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Post by stokecity4eva on Apr 23, 2014 17:57:33 GMT
The questions were asked re the concourse, not at one meeting, but two and we were told that these comments were being dealt with by the health and safety team. As I said, I'll bring up every point on this thread on Saturday. Ange, Any possibility you could bring up whether the club are looking into the possibility of streaming U18 and U21 games next season like teams such as derby do and to an extent liverpool, chelsea and man utd do on there tv channels. I should imagine it would be pretty easy for them and shouldnt cost that much as surely the club already have the games filmed so the players can watch them back after the game and they also own a youtube channel which they could put the matches on. I'm sure they would get plenty of viewers and would enable fans to check on our stars of the future
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Post by OldStokie on Apr 23, 2014 18:05:47 GMT
I said I wouldn't... but I will. For a start, the word is 'effective' and not affective, GD. I did not ask the SC for assistance, and I'm sure that if I had, then somebody would have brought the matter up. So, except for Scholes's comments that the SC shouldn't be swayed (or words to that affect) by what they read on here, the matter of me bring up my problems a while back on here is a non-starter for me apart from his arrogance when it comes to what 'supporters' post on here having a negative tint. (Does any complaint not have a negative tint to someone, depending which side of the fence they're on?) So I have no problesm with SCWIM or SC on that count. Part of the reason my problem was not solved was because I took the attitude of 'Fuck 'em, they don't deserve my suport any more.' I was being my normal Bolshie self as usual. However, if my problem is sorted in the future for others who find themselves in my position, then at least some good will have come out of my Bolshie attitude. I just happen to be one of those folk who don't bow to nobody, so no way would I be writing fucking letters to some jobsworth who dreamed up the situation I found myself in, in the first place. Fuck you!!! Now onto the matter of SC. Like the FF before it, it will be used by the club as a shield to do what THEY want. It's happened in these minutes. Take for instance the Minute: - Disability No major issues from MM. The only concern was the sale of shirts online can't take up offer if disabled, advised that JWV will follow this up. Have you ever read such bullshit? Forget my tiny problem, what about the vision problems for the poor buggers in wheelchairs? For years they haven't been able to see when supporters (naturally) stand up in front of them when something exciting is going on. How could they improve this situation? Well, instead of filling in the corners for those who want to stand up, why not spend the few million extra quid they're going to get this season for finishing 'up there' on a proper facility for them? I'll bet that wasn't mooted! Why not? Are disabled fans in wheelchairs 'dispensible in the greater scheme of things?' Of course they are! A fucking flag to appease the 'masses' is more important. Oh, and where the fuck is Pottermiss? All smoke and mirrors unless you're a disabled person in a wheelchair who can't see half the game and who would gladly queue (probably doing a jig while they were at it) for a fucking burnt pie without the slightest moan if they had the chance. It's all about perspective, and it really is easy to slip into the mistaken idea that 'your' problem is a major one. Mind you, those fucking TV screens facing the exit from the stadium are a pain in the arse! I wonder which bright spark dreamt up the idea to locate them there? Lots of fans desperate to get out for a fag are stopped by those ignorant buggers who want to see what's going on on Sky? That's all for now. OS.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 23, 2014 18:23:38 GMT
Scholes is a jumped up prick who has managed to blag his way into a job he has no qualifications to justify him upholding, has no respect for the real people that matter at the club (i.e. the supporters) and sees no issue with treating them with disrespect and contempt at every turn. he is seemingly happy to lie and misinterpret what has been said by supporters regarding club decisions in order to deflect any kind of blame, culpability or responsibility from himself and the position he finds himself in. St. Peter is a diehard fan of the club and the team and does not deserve people like Denise and her hangers on coming in and ruining the club he loves as much as the rest of us do by carrying out actions that are little to do with the good of the club and far more to do with their own commercial interests. the sooner he fucks off into a corner and shrivels up like the weasly, cowardly spunkbag that he is, the better. That is all. I am sure Uncle Peter would not employ someone who you call a jumped up prick unless he know`s what he is doing. I think the majority of fans are more than happy in the way the club seems to be run and the direction we are going in. They don`t get everything right,who does? But they seem to improve year on year. You could always get Moxey back I suppose. I thought this was irony!?!
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Post by leicspotter on Apr 23, 2014 18:32:57 GMT
Justice for the marmalade one! Seriously Mick, this whole situation is a disgrace...but sadly not such a surprise Hope it gets sorted LP
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 23, 2014 18:48:46 GMT
I said I wouldn't... but I will. For a start, the word is 'effective' and not affective, GD. I did not ask the SC for assistance, and I'm sure that if I had, then somebody would have brought the matter up. So, except for Scholes's comments that the SC shouldn't be swayed (or words to that affect) by what they read on here, the matter of me bring up my problems a while back on here is a non-starter for me apart from his arrogance when it comes to what 'supporters' post on here having a negative tint. (Does any complaint not have a negative tint to someone, depending which side of the fence they're on?) So I have no problesm with SCWIM or SC on that count. Part of the reason my problem was not solved was because I took the attitude of 'Fuck 'em, they don't deserve my suport any more.' I was being my normal Bolshie self as usual. However, if my problem is sorted in the future for others who find themselves in my position, then at least some good will have come out of my Bolshie attitude. I just happen to be one of those folk who don't bow to nobody, so no way would I be writing fucking letters to some jobsworth who dreamed up the situation I found myself in, in the first place. Fuck you!!! Now onto the matter of SC. Like the FF before it, it will be used by the club as a shield to do what THEY want. It's happened in these minutes. Take for instance the Minute: - Disability No major issues from MM. The only concern was the sale of shirts online can't take up offer if disabled, advised that JWV will follow this up. Have you ever read such bullshit? Forget my tiny problem, what about the vision problems for the poor buggers in wheelchairs? For years they haven't been able to see when supporters (naturally) stand up in front of them when something exciting is going on. How could they improve this situation? Well, instead of filling in the corners for those who want to stand up, why not spend the few million extra quid they're going to get this season for finishing 'up there' on a proper facility for them? I'll bet that wasn't mooted! Why not? Are disabled fans in wheelchairs 'dispensible in the greater scheme of things?' Of course they are! A fucking flag to appease the 'masses' is more important. Oh, and where the fuck is Pottermiss? All smoke and mirrors unless you're a disabled person in a wheelchair who can't see half the game and who would gladly queue (probably doing a jig while they were at it) for a fucking burnt pie without the slightest moan if they had the chance. It's all about perspective, and it really is easy to slip into the mistaken idea that 'your' problem is a major one. Mind you, those fucking TV screens facing the exit from the stadium are a pain in the arse! I wonder which bright spark dreamt up the idea to locate them there? Lots of fans desperate to get out for a fag are stopped by those ignorant buggers who want to see what's going on on Sky? That's all for now. OS. Mick a good point about the disabled bays and your suggestion about extra (properly designed) provision for wheel chairs in a new corner is good. I'm sure though that there should be scope to change the configuration of the platforms where the wheelchairs are currently located. I'd like to know if the club is prepared to do a feasibility study on this. They would need to use an architect (a competant one not like the ones who designed the bays in the first place) to find out the answers to the following questions: 1. How much does a wheelchair need to be raised above its present level to give the occupant a decent view if the person in the seat in front stands up?
2. If the wheel chair is raised by this amount can the people in the row of seats immediately above the bay still see? This might mean re-locating the chairs to the back of the bay.
3. Once the answers to questions 1 & 2 are known, is the physical space in the existing bay such that a ramp could be built to allow the chairs safe access to the higher level.
I'm amazed that none of our disabled fans have complained about this loud and long. As a matter of interest, are there any lawyers reading this who could comment on whether fans in wheelchairs would have a valid complaint about the current bays? I assume that legislation says that there have to be wheelchair bays - but you'd think that the law would also say that wheelchair users should also be able to see the action on the pitch?
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 23, 2014 18:56:58 GMT
I said I wouldn't... but I will. For a start, the word is 'effective' and not affective, GD. I did not ask the SC for assistance, and I'm sure that if I had, then somebody would have brought the matter up. So, except for Scholes's comments that the SC shouldn't be swayed (or words to that affect) by what they read on here, the matter of me bring up my problems a while back on here is a non-starter for me apart from his arrogance when it comes to what 'supporters' post on here having a negative tint. (Does any complaint not have a negative tint to someone, depending which side of the fence they're on?) So I have no problesm with SCWIM or SC on that count. Part of the reason my problem was not solved was because I took the attitude of 'Fuck 'em, they don't deserve my suport any more.' I was being my normal Bolshie self as usual. However, if my problem is sorted in the future for others who find themselves in my position, then at least some good will have come out of my Bolshie attitude. I just happen to be one of those folk who don't bow to nobody, so no way would I be writing fucking letters to some jobsworth who dreamed up the situation I found myself in, in the first place. Fuck you!!! Now onto the matter of SC. Like the FF before it, it will be used by the club as a shield to do what THEY want. It's happened in these minutes. Take for instance the Minute: - Disability No major issues from MM. The only concern was the sale of shirts online can't take up offer if disabled, advised that JWV will follow this up. Have you ever read such bullshit? Forget my tiny problem, what about the vision problems for the poor buggers in wheelchairs? For years they haven't been able to see when supporters (naturally) stand up in front of them when something exciting is going on. How could they improve this situation? Well, instead of filling in the corners for those who want to stand up, why not spend the few million extra quid they're going to get this season for finishing 'up there' on a proper facility for them? I'll bet that wasn't mooted! Why not? Are disabled fans in wheelchairs 'dispensible in the greater scheme of things?' Of course they are! A fucking flag to appease the 'masses' is more important. Oh, and where the fuck is Pottermiss? All smoke and mirrors unless you're a disabled person in a wheelchair who can't see half the game and who would gladly queue (probably doing a jig while they were at it) for a fucking burnt pie without the slightest moan if they had the chance. It's all about perspective, and it really is easy to slip into the mistaken idea that 'your' problem is a major one. Mind you, those fucking TV screens facing the exit from the stadium are a pain in the arse! I wonder which bright spark dreamt up the idea to locate them there? Lots of fans desperate to get out for a fag are stopped by those ignorant buggers who want to see what's going on on Sky? That's all for now. OS. Mick a good point about the disabled bays and your suggestion about extra (properly designed) provision for wheel chairs in a new corner is good. I'm sure though that there should be scope to change the configuration of the platforms where the wheelchairs are currently located. I'd like to know if the club is prepared to do a feasibility study on this. They would need to use an architect (a competant one not like the ones who designed the bays in the first place) to find out the answers to the following questions: 1. How much does a wheelchair need to be raised above its present level to give the occupant a decent view if the person in the seat in front stands up?
2. If the wheel chair is raised by this amount can the people in the row of seats immediately above the bay still see? This might mean re-locating the chairs to the back of the bay.
3. Once the answers to questions 1 & 2 are known, is the physical space in the existing bay such that a ramp could be built to allow the chairs safe access to the higher level.
I'm amazed that none of our disabled fans have complained about this loud and long. As a matter of interest, are there any lawyers reading this who could comment on whether fans in wheelchairs would have a valid complaint about the current bays? I assume that legislation says that they have to be wheelchair bays - but you'd think that the law would also say that wheelchair users should also be able to see the action on the pitch? I think they will be within the law because if the people in front stay sat as they should then the disabled folk would be able to see. If they do however raise the platform they stand/sit on maybe they could just instal a lift type devise at the end if each bay?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 23, 2014 19:06:39 GMT
Mick a good point about the disabled bays and your suggestion about extra (properly designed) provision for wheel chairs in a new corner is good. I'm sure though that there should be scope to change the configuration of the platforms where the wheelchairs are currently located. I'd like to know if the club is prepared to do a feasibility study on this. They would need to use an architect (a competant one not like the ones who designed the bays in the first place) to find out the answers to the following questions: 1. How much does a wheelchair need to be raised above its present level to give the occupant a decent view if the person in the seat in front stands up?
2. If the wheel chair is raised by this amount can the people in the row of seats immediately above the bay still see? This might mean re-locating the chairs to the back of the bay.
3. Once the answers to questions 1 & 2 are known, is the physical space in the existing bay such that a ramp could be built to allow the chairs safe access to the higher level.
I'm amazed that none of our disabled fans have complained about this loud and long. As a matter of interest, are there any lawyers reading this who could comment on whether fans in wheelchairs would have a valid complaint about the current bays? I assume that legislation says that they have to be wheelchair bays - but you'd think that the law would also say that wheelchair users should also be able to see the action on the pitch? I think they will be within the law because if the people in front stay sat as they should then the disabled folk would be able to see. If they do however raise the platform they stand/sit on maybe they could just instal a lift type devise at the end if each bay? I'm sure that a certain Mr Scholes will prefer the cheapest option. But, yes, a mini lift might fit the bill to get the chairs up to a higher level - but that might fall foul of health and safety legislation when it came to emergency evacuations. Although I've always thought that evacuating the wheelchair bays is dangerous anyway as they do not have their own entrance. The wheel chair and carer have to take their chances with the rest of the fans going through the tunnel.
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Post by MadMarko10 on Apr 23, 2014 19:08:50 GMT
I said I wouldn't... but I will. For a start, the word is 'effective' and not affective, GD. I did not ask the SC for assistance, and I'm sure that if I had, then somebody would have brought the matter up. So, except for Scholes's comments that the SC shouldn't be swayed (or words to that affect) by what they read on here, the matter of me bring up my problems a while back on here is a non-starter for me apart from his arrogance when it comes to what 'supporters' post on here having a negative tint. (Does any complaint not have a negative tint to someone, depending which side of the fence they're on?) So I have no problesm with SCWIM or SC on that count. Part of the reason my problem was not solved was because I took the attitude of 'Fuck 'em, they don't deserve my suport any more.' I was being my normal Bolshie self as usual. However, if my problem is sorted in the future for others who find themselves in my position, then at least some good will have come out of my Bolshie attitude. I just happen to be one of those folk who don't bow to nobody, so no way would I be writing fucking letters to some jobsworth who dreamed up the situation I found myself in, in the first place. Fuck you!!! Now onto the matter of SC. Like the FF before it, it will be used by the club as a shield to do what THEY want. It's happened in these minutes. Take for instance the Minute: - Disability No major issues from MM. The only concern was the sale of shirts online can't take up offer if disabled, advised that JWV will follow this up. Have you ever read such bullshit? Forget my tiny problem, what about the vision problems for the poor buggers in wheelchairs? For years they haven't been able to see when supporters (naturally) stand up in front of them when something exciting is going on. How could they improve this situation? Well, instead of filling in the corners for those who want to stand up, why not spend the few million extra quid they're going to get this season for finishing 'up there' on a proper facility for them? I'll bet that wasn't mooted! Why not? Are disabled fans in wheelchairs 'dispensible in the greater scheme of things?' Of course they are! A fucking flag to appease the 'masses' is more important. Oh, and where the fuck is Pottermiss? All smoke and mirrors unless you're a disabled person in a wheelchair who can't see half the game and who would gladly queue (probably doing a jig while they were at it) for a fucking burnt pie without the slightest moan if they had the chance. It's all about perspective, and it really is easy to slip into the mistaken idea that 'your' problem is a major one. Mind you, those fucking TV screens facing the exit from the stadium are a pain in the arse! I wonder which bright spark dreamt up the idea to locate them there? Lots of fans desperate to get out for a fag are stopped by those ignorant buggers who want to see what's going on on Sky? That's all for now. OS. Mick a good point about the disabled bays and your suggestion about extra (properly designed) provision for wheel chairs in a new corner is good. I'm sure though that there should be scope to change the configuration of the platforms where the wheelchairs are currently located. I'd like to know if the club is prepared to do a feasibility study on this. They would need to use an architect (a competant one not like the ones who designed the bays in the first place) to find out the answers to the following questions: 1. How much does a wheelchair need to be raised above its present level to give the occupant a decent view if the person in the seat in front stands up?
2. If the wheel chair is raised by this amount can the people in the row of seats immediately above the bay still see? This might mean re-locating the chairs to the back of the bay.
3. Once the answers to questions 1 & 2 are known, is the physical space in the existing bay such that a ramp could be built to allow the chairs safe access to the higher level.
I'm amazed that none of our disabled fans have complained about this loud and long. As a matter of interest, are there any lawyers reading this who could comment on whether fans in wheelchairs would have a valid complaint about the current bays? I assume that legislation says that there have to be wheelchair bays - but you'd think that the law would also say that wheelchair users should also be able to see the action on the pitch? I'm pretty sure I know the answer this already, as this would require time and effort
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Post by potterglen on Apr 23, 2014 20:57:14 GMT
Hi Ange. Did Mr Scholes say the names of who he was refering about the Oatie board? If not was he questioned about what he was saying? Cheers. Ang, I too would like clarification on TS comments, like SS I don't like the way we were simply dismissed and felt his comments were out of line (assuming he was talking about me and SS). As someone who has had a ST for many years and spent hundreds and thousands of pounds following this club up and down the country over the years I don't expect to be labelled or dismissed just because I post on the oatie. His choice of words were very poor and given his role at the club you would think he would know better, it also shows he cares none for the individual supporters who have issues and is not even interested in justifying his/the clubs decisions. As a couple have already mentioned the point should be pressed by the council that other clubs are still able to offer the 4 month option using the same company that we are so why was it that the club chose to ignore this option I do think that the council should be doing some research before these meetings so that you are prepared to challenge what TS is saying rather than accepting his comments at face value. Also considering the club is so anti this message board and have warned the council against it, what are the club doing to address the situation and discuss issues with its supporters the Facebook and twitter accounts are not really the platform to do this as they do not allow a discussion to take place and let's be honest the club are very poor at using them basically making an announcement two to three days after something that has already been posted on here. This is the largest community of supporters so I'm not sure where else they would expect you to gage opinion from the clubs fan base? Could the club not improve its relationship with the posters of this board by communicating through yourselves maybe have a weekly/monthly thread with genuine issues that we feel need to be raised this could include polls etc to raise the most important issues ? Just my opinion but I feel a lot of good can be done for the clubs and your perception amongst the rest of the supporter base by improving communications, I'm an avid Facebook, Twitter and Oatie user but don't feel this is enough for you to raise the issues that we want raising. Be careful in being so defensive and expect criticism on occasion as for me coming on here and starting to accuse the 'keyboard warrior' will only alienate you from the general supporter base and will make you no better than the club are at engaging the clubs loyal supporters and this would be my only criticism. Well said. TS attitude is dictatorial and left no avenue to challenge the claim that the 4 months interest free option is illegal, I recently suggested that the club might be getting percentage of the 9.9% APR and this was denied by the SC. I have made numerous suggestions/request through the SC and the answers that are frankly unbelievable. Perhaps the way to make an impact would be to dispose of the SC altogether as the club do as they please anyway.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Apr 23, 2014 21:12:09 GMT
It'll be interesting to read the minutes from the next SC meeting. In partial defense of the SC they can only raise issues that we as supporters alert them to and if peoples main concern is pottermiss flags then they're stuck unless we raise more pressing concerns.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 21:18:54 GMT
Whey heyy, Pissy slippers on one. How cool is that. Watch the heart and make sure the catheter is properly in place. Tell you what Cockwood boy. I'll come over, get you two seats in the posh bit (I know that place, used to have seats there once upon a long time ago ) I'll sit there with you while you tell Scholes what a twat he is and then you can dribble stale urine down the steps ! Then I'll remind you where you are and push you home GD
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 21:22:39 GMT
The more the monkey climbs the tree , the more it shows it's arse.
Peoples Republic of Fegg Hayes.
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Post by ange1 on Apr 23, 2014 22:05:18 GMT
As I said, all your comments will be reported back to the club on Saturday. Just a point that you may wish to consider OS , MM will probably have a really good understanding of the problem you mentioned being wheel chair bound herself. She has mentioned the problems that disabled viewers face at the Brit many times. She is like all of us, working with the club to try to improve the disabled supporter experience as well as every other customer's experience.
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Post by kitkatkev on Apr 23, 2014 22:25:08 GMT
May I just take this opportunity to thank Angela and Malcolm for their utmost patience with me, and what is a thankless task ? Unfortunately, when viewing the immense detail required for election to SC, I realised that only people with previous for these type of committee participation were qualified or welcomed by the club. Maybe if there's a requirement for communications officer, Lakeland or Kitkatkev could stand, and put us all to shame ? I know they'd have my full support. To end, may I quote Albert Einstein, who once said that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results ? TS take heed ! I'm out as the saying goes. Meetings are held before home games and living where I do, it is bad enough getting to games for a 3 pm kick off given that I have to walk a pair of dogs before we even set off. My dog walks start at 8 am as it is. And traveling down on Friday nights would mean the cost of 2 dogs going into kennels for two nights plus the guy I give a lift to would have to miss the game. So, being on the council is a total no no for me - a fact that will probably please some people, both on here and at the club! Be a no from me too travel 170 miles to games is long enough of my time add to that representing some of the moaning gits no no no no
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Post by scfcsurrey on Apr 23, 2014 23:22:05 GMT
That link just takes you to a load of patronising wank. The fans have turned up because Coates invested millions which has in turn being converted in to quality performances, players and Premiership football. So my constructive comments are cut the patronising wank and ensure that we keep a good team on the pitch. That is why the attendances doubled.... ...regardless of the burnt pies and 10 fucking years plus of parking and traffic that is fucking wank. If the parking and traffic had beeen sorted then a biscuit munching, lemon tea drinking council might be worth having. PS Don't worry about the pies...I'll eat anything. There will be audible groans of disappointment from within the Supporters Council inner sanctum, Merk when they realise that you are unlikely to fulfil their hope that you would stand as the representative of "slightly overweight supporters who sit on Row 28 of Block 29, Seddon Stand with a preference for Nike trainers and grey waterproof jackets"! The bloke who represents the "back row of the Q Railings Upper Deck supporters who have an uninterrupted view of the directors box but suffer with a cheese allergy and slightly greying hair", will just have to continue to cover that role as well as his own. Well Mark, that happens to be me you are talking about, the SC member for Q Railing Upper. I don't get to post on here much, frankly I don't have time, but I read the Oatie website 3 or 4 times a week. I have followed this thread for a few days and nothing much surprises me, but here is my take on the SC. - the SC is well chaired by Angela with Malcolm's support. The vast majority of the SC are diehard Stoke fans, but the nature of it's make-up is that members represent different sections of the fan base, so we have members from the Family stand, from disabled section, from all areas of the ground. The fact that issues like flags, catering provision in the hospitality areas, the content of Stoke City player etc get raised is a function of the disparate nature of the SC members and their respective interests and match day bugbears. My own interest is in ticketing for exiles, as I have been one for 35 years since I left S-o-T.....not with regard to my own issues with tickets as I am a season ticket holder and Platinum member , but for friends and relations who are exiles.. Personally for instance I feel unable to comment on the parking problems as I always park at Trentham for home matches and walk along the canal to the Brit, and herein lies the latent problem with the way any supporters' body can be expected to perform: there will be very few issues where all members are equally engaged, interested or passionate in their opinions. Certainly they will not appear to be presenting a united front on every single issue. - the Club has not got its relationship with the SC right, and the impression remains that it is going through the motions a bit or at best in a quandary as to the role of the SC in its wider communications strategy to the fan base. It would help greatly if certain members of staff stop calling fans "customers", but that may change a bit for the better with the change in management of the commercial team. - I believe like most things in life that cock-up not conspiracy is the explanation for most things that go wrong at the club. Obviously Tony Scholes is not everyone's cup of tea...but personally I think Stoke are better with him there than with someone like Jez Moxey. He was honest enough to admit to the SC that buying tickets initially with the new membership card was a nightmare. - the SC is conscious that better communication to the fan base is required, but this will always perhaps have to be in conjunction with the Club otherwise the Club will just withhold info from the SC for fear of scuppering their own communications plans. The season ticket announcement for early bird sales this year just shows the deficiencies of the Club's approach: the SC pressed for a freeze on prices , as you would all expect us to do, but the Club did not consult us on withdrawing the Quarterly payment option even though they asked for our views on the monthly DD option which we strongly supported. - for me the future is about more fan consultation via the Oatcake site and other forums but we have to avoid the problem of those shouting loudest dominating every issue. To be honest folks, I don't go around in real life calling people cunts, fuckwits, wankstains, dickheads etc so whilst it doesn't bother me that much being called such online I don't take such emotion as seriously as a well argued case (and there have been many well argued points in this thread) - like most of you, I love this club, it is my main interest in life, I've been to 78 league grounds following Stoke over the years. As Angela said somewhere above, we are all on the same side. Happy to have a beer with any of you to talk things over. I sit block 2, row 3, seat 49
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Post by OldStokie on Apr 24, 2014 0:59:02 GMT
Whey heyy, Pissy slippers on one. How cool is that. Watch the heart and make sure the catheter is properly in place. Tell you what Cockwood boy. I'll come over, get you two seats in the posh bit (I know that place, used to have seats there once upon a long time ago ) I'll sit there with you while you tell Scholes what a twat he is and then you can dribble stale urine down the steps ! Then I'll remind you where you are and push you home GD Thank you for your kind offer, Davy-me-boy, but if you won't be offended (chuckle) then I'll politely refuse. I can imagine the situation of being in your care. The homeward journey would be via O'Leary's Bar, where, outside, you would fall into the middle of the road, pissed up, leaving me stranded, and my well-filled incontinence pad would become a public health issue, which would entail me being carted off to the local tip. So, thank you, but no thank you. As for where you propose to take me - amongst the great and the good (I know you knock around in those circles you fucking traitor to the working classes) - then it's no thanks to that, too. I once went on one of those Waddo Suite do's, and to be honest, I have never known such a sterile way of watching a game of nogger. DDM and Norbs would have had a field day in there if he hadn't been killed by dragons on Bunny Hill. Reading this thread takes me back yonks. Has this situation ever not been so since we first moved to The Brit? I just love these dick measuring contests and Victor Momo on his high horse, and at his most terrible (say that in a French way). And now we've even had Mr Moxey brought into the equation. Where does he fit into the SC equation? I always thought he was such a nice man, and I was an avid fan of his. So much so that my season ticket to The Brit was 000000003. ROFL. And if I dare ask on a public forum (wink), how is young Zeus these days? And I wonder how young Para is faring after he sired your bastard child. Did you ever pay him the vast amount of child care allowance you owed. Last time I saw him, he was teaching his new bird how to count, and moaning about you. But that was back in the days when Phil Rawlins would steal the kitty in O'Leary's Bar from one of Paul's games, for charity. I often wonder if we didn't supply the first funds for the formation of his American Adventure out of that kitty. (Only kidding, Phil. ) OS.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 24, 2014 6:34:20 GMT
I fell better now that I know one of my representatives is a Platinum Queue Jumper, who thinks Scholes is ok because he's not Jez Moxey.
Put my mind at rest that has.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 24, 2014 6:38:23 GMT
I fell better now that I know one of my representatives is a Platinum Queue Jumper, who thinks Scholes is ok because he's not Jez Moxey. Put my mind at rest that has. I thought of you as soon as I read that but in fairness he does make some good points. I get the feeling that the SC are stuck between a rock and a hard place and seem to have a bit of a thankless task.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 24, 2014 6:58:07 GMT
There will be audible groans of disappointment from within the Supporters Council inner sanctum, Merk when they realise that you are unlikely to fulfil their hope that you would stand as the representative of "slightly overweight supporters who sit on Row 28 of Block 29, Seddon Stand with a preference for Nike trainers and grey waterproof jackets"! The bloke who represents the "back row of the Q Railings Upper Deck supporters who have an uninterrupted view of the directors box but suffer with a cheese allergy and slightly greying hair", will just have to continue to cover that role as well as his own. Well Mark, that happens to be me you are talking about, the SC member for Q Railing Upper. I don't get to post on here much, frankly I don't have time, but I read the Oatie website 3 or 4 times a week. I have followed this thread for a few days and nothing much surprises me, but here is my take on the SC. - the SC is well chaired by Angela with Malcolm's support. The vast majority of the SC are diehard Stoke fans, but the nature of it's make-up is that members represent different sections of the fan base, so we have members from the Family stand, from disabled section, from all areas of the ground. The fact that issues like flags, catering provision in the hospitality areas, the content of Stoke City player etc get raised is a function of the disparate nature of the SC members and their respective interests and match day bugbears. My own interest is in ticketing for exiles, as I have been one for 35 years since I left S-o-T.....not with regard to my own issues with tickets as I am a season ticket holder and Platinum member , but for friends and relations who are exiles.. Personally for instance I feel unable to comment on the parking problems as I always park at Trentham for home matches and walk along the canal to the Brit, and herein lies the latent problem with the way any supporters' body can be expected to perform: there will be very few issues where all members are equally engaged, interested or passionate in their opinions. Certainly they will not appear to be presenting a united front on every single issue. - the Club has not got its relationship with the SC right, and the impression remains that it is going through the motions a bit or at best in a quandary as to the role of the SC in its wider communications strategy to the fan base. It would help greatly if certain members of staff stop calling fans "customers", but that may change a bit for the better with the change in management of the commercial team. - I believe like most things in life that cock-up not conspiracy is the explanation for most things that go wrong at the club. Obviously Tony Scholes is not everyone's cup of tea...but personally I think Stoke are better with him there than with someone like Jez Moxey. He was honest enough to admit to the SC that buying tickets initially with the new membership card was a nightmare. - the SC is conscious that better communication to the fan base is required, but this will always perhaps have to be in conjunction with the Club otherwise the Club will just withhold info from the SC for fear of scuppering their own communications plans. The season ticket announcement for early bird sales this year just shows the deficiencies of the Club's approach: the SC pressed for a freeze on prices , as you would all expect us to do, but the Club did not consult us on withdrawing the Quarterly payment option even though they asked for our views on the monthly DD option which we strongly supported. - for me the future is about more fan consultation via the Oatcake site and other forums but we have to avoid the problem of those shouting loudest dominating every issue. To be honest folks, I don't go around in real life calling people cunts, fuckwits, wankstains, dickheads etc so whilst it doesn't bother me that much being called such online I don't take such emotion as seriously as a well argued case (and there have been many well argued points in this thread) - like most of you, I love this club, it is my main interest in life, I've been to 78 league grounds following Stoke over the years. As Angela said somewhere above, we are all on the same side. Happy to have a beer with any of you to talk things over. I sit block 2, row 3, seat 49
It gets worse for the SC. It appears that they all amble up on match day a few hours before kick off, pitch up for tea and biscuits and then go round the room discussing each of their own personal agendas. And we wonder why nothing is achieved. I actually feel for the fans on the SC - the SC has been manipulated by the club to be a vehicle to rubber stamp unpopular decisions with the members taking all the flak and Scholes walking away wetting himself.
As for the flag - will supporters have their opinion on the design, because quite frankly the 12th man one was embarrassing? It will probably have I am Stoke written all over it!!! Cue chants of 'what he fucking hell is that' from away supporters.
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Post by foster on Apr 24, 2014 7:55:23 GMT
I fell better now that I know one of my representatives is a Platinum Queue Jumper, who thinks Scholes is ok because he's not Jez Moxey. Put my mind at rest that has. Sheik... Ready to pay up? Whenever you save enough that is.
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Post by Do it for dobing on Apr 24, 2014 8:07:22 GMT
Stoke's match day ticket prices vary with the type of opposition.If the club want to expand the supporter base can the club not price supporters out of going to see the so called bigger teams?
Mr Scholes wants to see the stadium full every single Saturday.Difficult when the prices are too high ,season ticket prices are great but don't get too greedy on the match day prices.also only possible to get individual seats at times ,friends or family can not sit together
Also maybe they could reconsider having a cash turnstile if they ever expand the stadium,as some people only can decide to attend at the last minute Increasing the stadium and the size of the concourses must go hand in hand with the improvements on the pitch,waiting will lose potential new supporters and increasing our supporter base from what it has been over the last 5 years
Tony Scholes seems surprised that gates were down at the beginning of the season no reason to be surprised!
1.New supporter's card took time for everybody to accept 2.Poor entertainment on the pitch last season and negativity coming from management 3.Match day tickets too high for big clubs 4.Stadium facilities not improving only on the corporate side.
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Post by mcf on Apr 24, 2014 8:41:02 GMT
I fell better now that I know one of my representatives is a Platinum Queue Jumper, who thinks Scholes is ok because he's not Jez Moxey. Put my mind at rest that has. I tried to get Plat + cards again this year - would have cost me £150 for me and the kids but they've fucking pulled it. Did they warn me - did they fuck. I'll have to queue on the phone for ages with the rest of the peasants now.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Apr 24, 2014 8:41:09 GMT
Ask yourself this question - would any other business with c.30k loyal repeat customers consider removing a route to market, without considering an appropriate alternative?
The simple fact is, the business side of our football club is amateur at best.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 8:55:13 GMT
Whey heyy, Pissy slippers on one. How cool is that. Watch the heart and make sure the catheter is properly in place. Tell you what Cockwood boy. I'll come over, get you two seats in the posh bit (I know that place, used to have seats there once upon a long time ago ) I'll sit there with you while you tell Scholes what a twat he is and then you can dribble stale urine down the steps ! Then I'll remind you where you are and push you home GD Thank you for your kind offer, Davy-me-boy, but if you won't be offended (chuckle) then I'll politely refuse. I can imagine the situation of being in your care. The homeward journey would be via O'Leary's Bar, where, outside, you would fall into the middle of the road, pissed up, leaving me stranded, and my well-filled incontinence pad would become a public health issue, which would entail me being carted off to the local tip. So, thank you, but no thank you. As for where you propose to take me - amongst the great and the good (I know you knock around in those circles you fucking traitor to the working classes) - then it's no thanks to that, too. I once went on one of those Waddo Suite do's, and to be honest, I have never known such a sterile way of watching a game of nogger. DDM and Norbs would have had a field day in there if he hadn't been killed by dragons on Bunny Hill. Reading this thread takes me back yonks. Has this situation ever not been so since we first moved to The Brit? I just love these dick measuring contests and Victor Momo on his high horse, and at his most terrible (say that in a French way). And now we've even had Mr Moxey brought into the equation. Where does he fit into the SC equation? I always thought he was such a nice man, and I was an avid fan of his. So much so that my season ticket to The Brit was 000000003. ROFL. And if I dare ask on a public forum (wink), how is young Zeus these days? And I wonder how young Para is faring after he sired your bastard child. Did you ever pay him the vast amount of child care allowance you owed. Last time I saw him, he was teaching his new bird how to count, and moaning about you. But that was back in the days when Phil Rawlins would steal the kitty in O'Leary's Bar from one of Paul's games, for charity. I often wonder if we didn't supply the first funds for the formation of his American Adventure out of that kitty. (Only kidding, Phil. ) OS. Well Mr Norcup,
We might as well hijack this thread as its best summed up with the statement 'Plus ca change plus c'est la même chose' what with me being so near Froggy Land !
Now to answer some of your salient points.
Demid is now a gangly teenager with all the joy that brings. We don't come over for the football anymore (for the reasons mentioned above) He now attends the sea-scouts on a Saturday and spends his time sailing around the islands, camping and doing sea scout stuff. He loves it. He'll probably wants the Yacht when he's older
Para was and still is a money grabbing slut that opens its legs to anyone and everyone. I never gave it any money and never will !
I think I overstayed my welcome in the Posh seats after a certain nice gentleman called Mr Macari made the mistake of sitting next to me after I'd been sampling the cooperate hospitality for about 2 hours prior to the game. He wouldn't answer my questions about being a litigious mardy crook and who only ever put his nipper on to play in the last 5 minutes of a game for financial reasons. He left his seat soon after
As for my drinking I'm an old man nowadays. Its strictly half a lager shandy these days (and if you believe that your WAY more senile than I thought)
Hope all that helps oh and Momo has honed his window licking to unsurpassed levels these days
Tally Ho and splice the mainbrace
GD
P.S Was that a flounce from Mr Clarke earlier ?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 24, 2014 9:05:04 GMT
I fell better now that I know one of my representatives is a Platinum Queue Jumper, who thinks Scholes is ok because he's not Jez Moxey. Put my mind at rest that has. I tried to get Plat + cards again this year - would have cost me £150 for me and the kids but they've fucking pulled it. Did they warn me - did they fuck. I'll have to queue on the phone for ages with the rest of the peasants now. Get on to your rep mate!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 24, 2014 9:07:34 GMT
Thank you for your kind offer, Davy-me-boy, but if you won't be offended (chuckle) then I'll politely refuse. I can imagine the situation of being in your care. The homeward journey would be via O'Leary's Bar, where, outside, you would fall into the middle of the road, pissed up, leaving me stranded, and my well-filled incontinence pad would become a public health issue, which would entail me being carted off to the local tip. So, thank you, but no thank you. As for where you propose to take me - amongst the great and the good (I know you knock around in those circles you fucking traitor to the working classes) - then it's no thanks to that, too. I once went on one of those Waddo Suite do's, and to be honest, I have never known such a sterile way of watching a game of nogger. DDM and Norbs would have had a field day in there if he hadn't been killed by dragons on Bunny Hill. Reading this thread takes me back yonks. Has this situation ever not been so since we first moved to The Brit? I just love these dick measuring contests and Victor Momo on his high horse, and at his most terrible (say that in a French way). And now we've even had Mr Moxey brought into the equation. Where does he fit into the SC equation? I always thought he was such a nice man, and I was an avid fan of his. So much so that my season ticket to The Brit was 000000003. ROFL. And if I dare ask on a public forum (wink), how is young Zeus these days? And I wonder how young Para is faring after he sired your bastard child. Did you ever pay him the vast amount of child care allowance you owed. Last time I saw him, he was teaching his new bird how to count, and moaning about you. But that was back in the days when Phil Rawlins would steal the kitty in O'Leary's Bar from one of Paul's games, for charity. I often wonder if we didn't supply the first funds for the formation of his American Adventure out of that kitty. (Only kidding, Phil. ) OS. Well Mr Norcup,
We might as well hijack this thread as its best summed up with the statement 'Plus ca change plus c'est la même chose' what with me being so near Froggy Land !
Now to answer some of your salient points.
Demid is now a gangly teenager with all the joy that brings. We don't come over for the football anymore (for the reasons mentioned above) He now attends the sea-scouts on a Saturday and spends his time sailing around the islands, camping and doing sea scout stuff. He loves it. He'll probably wants the Yacht when he's older
Para was and still is a money grabbing slut that opens its legs to anyone and everyone. I never gave it any money and never will !
I think I overstayed my welcome in the Posh seats after a certain nice gentleman called Mr Macari made the mistake of sitting next to me after I'd been sampling the cooperate hospitality for about 2 hours prior to the game. He wouldn't answer my questions about being a litigious mardy crook and who only ever put his nipper on to play in the last 5 minutes of a game for financial reasons. He left his seat soon after
As for my drinking I'm an old man nowadays. Its strictly half a lager shandy these days (and if you believe that your WAY more senile than I thought)
Hope all that helps oh and Momo has honed his window licking to unsurpassed levels these days
Tally Ho and splice the mainbrace
GD
P.S Was that a flounce from Mr Clarke earlier ?
Is there a supporters councillor who represents Block:- Living Room Row:- Sofa Seat:- The one without piss on?
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 24, 2014 12:43:58 GMT
There will be audible groans of disappointment from within the Supporters Council inner sanctum, Merk when they realise that you are unlikely to fulfil their hope that you would stand as the representative of "slightly overweight supporters who sit on Row 28 of Block 29, Seddon Stand with a preference for Nike trainers and grey waterproof jackets"! The bloke who represents the "back row of the Q Railings Upper Deck supporters who have an uninterrupted view of the directors box but suffer with a cheese allergy and slightly greying hair", will just have to continue to cover that role as well as his own. Well Mark, that happens to be me you are talking about, the SC member for Q Railing Upper. I don't get to post on here much, frankly I don't have time, but I read the Oatie website 3 or 4 times a week. I have followed this thread for a few days and nothing much surprises me, but here is my take on the SC. - the SC is well chaired by Angela with Malcolm's support. The vast majority of the SC are diehard Stoke fans, but the nature of it's make-up is that members represent different sections of the fan base, so we have members from the Family stand, from disabled section, from all areas of the ground. The fact that issues like flags, catering provision in the hospitality areas, the content of Stoke City player etc get raised is a function of the disparate nature of the SC members and their respective interests and match day bugbears. My own interest is in ticketing for exiles, as I have been one for 35 years since I left S-o-T.....not with regard to my own issues with tickets as I am a season ticket holder and Platinum member , but for friends and relations who are exiles.. Personally for instance I feel unable to comment on the parking problems as I always park at Trentham for home matches and walk along the canal to the Brit, and herein lies the latent problem with the way any supporters' body can be expected to perform: there will be very few issues where all members are equally engaged, interested or passionate in their opinions. Certainly they will not appear to be presenting a united front on every single issue. - the Club has not got its relationship with the SC right, and the impression remains that it is going through the motions a bit or at best in a quandary as to the role of the SC in its wider communications strategy to the fan base. It would help greatly if certain members of staff stop calling fans "customers", but that may change a bit for the better with the change in management of the commercial team. - I believe like most things in life that cock-up not conspiracy is the explanation for most things that go wrong at the club. Obviously Tony Scholes is not everyone's cup of tea...but personally I think Stoke are better with him there than with someone like Jez Moxey. He was honest enough to admit to the SC that buying tickets initially with the new membership card was a nightmare. - the SC is conscious that better communication to the fan base is required, but this will always perhaps have to be in conjunction with the Club otherwise the Club will just withhold info from the SC for fear of scuppering their own communications plans. The season ticket announcement for early bird sales this year just shows the deficiencies of the Club's approach: the SC pressed for a freeze on prices , as you would all expect us to do, but the Club did not consult us on withdrawing the Quarterly payment option even though they asked for our views on the monthly DD option which we strongly supported. - for me the future is about more fan consultation via the Oatcake site and other forums but we have to avoid the problem of those shouting loudest dominating every issue. To be honest folks, I don't go around in real life calling people cunts, fuckwits, wankstains, dickheads etc so whilst it doesn't bother me that much being called such online I don't take such emotion as seriously as a well argued case (and there have been many well argued points in this thread) - like most of you, I love this club, it is my main interest in life, I've been to 78 league grounds following Stoke over the years. As Angela said somewhere above, we are all on the same side. Happy to have a beer with any of you to talk things over. I sit block 2, row 3, seat 49 Hi Surrey, No it didn't happen to be you or anybody at all. It was meant to be light-hearted and as I explained it was a hangover from the Fans Forum days. I could have randomly mentioned the third row from the front of the Boothen End. Sorry to have caused you to assume it was directed at you but be assured the mention of the Q Railings was completely random as I said. I don't even know the exact constitutions of the current supporter liaison, let alone be specific about one of them. On to your specific points. I would endorse your view of the abilities of Ange and Malcolm. Much of the problems the Fans Forum ran into was down to the quality of some (by no means all) of the representation. That will not be an issue currently. I also agree entirely with your Moxey/Scholes comparison; I doubt many would argue otherwise. Im not so convinced that Mr Scholes is as prone to cock up rather than design as you may wish to think. I tend to think he is a bit smarter than may meet the eye. In terms of communication with the supporters then it is all a familiar flop at this point. The club puts out apparently propaganda fuelled minutes that are supposedly representative of the meetings and yet we have Council members having to come onto this thread telling us that they are not and listing matters raised that have no space on the club's version. Then someone from the Council signs them off as true! We have Mr Scholes warning against taking any notice of this website although it has a broader and larger church of opinion from Stoke City supporters than any he can access. That is why he reads it/has it read for him! We have a repeat of the Fans Forum failing to date from the new body where they are struggling to actually communicate or be communicated with. I see no apparatus in place that gives me any confidence that the Council is positioned to understand what supporter's problems are. The obvious danger is that, like the Fans Forum it will become a self serving entity. It is interesting to note that it has taken a thread that started with implied criticism of the Council before this website has been used to any extent to engage with the people that use it. I repeat the point made elsewhere about this website being the most populated form of supporter access you can dream of having. From my own personal perspective I have said from the outset that I consider the whole exercise of supporter consultation set up in this way to be ineffective and I have explained why many times. The fact that this incarnation was set up at a time when the club was and is in the strongest position it has ever been to do as it pleases only amplifies those reasons. The topic that started this thread is proof positive. The club hasn't bothered with the instalment scheme because it will shift the tickets without having to invest the time or money to do so. End of story. The constitution of our club means that they are only accountable to themselves and the shareholders. Certainly not the supporters and certainly not when money rolls in without trying. You can buy me a drink anytime you fancy changing my mind though
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 13:25:29 GMT
Can I point out the only difference between Moxey and Scholes is that Scholes doesn't have a fit daughter that worked in the club shop Please carry on GD
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 24, 2014 13:38:59 GMT
Scholes has never managed to heroically relegate Wolves down to the third division either.
Scholes is indeed a useless cunt.
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Post by miggo on Apr 24, 2014 14:28:39 GMT
Scholes poor perception stems from constant poor communication from the club and lack of willing to use the clubs best source of supporter feedback, this message board it's a vicious circle. Like I've said before if Scholes was to open up dialogue to the fans through the ST using the oatcake, I suspect things would improve for all parties but I really doubt his opinion about the oatie will change and therefore any idea proposed by the SC that stems from here will be instantly dismissed as he does his research, we know from the minutes that he is/was aware of discussions on this board. This is why the council need to be well prepared and offer constructive reasons as to what the suggestions will offer both the club and supporters, which if I'm honest sounds like they do anyway it just hits a brick wall. P.S - scholesy stop spying on us, you know we love you. Honest! Sent from my C6603 using proboards
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