guess why,doh.
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Post by 1raytuper on Apr 24, 2014 10:32:19 GMT
our supply of seats out strips our demand,simples.
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Post by foster on Apr 24, 2014 10:33:15 GMT
Liverpool are ambitious and anticipating increasing ticket sales. If they can afford it then there's nothing wrong with expanding now, even if demand won't immediately mean selling all of the tickets. At least the infrastructure will be in place when the demand does increase.
We on the other hand seem to be more reactive and seem to be waiting for ST sales to reach 25k before deciding to expand.
We can afford to expand now without impacting anything, so why not.
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Post by 1raytuper on Apr 24, 2014 10:38:26 GMT
why dont all the pro football clubs extend their stadiums in preparation for when the supply will meet the demand?maybe they think that the home atmosphere would suffer because of too many empty seats.just a guess.doh
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 24, 2014 10:40:56 GMT
To add to my earlier comment that the decision to build is a pure financial one on financial return on capital invested. To ensure a sound return there needs to be either a waiting list for season tickets or regular complaints by a large number of people that they couldn't get a ticket.
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 24, 2014 11:02:25 GMT
why dont all the pro football clubs extend their stadiums in preparation for when the supply will meet the demand?maybe they think that the home atmosphere would suffer because of too many empty seats.just a guess.doh Off the top of my head:- Liverpool looking to expand Everton looking to expand / move Manchester City expanding Spurs looking to expand / move Cardiff expanding West Ham moving Arsenal moved. Sunderland moved Leicester moved Manchester Utd increased. Newcastle increased. Southampton moved. Is that enough??
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Post by 1raytuper on Apr 24, 2014 11:11:56 GMT
why dont all the pro football clubs extend their stadiums in preparation for when the supply will meet the demand?maybe they think that the home atmosphere would suffer because of too many empty seats.just a guess.doh Off the top of my head:- Liverpool looking to expand Everton looking to expand / move Manchester City expanding Spurs looking to expand / move Cardiff expanding West Ham moving Arsenal moved. Sunderland moved Leicester moved Manchester Utd increased. Newcastle increased. Southampton moved. Is that enough?? read my post again and you might realise that i said all the PRO football clubs not all the PREM. this is too easy
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Post by 1raytuper on Apr 24, 2014 11:15:18 GMT
To add to my earlier comment that the decision to build is a pure financial one on financial return on capital invested. To ensure a sound return there needs to be either a waiting list for season tickets or regular complaints by a large number of people that they couldn't get a ticket. mrcoke,that makes far too much sense,most on ere dont want to read realistic posts like yours.
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Post by Northy on Apr 24, 2014 11:34:43 GMT
i think you will find that the empty seats were in the away allocation. bless You "think" or you "know" that for a fact do you. Liverpool have 8th best occupancy averaging 44665 against 45362 (98.4%). So, according to you NO visiting club has taken up its full allocation in virtually the whole season? Really? Won't the separation netting on the seats take a few out? Don't think I've seen any empty seats in the Liverpool stands this season, only the away end
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Post by 1raytuper on Apr 24, 2014 11:38:40 GMT
You "think" or you "know" that for a fact do you. Liverpool have 8th best occupancy averaging 44665 against 45362 (98.4%). So, according to you NO visiting club has taken up its full allocation in virtually the whole season? Really? Won't the separation netting on the seats take a few out? Don't think I've seen any empty seats in the Liverpool stands this season, only the away end yet another sensible post,when will we learn ?
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 24, 2014 11:39:29 GMT
why dont all the pro football clubs extend their stadiums in preparation for when the supply will meet the demand?maybe they think that the home atmosphere would suffer because of too many empty seats.just a guess.doh
Why did we build a 28K stadium when we were getting 15K in the Championship?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 11:42:20 GMT
I like that this thread's still going, every time i see the title i think....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 11:43:22 GMT
why dont all the pro football clubs extend their stadiums in preparation for when the supply will meet the demand?maybe they think that the home atmosphere would suffer because of too many empty seats.just a guess.doh
Why did we build a 28K stadium when we were getting 15K in the Championship?
I'd imagine that would have been a calculation based on the crowds we'd historically achieved in the past when we'd been in the top division. In other words 28k would have been our anticipated ceiling. As it stands, I think they got it about right - just about the only thing they did get right in those days.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 24, 2014 11:46:23 GMT
As fans we should know our place.....
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Post by 1raytuper on Apr 24, 2014 11:47:50 GMT
Why did we build a 28K stadium when we were getting 15K in the Championship?
I'd imagine that would have been a calculation based on the crowds we'd historically achieved in the past when we'd been in the top division. In other words 28k would have been our anticipated ceiling. As it stands, I think they got it about right - just about the only thing they did get right in those days. a good answer sir,it was a silly question but you rose above it and gave a sensible response.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 11:54:31 GMT
I'd imagine that would have been a calculation based on the crowds we'd historically achieved in the past when we'd been in the top division. In other words 28k would have been our anticipated ceiling. As it stands, I think they got it about right - just about the only thing they did get right in those days. a good answer sir,it was a silly question but you rose above it and gave a sensible response. You should have seen the shit I had to rise above last night.
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Post by lordb on Apr 24, 2014 12:01:29 GMT
there is hundreds,sometimes over a thousand empty seats because the "supply" out strips the demand,and still some on ere think we should put more seats into the equation.you couldnt make it up. If the stadium capacity was 20000|(or 15000 or 25000) guess what,there would still be 'hundreds,sometimes over a thousand empty seats 'for most games. Why? 1:Because the club will always hold back seats to sell on a matchday. i.e. they will of their violition cap the number of season tickets they sell (as they have done since 2008). 2: Because,as has been made abundantly clear on this & lots of other threads, it is diificult for nearly every club for nearly every game to sell single seats because people tend to want to go to the game with at least 1 other person &,as has been made abundantly clear on this & lots of other threads,it's difficult to get two seats (or more) together when attendances are at 95% or higher (which they have been) of capacity. This is why hardly any grounds at any Premier League club are actually 100% full. So: to make this point for the umpteenth time. Would a filled in scoreboard corner be anything less than mostly full (nor would the rest of the ground see a reduction either) for almost every Prem game? Almost certainly not. Only 1 way to found out of course. Without,for the umpteenth time,costing anything like a significant amount of money. The phrase no-brainer is used a little too often I feel however in this case it really is a no-brainer. Get it done.
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Post by sportsman on Apr 24, 2014 12:28:49 GMT
Who's this 1raytuper? He's getting on my tits. Coming on here with your smug answers.
Scholes' lap dog on a visit on here?
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Post by Fred Ferret on Apr 24, 2014 13:04:59 GMT
why dont all the pro football clubs extend their stadiums in preparation for when the supply will meet the demand?maybe they think that the home atmosphere would suffer because of too many empty seats.just a guess.doh
Why did we build a 28K stadium when we were getting 15K in the Championship?
Wasted question. He won't be able to think that one through. Ask him what forward planning means.
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 24, 2014 13:31:14 GMT
Off the top of my head:- Liverpool looking to expand Everton looking to expand / move Manchester City expanding Spurs looking to expand / move Cardiff expanding West Ham moving Arsenal moved. Sunderland moved Leicester moved Manchester Utd increased. Newcastle increased. Southampton moved. Is that enough?? read my post again and you might realise that i said all the PRO football clubs not all the PREM. this is too easy It's good to see that your common sense bypass operation was a complete success.
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Post by 1raytuper on Apr 24, 2014 13:37:35 GMT
read my post again and you might realise that i said all the PRO football clubs not all the PREM. this is too easy It's good to see that your common sense bypass operation was a complete success. you misunderstood my post duck,its not a crime,no need to stoop to insults
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 24, 2014 13:41:23 GMT
It's good to see that your common sense bypass operation was a complete success. you misunderstood my post duck,its not a crime,no need to stoop to insults It wasn't an insult, merely an observation
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Post by MadMarko10 on Apr 24, 2014 13:42:19 GMT
It's good to see that your common sense bypass operation was a complete success. you misunderstood my post duck,its not a crime, no need to stoop to insults He's just stooping to your level then, as shown last night, even on this thread What the fuck are you on about?? scroll back and you should fathom it out, prick there have been plenty of games this season where there has been hundreds of empty seats,filling in a corner is not the answer,do your maths you numpty. Granted, numpty is a soft one but still, the point stands.
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