openg
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Post by openg on Apr 20, 2014 11:36:15 GMT
Was it also racist to call the lovely Welsh people sheep shaggers etc. I'm not sure the Welsh are a race mate. Races are Caucasian (white), Mongoloid ( Japanese, Chinese Korean etc), Asian ( Indian, Pakistani etc), Arab, Negroid (black). Welsh, Irish, English, Swedes, Germans etc are, for the most part all members of the Caucasian race.... but you can also have a Welshman who's a Negroid, a German who's a Mongoloid etc Indian, Pakistani, arabs etc are all Caucasian, the clue is in the name, which is a hybrid of caucasses and asian. White people - or more specifically those with blue or green eyes and blond hair through childhood - are referred to as Depigmented Caucasians. The lack of melanin in depigmented caucasians was selected by evolution in the far northern hemispere as it maximised vitamin D intake, which we obtain from sunlight. Did yu know there are four races within Africa alone? Koisan, Negroid, Pygmy and Caucasian (the pigmented kind). Thats about the same as the whole rest of the world.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 20, 2014 11:41:39 GMT
I'm not sure the Welsh are a race mate. Races are Caucasian (white), Mongoloid ( Japanese, Chinese Korean etc), Asian ( Indian, Pakistani etc), Arab, Negroid (black). Welsh, Irish, English, Swedes, Germans etc are, for the most part all members of the Caucasian race.... but you can also have a Welshman who's a Negroid, a German who's a Mongoloid etc Agreed. Calling the Welsh sheep shaggers is xenophobic not racist. So that's ok then .
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 20, 2014 11:46:48 GMT
Agreed. Calling the Welsh sheep shaggers is xenophobic not racist. So that's ok then . Not by my way of thinking, no. In practical terms, xenophobia and racism are two sides of the same coin.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 11:56:29 GMT
I'd get in touch with the club, tell them you are not renewing your season ticket, use the money to get Sky and watch the games in peace without anyone upsetting you and causing you so much stress.... Or, alternatively, Man up a little and just ignore it...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 11:59:12 GMT
I'd get in touch with the club, tell them you are not renewing your season ticket, use the money to get Sky and watch the games in peace without anyone upsetting you and causing you so much stress.... Or, alternatively, Man up a little and just ignore it... Hope you've got yer tin hat at the ready
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:00:19 GMT
I'd get in touch with the club, tell them you are not renewing your season ticket, use the money to get Sky and watch the games in peace without anyone upsetting you and causing you so much stress.... Or, alternatively, Man up a little and just ignore it... Or maybe we could, you know, try and get rid of racists at football grounds. Or is that not manly enough for you?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:03:11 GMT
I'd get in touch with the club, tell them you are not renewing your season ticket, use the money to get Sky and watch the games in peace without anyone upsetting you and causing you so much stress.... Or, alternatively, Man up a little and just ignore it... Hope you've got yer tin hat at the ready Already on mate.... Pisses me off..People bleating about others behaviour in PUBLIC, whether you agree or not with what they are saying...Imagine if any Stoke fan was barred for Racist Comments, Swearing, Sexist Comments, Standing up, etc etc etc...Then there would be an awful lot of empty seats... Some have already said Sheep Shaggers and the IRA No Surrender songs are not deemed racist...but they are really...Man up...get on with it...or stay home...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:04:50 GMT
Hope you've got yer tin hat at the ready Already on mate.... Pisses me off..People bleating about others behaviour in PUBLIC, whether you agree or not with what they are saying...Imagine if any Stoke fan was barred for Racist Comments, Swearing, Sexist Comments, Standing up, etc etc etc...Then there would be an awful lot of empty seats... Some have already said Sheep Shaggers and the IRA No Surrender songs are not deemed racist...but they are really...Man up...get on with it...or stay home... Are you equating racism with swearing and standing up?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:07:15 GMT
All antisocial behaviour, and all not allowed in a footy stadium.... Just seems mega trendy these days for people to jump on the " I hate racists" banwagon, rightly or wrongly it is a part of society and will never ever go away...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:08:42 GMT
All antisocial behaviour, and all not allowed in a footy stadium.... Just seems mega trendy these days for people to jump on the " I hate racists" banwagon, rightly or wrongly it is a part of society and will never ever go away... 'Rightly or wrongly'? 'Trendy'? Are you saying we shouldn't try? Fuck me this is depressing. I'll leave it there I think mate.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 20, 2014 12:10:48 GMT
Hope you've got yer tin hat at the ready Already on mate.... Pisses me off..People bleating about others behaviour in PUBLIC, whether you agree or not with what they are saying...Imagine if any Stoke fan was barred for Racist Comments, Swearing, Sexist Comments, Standing up, etc etc etc...Then there would be an awful lot of empty seats... Some have already said Sheep Shaggers and the IRA No Surrender songs are not deemed racist...but they are really...Man up...get on with it...or stay home... Sorry to disappoint you - I look forward to the day when EVERY football fan uttering racist comments at a game gets a ban if convicted in court. Racism has no place at a football match or in any public place. It is a crime - as it should be. You'd think that, 21 years after the Stephen Lawrence murder, that it would have sunk into even the dimmest individual that racism is wrong. Educating the racists appears to have failed so punishing them seems to be the only valid option we have left.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:11:52 GMT
Hope you've got yer tin hat at the ready Already on mate.... Pisses me off..People bleating about others behaviour in PUBLIC, whether you agree or not with what they are saying...Imagine if any Stoke fan was barred for Racist Comments, Swearing, Sexist Comments, Standing up, etc etc etc...Then there would be an awful lot of empty seats... Some have already said Sheep Shaggers and the IRA No Surrender songs are not deemed racist...but they are really...Man up...get on with it...or stay home... I can see where you're coming from but Racism on that kind of scale isn't exactly acceptable these days. Personally I think the OP shouldn't be taking it any further now because I'm of the opinion that if something bothers or offends you that much then you should act at the time or not at all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:12:20 GMT
Maybe it says more about me and a lot of my generation when you could call a "Spade a Spade", and yes...No pun intended, it is a well known saying, without all the bleeding hearts lilly livered yoghurt knitters jumping down your throat. And for the record I am not Racist, I have a Thai wife and a beautiful Thai/English baby boy...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:15:28 GMT
Sick and tired of reading arguments on about queers and racism. Lets stick to the fucking football instead. We all agree Wengers a French Bastuurd..........
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 20, 2014 12:16:40 GMT
imo there are a handful of abnormally vile and proud racists amongst us and they are happy to give our support a bad name - humoured/ tolerated for their loyalty
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Post by bassmaster on Apr 20, 2014 12:17:44 GMT
Hope you've got yer tin hat at the ready Already on mate.... Pisses me off..People bleating about others behaviour in PUBLIC, whether you agree or not with what they are saying...Imagine if any Stoke fan was barred for Racist Comments, Swearing, Sexist Comments, Standing up, etc etc etc...Then there would be an awful lot of empty seats... Some have already said Sheep Shaggers and the IRA No Surrender songs are not deemed racist...but they are really...Man up...get on with it...or stay home... I'm unsure what 'manning up' is. Is it a homosexual act that you are advocating? Also, what about women at the games, are they to 'man up'? If so, how?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 12:17:49 GMT
Sick and tired of reading arguments on about queers and racism. Lets stick to the fucking football instead. We all agree Wengers a French Bastuurd.......... ROFL... Now that is funny....
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Post by nsd on Apr 20, 2014 12:29:25 GMT
To those asking why I didn't say something to him - I did.
To those saying I should 'man up'/stop going to games/get on with it - fuck off.
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Post by redwhite on Apr 20, 2014 12:32:19 GMT
Hope you've got yer tin hat at the ready Already on mate.... Pisses me off..People bleating about others behaviour in PUBLIC, whether you agree or not with what they are saying...Imagine if any Stoke fan was barred for Racist Comments, Swearing, Sexist Comments, Standing up, etc etc etc...Then there would be an awful lot of empty seats... Some have already said Sheep Shaggers and the IRA No Surrender songs are not deemed racist...but they are really...Man up...get on with it...or stay home... So you're suggesting, instead of seeing empty seats which were once occupied by racists and homophones, we should see empty seats which were once occupied by people who 'weren't manly enough' to accept racism or homophobia. Amazing.
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Post by petershiltonsmini on Apr 20, 2014 12:33:36 GMT
To those asking why I didn't say something to him - I did. To those saying I should 'man up'/stop going to games/get on with it - fuck off. Well done new school you did the right thing. Shanghai do you live in China? The Chinese are some if the most racist people you can meet thinking anyone other than themselves are underdeveloped and primitive.
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Post by daibando on Apr 20, 2014 12:48:50 GMT
Who do I get in touch with at the club about racist/homophobic abuse? There was a man behind me who had some very choice words about Zaha. Good for you that you want to do something about it. You can phone the club (both Stoke and Cardiff) but you can also phone the South Wales Police, I would imagine. Nothing to lose. Try to gather some decent people who also heard it and would be willing to report it as well. Don't worry about some of the ignorant posters on here. You do the right thing simply because it is the right thing...you don't do it to be liked. Anyway, the vast majority of the public would be as sickened as you about it. As for confronting the person, that's not an issue. If someone can spout racist poison then they probably wouldn't think twice about physically turning on you. Good luck.
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Post by Gods on Apr 20, 2014 14:46:16 GMT
And for the record I am not Racist, I have a Thai wife and a beautiful Thai/English baby boy... Fair play to you, here is something to consider then...if a complete stranger were to stand there screaming at them whatever is the Thai equivalent term of abuse for coon and nigger and spear chucker when you were not there would you hope someone would intervene or instead do what you consider to be the "manly" thing and just laugh along with it all?
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Post by jeycov on Apr 20, 2014 14:50:42 GMT
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Post by stokeramblers on Apr 20, 2014 15:51:55 GMT
Already on mate.... Pisses me off..People bleating about others behaviour in PUBLIC, whether you agree or not with what they are saying...Imagine if any Stoke fan was barred for Racist Comments, Swearing, Sexist Comments, Standing up, etc etc etc...Then there would be an awful lot of empty seats... Some have already said Sheep Shaggers and the IRA No Surrender songs are not deemed racist...but they are really...Man up...get on with it...or stay home... I can see where you're coming from but Racism on that kind of scale isn't exactly acceptable these days. Personally I think the OP shouldn't be taking it any further now because I'm of the opinion that if something bothers or offends you that much then you should act at the time or not at all. But surely you run the risk of getting your head kicked in acting on it at the time...?
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Post by jeycov on Apr 20, 2014 16:01:55 GMT
If you take a look at the kick it out website - there is a contact point to report abuse without having to confront an individual
The system can be open to misuse but I would hope that comments are followed up correctly.
There is a also link to raising such issues in the safety notice details on the contents page of all of our home programmes and indeed in all programmes
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 16:24:22 GMT
I can see where you're coming from but Racism on that kind of scale isn't exactly acceptable these days. Personally I think the OP shouldn't be taking it any further now because I'm of the opinion that if something bothers or offends you that much then you should act at the time or not at all. But surely you run the risk of getting your head kicked in acting on it at the time...? Dunno,but if someone is doing or saying something that is affecting you to the point where you feel the need to act then surely the time to do this is there and then? The OP has stated now though that he did do something at the time and did have words with the offender which in my opinion should be enough now. I know the person shouting the abuse was out of order and we could well do without that kind of shit coming from our own fans but something doesn't quite sit right with me about him being reported to the authorities.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 16:29:06 GMT
But surely you run the risk of getting your head kicked in acting on it at the time...? Dunno,but if someone is doing or saying something that is affecting you to the point where you feel the need to act then surely the time to do this is there and then? The OP has stated now though that he did do something at the time and did have words with the offender which in my opinion should be enough now. I know the person shouting the abuse was out of order and we could well do without that kind of shit coming from our own fans but something doesn't quite sit right with me about him being reported to the authorities. Why? Isn't that more likely to have an impact than fisticuffs?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 20, 2014 16:38:40 GMT
But surely you run the risk of getting your head kicked in acting on it at the time...? Dunno,but if someone is doing or saying something that is affecting you to the point where you feel the need to act then surely the time to do this is there and then? The OP has stated now though that he did do something at the time and did have words with the offender which in my opinion should be enough now. I know the person shouting the abuse was out of order and we could well do without that kind of shit coming from our own fans but something doesn't quite sit right with me about him being reported to the authorities. The bloke shouting the racist abuse broke the bloody law. Fair enough to speak to him at the time - if the Op felt safe to do so. But unless he apologises and stops immediately why on earth shouldn't he be reported to the authorities? Do Stokie racists have some special dispensation to escape without the law getting involved? Or is it just when the abuse relates to non Stoke players that there is some special rule to be applied?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 16:40:36 GMT
Dunno,but if someone is doing or saying something that is affecting you to the point where you feel the need to act then surely the time to do this is there and then? The OP has stated now though that he did do something at the time and did have words with the offender which in my opinion should be enough now. I know the person shouting the abuse was out of order and we could well do without that kind of shit coming from our own fans but something doesn't quite sit right with me about him being reported to the authorities. Why? Isn't that more likely to have an impact than fisticuffs? I'm not advocating fisticuffs though Rob. I'm assuming that yesterday's incident didn't come to blows and the OP has stated that he said something to the perpetrator which in my opinion is enough. Reporting the incident probably will have more impact but it's not my style to go that extra yard to get the offender banned or dragged through the courts for things he has said at a football match however offensive people may have found it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 16:46:48 GMT
Why? Isn't that more likely to have an impact than fisticuffs? I'm not advocating fisticuffs though Rob. I'm assuming that yesterday's incident didn't come to blows and the OP has stated that he said something to the perpetrator which in my opinion is enough. Reporting the incident probably will have more impact but it's not my style to go that extra yard to get the offender banned or dragged through the courts for things he has said at a football match however offensive people may have found it. I just think it's the easiest thing in the world not to use racist language Sid and anyone doing it can't have too many complaints about what happens to them. Anyone who does turn it into a confrontation risks things turning nasty, which even if you can handle yourself might put innocent people at risk of getting hurt and will generally only result in negative consequences for all involved. Just my opinion like.
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