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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:27:23 GMT
I hope someone not too numb at the club gets to read this
I got rung up by P&g yesterday (post match) and even though I told them (honestly) I hadnt actually seen the full game online, they still wanted me on
(must be desperate for the odd coherent thought)
made similar points to what I had made on here recently about what I wanted from the club -this summer
I re-iterated Progress on and off the pitch ! - that club had the money -the support and the direction - so filling in the corner (planning consent already got) was a real and absolute 'no brainer'
just said - 'stop messing about - get it done'
along with, reminding all who listen that:- the club (Tony Scholes too hopefully) has now got plenty of money to do both this AND sign players in the summer
If we dont move to club to a 30,000 seater stadium right now
we are stuck - progress wise - and we never will
We need to send a clear message RIGHT NOW - we intend to grow - not content to stand still -to be the biggest club in the area and, tip for cups and European football as a matter of routine.
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Post by AlanHansen on Apr 20, 2014 12:30:07 GMT
I agree, get it filled in and let's stop pissing about. He who dares wins.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:30:43 GMT
Shouldn't we make sure we can fill the seats we've got first?
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Post by Plave on Apr 20, 2014 12:31:20 GMT
The planning permission expires this summer and can never be regained then? The time to do it is when our business proven billionaire owners with all the insight of the clubs finances and position know that it is right to do so. Not because of some randoms ranting on the internet (oh but someone rang me up and wanted my opinion ).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:32:27 GMT
I hope someone not too numb at the club gets to read this I got rung up by P&g yesterday (post match) and even though I told them (honestly) I hadnt actually seen the full game online, they still wanted me on (must be desperate for the odd coherent thought) made similar points to what I had made on here recently about what I wanted from the club -this summer I re-iterated Progress on and off the pitch ! - that club had the money -the support and the direction - so filling in the corner (planning consent already got) was a real and absolute 'no brainer' just said - 'stop messing about - get it done' along with, reminding all who listen that:- the club (Tony Scholes too hopefully) has now got plenty of money to do both this AND sign players in the summer If we dont move to club to a 30,000 seater stadium right now we are stuck - progress wise - and we never will We need to send a clear message RIGHT NOW - we intend to grow - not content to stand still -to be the biggest club in the area and, tip for cups and European football as a matter of routine. Yes....and make sure the new seats are heated with complimentary knitted 'bob-hats' on each one. Sort it out Scholesy. Think of the pensioners. mumf
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:34:01 GMT
I hope someone not too numb at the club gets to read this I got rung up by P&g yesterday (post match) and even though I told them (honestly) I hadnt actually seen the full game online, they still wanted me on (must be desperate for the odd coherent thought) made similar points to what I had made on here recently about what I wanted from the club -this summer I re-iterated Progress on and off the pitch ! - that club had the money -the support and the direction - so filling in the corner (planning consent already got) was a real and absolute 'no brainer' just said - 'stop messing about - get it done' along with, reminding all who listen that:- the club (Tony Scholes too hopefully) has now got plenty of money to do both this AND sign players in the summer If we dont move to club to a 30,000 seater stadium right now we are stuck - progress wise - and we never will We need to send a clear message RIGHT NOW - we intend to grow - not content to stand still -to be the biggest club in the area and, tip for cups and European football as a matter of routine. "Must be desperate for the odd coherent thought" Did they get the wrong number then when they rang you?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:34:51 GMT
WRONG WRONG WRONG
THE CLUBS AT 90% + CAPACITY ALREADY
casuals cant hardly get tickets seated together on the day
22,000 season tickets likely by the summer + 3000 away fans (usually) leaves 2-3000 tickets available on the day ONLY
WHICH IS NOT ENOUGH
(FFS !!!I despair at how people try to debate this - its just so bleeding obvious)
Stoke City 'moving forward' or - 'how do dither whilst procrastinating'
(there will never be a better time)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:36:11 GMT
Yep - definitely rung the wrong person - I will freely admit
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Post by AlanHansen on Apr 20, 2014 12:36:44 GMT
Shouldn't we make sure we can fill the seats we've got first? Season ticket sales are up, possibly our best ever sales and the club is on the front foot generally. We can sell tickets for the lesser games with a bit of marketing and effort. It's as if the club can't be arsed to put the work in to fill the extra seats week in week out. Show some ambition for once.
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 20, 2014 12:38:11 GMT
Shouldn't we make sure we can fill the seats we've got first? If we'd taken that attitude in 1997 the Brit would only hold about 16,000. To continue to compete at the top level we need a stadium that can hold 30,000 like the majority of our rivals.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:38:32 GMT
WRONG WRONG WRONG THE CLUBS AT 90% + CAPACITY ALREADY casuals cant hardly get tickets seated together on the day 22,000 season tickets likely by the summer + 3000 away fans (usually) leaves 2-3000 tickets available on the day ONLY WHICH IS NOT ENOUGH (FFS !!!I despair at how people try to debate this - its just so bleeding obvious) Stoke City 'moving forward' or - 'how do dither whilst procrastinating' (there will never be a better time) I despair at how you act like the sage despite being wrong about virtually everything. It's been easy for neutrals to get tickets for most of the season. We're only just bouncing back from a significant drop in season ticket sales last season. We need a significant amount of money to be ploughed into the team to build on a very good season. I'm no economist, but I'm pretty sure new fans don't flock to a ground just because it's bigger.
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Post by werrington on Apr 20, 2014 12:39:17 GMT
The planning permission expires this summer and can never be regained then? The time to do it is when our business proven billionaire owners with all the insight of the clubs finances and position know that it is right to do so. Not because of some randoms ranting on the internet (oh but someone rang me up and wanted my opinion ). Another 4 years on the planning permission ?
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 20, 2014 12:39:46 GMT
The problem is we have already shown that when the going gets tough the mard arses fuck off so what's the point?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:39:54 GMT
Coming from little old Stoke, I'm just glad we've got a Stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:40:16 GMT
Shouldn't we make sure we can fill the seats we've got first? If we'd taken that attitude in 1997 the Brit would only hold about 16,000. To continue to compete at the top level we need a stadium that can hold 30,000 like the majority of our rivals. Not really, as the capacity of the Vic wasn't 16,000 was it? There's a right time to expand and I'm not convinced at all it's now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:43:38 GMT
Derby County have a 30k plus stadium and might be joining us
Apart from our ground looking rather odd on a world stage too
-for at least half a dozen of the nineteen home games i.e. the 'bigger games' 30k is an easy fill (away end takes 5000 away supporters for starters -just ticket it sensibly - for lessor games you then price ticketing accordingly.
(and who argues that premier league football could not be made a bit more affordable ? )
the club is awash with money and can readily afford this
its not only affordable
IT IS NOW OVERDUE.
why cant people understand this ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:43:45 GMT
The problem is we have already shown that when the going gets tough the mard arses fuck off so what's the point? There is a massive difference between tough times and watching mind numbingly boring hit and hope hoofball you know mate.
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 20, 2014 12:45:47 GMT
Us poor stokies would only get confused if they filled the corners in.
We don't like change.
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 20, 2014 12:46:17 GMT
If we'd taken that attitude in 1997 the Brit would only hold about 16,000. To continue to compete at the top level we need a stadium that can hold 30,000 like the majority of our rivals. Not really, as the capacity of the Vic wasn't 16,000 was it? There's a right time to expand and I'm not convinced at all it's now. But we were only filling about 13,000 seats at the Vic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:47:17 GMT
Derby County have a 30k plus stadium and might be joining us Apart from our ground looking rather odd on a world stage too -for at least half a dozen of the nineteen home games i.e. the 'bigger games' 30k is an easy fill (away end takes 5000 away supporters for starters -just ticket it sensibly - for lessor games you then price ticketing accordingly. (and who argues that premier league football could not be made a bit more affordable ? ) the club is awash with money and can readily afford this its not only affordable IT IS NOW OVERDUE. why cant people understand this ? It's because you say things like 'the club is awash with money' when it's more complicated than that and make unhelpful comparisons such as that with one-club town Derby County.
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Post by nononsense on Apr 20, 2014 12:47:47 GMT
Shouldn't we make sure we can fill the seats we've got first? Shouldn't we make sure ? how on earth does one "make sure" of such a thing ?? We need to fill it in we need to many other things to make the Brit look more like a big boy stadium.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 20, 2014 12:48:39 GMT
Derby County have a 30k plus stadium and might be joining us Apart from our ground looking rather odd on a world stage too -for at least half a dozen of the nineteen home games i.e. the 'bigger games' 30k is an easy fill (away end takes 5000 away supporters for starters -just ticket it sensibly - for lessor games you then price ticketing accordingly. (and who argues that premier league football could not be made a bit more affordable ? ) the club is awash with money and can readily afford this its not only affordable IT IS NOW OVERDUE. why cant people understand this ?
People were laughing at you when you came out with this one last night.
We have the highest wage bill in comparison to turnover of any club in the Prem - 90%, which is way too high and completely unsustainable and last season we posted a £30 million loss!
Coates is determined to (massively) reduce our spending and is in the process of doing so because - the club is NOT awash with money.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:49:40 GMT
Not really, as the capacity of the Vic wasn't 16,000 was it? There's a right time to expand and I'm not convinced at all it's now. But we were only filling about 13,000 seats at the Vic. I think there was a debate as to whether we really needed to move at the time. Is it really the best use of our resources to add more seats at a time when investment is needed elsewhere and there's a very good chance we won't come close to filling them? Is that not putting the horse before the cart? Let's build a good team and put a few more sustainable foundations in place first and then by all means let's go for it.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 20, 2014 12:50:25 GMT
I hope someone not too numb at the club gets to read this I got rung up by P&g yesterday (post match) and even though I told them (honestly) I hadnt actually seen the full game online, they still wanted me on (must be desperate for the odd coherent thought) made similar points to what I had made on here recently about what I wanted from the club -this summer I re-iterated Progress on and off the pitch ! - that club had the money -the support and the direction - so filling in the corner (planning consent already got) was a real and absolute 'no brainer' just said - 'stop messing about - get it done' along with, reminding all who listen that:- the club (Tony Scholes too hopefully) has now got plenty of money to do both this AND sign players in the summer If we dont move to club to a 30,000 seater stadium right now we are stuck - progress wise - and we never will We need to send a clear message RIGHT NOW - we intend to grow - not content to stand still -to be the biggest club in the area and, tip for cups and European football as a matter of routine. "Must be desperate for the odd coherent thought" Did they get the wrong number then when they rang you? They couldn't get one and settled for rambling, blow with the wind inconsistent thinking!
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Post by prettything on Apr 20, 2014 12:53:24 GMT
The club are in a better position than anyone to evaluate demand, better than anyone. We have had the worst demand for season tickets since coming up this season.
They clearly want to. It's not a matter making the stadium symmetrical or using the adage, 'if we build it, they will come'.
We need the seats filled or risk losing the atmosphere and the wind advantage.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:55:09 GMT
It's a piece of piss to fill the seats, create a problem to solve a problem.
There are so many incentives you could run, if you needed to, you could fill 30,000 week in and out easily.
And we might start to look like we have a half-finished ground.
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Post by Stoke-on-Toronto on Apr 20, 2014 12:56:39 GMT
fill the corners and look like every other stadiums in the league. will they even be able to sell the seats? are you selling out on a regular basis? there sure have been a noticable amount of empty seats this season. some games have looked a bit embarrassing.... and you want to add more?
Spend the money on players.
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 20, 2014 12:58:06 GMT
But we were only filling about 13,000 seats at the Vic. I think there was a debate as to whether we really needed to move at the time. Is it really the best use of our resources to add more seats at a time when investment is needed elsewhere and there's a very good chance we won't come close to filling them? Is that not putting the horse before the cart? Let's build a good team and put a few more sustainable foundations in place first and then by all means let's go for it. How can we increase turnover without increasing the stadium? What other "sustainable foundations" should we be investing in? We missed a great opportunity to expand after the cup final. I think the current excitement about the team is another decent time to show some ambition and to attract new custom.
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Post by sportsman on Apr 20, 2014 12:58:24 GMT
When the opposition only take up the smaller allocation we don't have a problem getting rid of tickets for a fiver or whatever.
Just fill the corner in and in the lesser games get the fiver going or kids for a quid or something to try build the fan base.
You can't stand still they say.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:59:01 GMT
The club are in a better position than anyone to evaluate demand, better than anyone. We have had the worst demand for season tickets since coming up this season. They clearly want to. It's not a matter making the stadium symmetrical or using the adage, 'if we build it, they will come'. We need the seats filled or risk losing the atmosphere and the wind advantage. That last sentence is absolute bollocks
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