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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 21:22:29 GMT
If people can't get seats together, how come every home match, there are always large blocks of empty seats? Check it out on Saturday. You won't just see odd empty seats, you'll see blocks of 10 or 20. Admittedly, some of the seats won't be the best, but if we're going to increase the capacity, I'm not sure we should do it for the sake of people who'll only come if they can get 10 or more seats together. They're hardly likely to be the most committed of supporters are they? And what if we hit a reasonably bad patch like last season and we lose 2000 supporters again? I just don't get the logic here.
In short, if we can't fill it now, we won't just magically fill it by making it bigger.
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Post by march4 on Apr 23, 2014 21:23:49 GMT
If people can't get seats together, how come every home match, there are always large blocks of empty seats? Check it out on Saturday. You won't just see odd empty seats, you'll see blocks of 10 or 20. Admittedly, some of the seats won't be the best, but if we're going to increase the capacity, I'm not sure we should do it for the sake of people who'll only come if they can get 10 or more seats together. They're hardly likely to be the most committed of supporters are they? And what if we hit a reasonably bad patch like last season and we lose 2000 supporters again? I just don't get the logic here. In short, if we can't fill it now, we won't just magically fill it by making it bigger. These are often tickets given/sold to an organisation by the club.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 21:29:11 GMT
If people can't get seats together, how come every home match, there are always large blocks of empty seats? Check it out on Saturday. You won't just see odd empty seats, you'll see blocks of 10 or 20. Admittedly, some of the seats won't be the best, but if we're going to increase the capacity, I'm not sure we should do it for the sake of people who'll only come if they can get 10 or more seats together. They're hardly likely to be the most committed of supporters are they? And what if we hit a reasonably bad patch like last season and we lose 2000 supporters again? I just don't get the logic here. In short, if we can't fill it now, we won't just magically fill it by making it bigger. These are often tickets given/sold to an organisation by the club. Not sure I get you March. If the seats are empty then either the organisation concerned haven't taken them up, or if they've not taken them up, then surely they'd be available for anyone to buy, and again, they've not been bought.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 23, 2014 21:49:53 GMT
Its still a waste of money. Brek Shea was a waste of money. Andrew Davies was a waste of money. Fatboy Gudjohnson was a waste of money. Expanding the ground is a chance to grow the fan base. At worst it will cost less than Brek Shea. Expanding a ground that doesn't get filled now is a waste of money, thankfully this is easier to see than a player that may or may not come good.
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Post by march4 on Apr 23, 2014 22:38:33 GMT
These are often tickets given/sold to an organisation by the club. Not sure I get you March. If the seats are empty then either the organisation concerned haven't taken them up, or if they've not taken them up, then surely they'd be available for anyone to buy, and again, they've not been bought. The club hand out the tickets (eg to a school) but the tickets aren't distributed by the organisation. As far as the club are concerned the tickets are sold/given away.
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Post by 1raytuper on Apr 23, 2014 22:45:38 GMT
Not sure I get you March. If the seats are empty then either the organisation concerned haven't taken them up, or if they've not taken them up, then surely they'd be available for anyone to buy, and again, they've not been bought. The club hand out the tickets (eg to a school) but the tickets aren't distributed by the organisation. As far as the club are concerned the tickets are sold/given away. are you being serious?that is your explanation for the empty seats ?
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Post by Eggybread on Apr 24, 2014 1:30:36 GMT
What are the costs involved to fill in one of the corners?
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Post by Northy on Apr 24, 2014 5:21:41 GMT
If people can't get seats together, how come every home match, there are always large blocks of empty seats? Check it out on Saturday. You won't just see odd empty seats, you'll see blocks of 10 or 20. Admittedly, some of the seats won't be the best, but if we're going to increase the capacity, I'm not sure we should do it for the sake of people who'll only come if they can get 10 or more seats together. They're hardly likely to be the most committed of supporters are they? And what if we hit a reasonably bad patch like last season and we lose 2000 supporters again? I just don't get the logic here. In short, if we can't fill it now, we won't just magically fill it by making it bigger. Nothing like that left for the fulham game, hardly any left with 2 together, only few together I saw are block 28, 35, 36 rows 1&2, which are poor seats especially if it rains. If my lad and his mates were younger I wouldn't take them seats, and leave it.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 24, 2014 6:10:42 GMT
It's an investment in the end. It's the only way well raise extra revenue for players.
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Post by timbo1988 on Apr 24, 2014 6:17:53 GMT
It's an investment in the end. It's the only way well raise extra revenue for players. The revenue it would raise is minimal and would never raise enough for new players! All the big revenue is tv income! Plus is there any point filling it in if we wouldn't sell out each week? We struggle to do that now!
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Post by alansuddick on Apr 24, 2014 6:24:06 GMT
The reason there is huge blocks of empty seats is because stadler and waldorf (the muppets in the ticket office ) ,will tell you theres no seats together before they can be arsed to have a look.have experienced this more than once!
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Post by keasie1863 on Apr 24, 2014 6:37:13 GMT
Fill it in, the ground looks dated and run down as well. "dated" prefer dated to empty. Â Thanks for that,enlightening comment.i will look to you,for future advice and direction.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 24, 2014 7:30:55 GMT
There is some seriously small minded people on this thread now.
I know people who wont go to the Britt because its so bloody cold on a winters day with the wind whipping through it.
The general matchday experience is awful at Stoke outside of what happens on the pitch
- Traffic jams coming and going - No decent pub for a pint before or after the game - Freezing cold for most of the season due to the open corners
Also people have fallen on hard times and cant afford to go every game. We need to be positive, invest some money, improve the all-round matchday (which is no where near as good as when it was at the Victoria Ground), and I bet an extra 2,000 to 3,000 supporters would return.
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Post by apb1 on Apr 24, 2014 7:39:25 GMT
As suggested, the income would be negligible compared to TV money. If it was made standing, and really cheap, it might be worth it if it attracted people who wouldn't normally be able to come. But if that just reduced the sale of season tickets or tickets elsewhere, it would be counter-productive. Needs some market research, done properly. I would entirely understand if there was no priority given to it at the moment - seems the emphasis is on steadying the financial ship ref player expenditure.
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Post by lordb on Apr 24, 2014 7:47:54 GMT
If match day prices were merely expensive as opposed to obscene I would be arguing for all 3 corners to be done. As it is just doing the scorboard corner is a no lose situation. It would cost less than Lee Cattermole & unlike a new player or two you don't have to pay 2000 seats wages. Worst case scenario is that you would have to givae away a few tickets (& viewing this in the most pessimistic sense surely talking in the hundreds here) however IF PRICED PROPERLEY it would be minimum 95% full for all prem games.
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Post by thebet365 on Apr 24, 2014 8:25:39 GMT
The club hand out the tickets (eg to a school) but the tickets aren't distributed by the organisation. As far as the club are concerned the tickets are sold/given away. are you being serious?that is your explanation for the empty seats ? He is correct, the blocks of empty seats are right at the front and are "reserved" for community projects/prizes/freebies. Besides, when you're being charged premium matchday prices you're not gonna be happy being sat in the rain at pitch level with a shit view. You certainly wouldn't be rushing back. Build the corner, make it unreserved seating and possibly cash turnstiles.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Apr 24, 2014 8:35:06 GMT
IF the club wants to progress on the field, hence reason for changing the manager, then the club will increase attendances.
Given the £75m or so due to be banked in a month's time - a £3m outlay on just one corner is a ridiculously small ambition.
We are supposed to be awaiting record S/T sales - aren't we. LMH is developing the team - When could this limited expansion be better timed?
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Post by 1raytuper on Apr 24, 2014 8:35:43 GMT
there is hundreds,sometimes over a thousand empty seats because the "supply" out strips the demand,and still some on ere think we should put more seats into the equation.you couldnt make it up.
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Post by thebet365 on Apr 24, 2014 8:42:41 GMT
there is hundreds,sometimes over a thousand empty seats because the "supply" out strips the demand,and still some on ere think we should put more seats into the equation.you couldnt make it up. And that is after losing some 2000 season ticket holders, what happens if they come back this year ?
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Post by Fred Ferret on Apr 24, 2014 8:45:00 GMT
there is hundreds,sometimes over a thousand empty seats because the "supply" out strips the demand,and still some on ere think we should put more seats into the equation.you couldnt make it up. Progression and ambition, 7th year in PL, improving squad, better football, increased S/T sales - did you manage to spot a trend somewhere in there? Add to that poor ground facilities and the simple issue of uncomfortable surroundings in poor weather. Or, is the answer (seemingly) Ostrich and Sand.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 24, 2014 8:48:08 GMT
www.soccerstats.com/attendance.asp?league=englandwe are at 94% attendance filling. Considering there is normally 500 - 750 away tickets never sold in most games that is pretty close to capacity. Adding 2,000 more seats WILL increase our average attendance, even if only for the big games when we sell-out. If we were so myopic why didnt we build the Britt to 16,000 capacity, which is what our average attendance was before we got promoted.
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Post by 1raytuper on Apr 24, 2014 8:50:12 GMT
there is hundreds,sometimes over a thousand empty seats because the "supply" out strips the demand,and still some on ere think we should put more seats into the equation.you couldnt make it up. And that is after losing some 2000 season ticket holders, what happens if they come back this year ? IF is a big word mate,IF they do come back we will have a full stadium for a lot of the season . happy days.
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Post by 1raytuper on Apr 24, 2014 8:53:26 GMT
there is hundreds,sometimes over a thousand empty seats because the "supply" out strips the demand,and still some on ere think we should put more seats into the equation.you couldnt make it up. Progression and ambition, 7th year in PL, improving squad, better football, increased S/T sales - did you manage to spot a trend somewhere in there? Add to that poor ground facilities and the simple issue of uncomfortable surroundings in poor weather. Or, is the answer (seemingly) Ostrich and Sand. may i suggest you take ur head out of the sand,look up and you will see empty seats in our stadium,fill the corners in and guess what ?
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 24, 2014 9:23:15 GMT
The point we seem to miss is the quality of the "available" seats. They are invariably low down and at the front exposed to the weather and they cost the same as the "better seats". As already mentioned those intending to go in a group struggle to get seats together. If there were more "better quality" seats available I'm confident that more would attend. When there are some many other place where people can spend their hard earned the club needs to be more proactive in attracting customers. There is very little "choice" on offer as the club seems to be adopting a take it or leave approach and football cost a lot these days and people wont shell out a lot for a poor view of a game.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Apr 24, 2014 9:32:18 GMT
The point we seem to miss is the quality of the "available" seats. They are invariably low down and at the front exposed to the weather and they cost the same as the "better seats". As already mentioned those intending to go in a group struggle to get seats together. If there were more "better quality" seats available I'm confident that more would attend. When there are some many other place where people can spend their hard earned the club needs to be more proactive in attracting customers. There is very little "choice" on offer as the club seems to be adopting a take it or leave approach and football cost a lot these days and people wont shell out a lot for a poor view of a game. Quite - some on hear just don't seem to understand that is one of the issues.
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Post by 1raytuper on Apr 24, 2014 9:35:39 GMT
The point we seem to miss is the quality of the "available" seats. They are invariably low down and at the front exposed to the weather and they cost the same as the "better seats". As already mentioned those intending to go in a group struggle to get seats together. If there were more "better quality" seats available I'm confident that more would attend. When there are some many other place where people can spend their hard earned the club needs to be more proactive in attracting customers. There is very little "choice" on offer as the club seems to be adopting a take it or leave approach and football cost a lot these days and people wont shell out a lot for a poor view of a game. yeah,,because you never see empty seats when the sun is shining
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Post by Fred Ferret on Apr 24, 2014 9:40:24 GMT
The point we seem to miss is the quality of the "available" seats. They are invariably low down and at the front exposed to the weather and they cost the same as the "better seats". As already mentioned those intending to go in a group struggle to get seats together. If there were more "better quality" seats available I'm confident that more would attend. When there are some many other place where people can spend their hard earned the club needs to be more proactive in attracting customers. There is very little "choice" on offer as the club seems to be adopting a take it or leave approach and football cost a lot these days and people wont shell out a lot for a poor view of a game. yeah,,because you never see empty seats when the sun is shining Because the success/appeal of products, services and entertainment is directly related to quality of experience. Head and sand!
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 24, 2014 9:49:41 GMT
yeah,,because you never see empty seats when the sun is shining Because the success/appeal of products, services and entertainment is directly related to quality of experience. Head and sand! I'm glad you got the point NC, as I tried to point out, these days simply getting a seat isn't enough.
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Post by ladyinred on Apr 24, 2014 9:51:13 GMT
I noticed that Cardiff are adding an extra tier to one of their stands. The CCS already has a slightly higher capacity than the Brit - and doesn't sell out.
The games where we have gotten the bigger crowds this season have been when 'offers' have been put on - normally against teams with the smaller away allocation. An extra corner, and creative marketing would allow such offers to be made available for some of the more attractive games.
The only way to build the fan base - is to get people going to the match, and hope that they enjoy it enough to come back. A February midweek game against Swansea is less likely to achieve this than a Saturday afternoon against one of the big boys.
As mentioned before - gate receipts is a relatively small element of the clubs revenue - so making cheaper matchday tickets available isn't much of a cost to the club - but growing the fan base can only be a positive step towards self sufficiency.
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Post by thebet365 on Apr 24, 2014 9:54:57 GMT
Because the success/appeal of products, services and entertainment is directly related to quality of experience. Head and sand! I'm glad you got the point NC, as I tried to point out, these days simply getting a seat isn't enough. It's impossible to get through to some people. Because there's an empty seat they don't see the demand. For eg, Liverpool, Haven't sold out all season, yet are looking to increase capacity from 45,000 to 59,000 We're currently 16th for stadium capacity. If we wanna compete long term we have to increase that.
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