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Post by intamevan on Apr 12, 2014 19:23:23 GMT
After another fantastically solid performance today, yes he can still improve, however, Ryan has become one of the most consistent players in the premier league.
Having watched Stoke for over 40 years, I believe that Ryan has to be up there as the best centre half in Stoke City's history, yes I know Denis Smith & Alan Bloor were iconic, but they played in an era where foreign players were very rare indeed, the premier league has been graced with some of the very best strikers in the world over the past 6 seasons and Ryan is getting better and becoming a fantastic defender.
I was wondering where you would rate him and whom you think is better? - Discuss
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Post by mermaidsal on Apr 12, 2014 19:33:03 GMT
Bearing in mind I never saw Franklin, who has to be number 1, play and only saw Smithy in his later years (plus I was only a young girl), I would put Ryan and Smithy neck and neck at 2=... very different players, both unlucky not to have become international regulars at the right age, what they have in common is unbelievable commitment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 19:35:50 GMT
Bearing in mind I never saw Franklin, who has to be number 1, play and only saw Smithy in his later years (plus I was only a young girl), I would put Ryan and Smithy neck and neck at 2=... very different players, both unlucky not to have become international regulars at the right age, what they have in common is unbelievable commitment. I wouldn't . Shawxross is better. Smithy wasn't unlucky....he wasn't good enough , whereas Shawxross has been 'unlucky'. |
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 12, 2014 19:38:08 GMT
Segei shtaniuk was some player , all be it in lower leagues
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Post by wuzza on Apr 12, 2014 19:39:47 GMT
Recent history - yes definitely the best. He is consistently performing at the top level.
All history - too many people who were lucky enough to see him (my old dad included) say Neil Franklin was the best defender they ever saw (for any team) for it to be in doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 19:40:05 GMT
Alan Dodd was something special in his prime
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Post by mermaidsal on Apr 12, 2014 19:40:22 GMT
Segei shtaniuk was some player , all be it in lower leagues He was brutal for sure  Wonder how many red cards per month he'd pick up in the Prem? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 19:42:12 GMT
Alan Dodd was something special in his prime Most definitely...Better than Smithy infact. |
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Post by mermaidsal on Apr 12, 2014 19:43:45 GMT
Alan Dodd was something special in his prime Good shout, he'd be my 4th after a fantastic top 3. mumf would you seriously say Roy McFarland was a better CB than Smithy? Early to mid-70s who else was ahead of Smithy in the England possibles? Till Phil Thompson I don't think of that as a great era for CBs. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 12, 2014 19:43:50 GMT
Segei shtaniuk was some player , all be it in lower leagues He was brutal for sure Wonder how many red cards per month he'd pick up in the Prem? Ramsey wouldn't of survived to whinge about that tackle that's for sure. |
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 12, 2014 19:43:58 GMT
Segei shtaniuk was some player , all be it in lower leagues He was brutal for sure Wonder how many red cards per month he'd pick up in the Prem? I thought he was a very good player sal , at the time none other than Steve coppel said he was the best defender outside the premier league |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 19:45:09 GMT
Alan Dodd was something special in his prime Good shout, he'd be my 4th after a fantastic top 3. mumf would you seriously say Roy McFarland was a better CB than Smithy? Early to mid-70s who else was ahead of Smithy in the England possibles? Till Phil Thompson I don't think of that as a great era for CBs. I could name 10 centre halves better than Denis Smith at the time. Don't confuse guts , hardness and determination over style against overall ability. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 12, 2014 19:45:11 GMT
I never saw Franklin either, but by reputation you would have to put him top of the list.
It is hard to say where our 1970s players would be in the modern game.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 12, 2014 19:47:11 GMT
Steve bould
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 19:47:11 GMT
I never saw Franklin either, but by reputation you would have to put him top of the list. It is hard to say where our 1970s players would be in the modern game. In the dressing room having been red carded after 10 minutes |
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Post by march4 on Apr 12, 2014 19:49:00 GMT
I never saw Franklin either, but by reputation you would have to put him top of the list. It is hard to say where our 1970s players would be in the modern game. In the dressing room having been red carded after 10 minutes Excellent  |
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 12, 2014 19:50:11 GMT
Ryan is a very good player.
Neil Franklin was rated as the best in the country by Billy Wright, and as such surely has to be rated the best CB in our history.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 19:50:21 GMT
I never saw Franklin either, but by reputation you would have to put him top of the list. It is hard to say where our 1970s players would be in the modern game. Greenoff , Ritchie , Banks , Dodd and Pejic would all get a game.... |
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Post by march4 on Apr 12, 2014 19:53:58 GMT
I never saw Franklin either, but by reputation you would have to put him top of the list. It is hard to say where our 1970s players would be in the modern game. Greenoff , Ritchie , Banks , Dodd and Pejic would all get a game.... I just wish we could find a way to see them play again. |
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Post by mermaidsal on Apr 12, 2014 19:54:35 GMT
I never saw Franklin either, but by reputation you would have to put him top of the list. It is hard to say where our 1970s players would be in the modern game. Greenoff , Ritchie , Banks , Dodd and Pejic would all get a game.... Not HUddy? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 19:55:10 GMT
As my username dictates Neil Frankin was world class as my dad always told me. I never saw him play though, for players I have seen Smithy ( a proper hero to me ) Alan Dodd, Bloor, Dave Watson and out of left field given the shit we were in big Vince Overson. Ryan is up there amongst the best I have seen and could well be one of the best ever in a Stoke shirt I just hope he stays and proves how good he is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2014 19:55:40 GMT
Greenoff , Ritchie , Banks , Dodd and Pejic would all get a game.... Not HUddy? Yes ....and one or two others. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 12, 2014 19:56:38 GMT
As my username dictates Neil Frankin was world class as my dad always told me. I never saw him play though, for players I have seen Smithy ( a proper hero to me ) Alan Dodd, Bloor, Dave Watson and out of left field given the shit we were in big Vince Overson. Ryan is up there amongst the best I have seen and could well be one of the best ever in a Stoke shirt I just hope he stays and proves how good he is. Forgot about Dave Watson. For a few months he gave a masterclass in defending. |
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Post by fca47 on Apr 12, 2014 19:56:58 GMT
Up there, we have had some good ones, Smithy and Bluto, Dave Watson.
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Post by ohbottom on Apr 12, 2014 19:57:40 GMT
I never saw Franklin play, but he was widely regarded as the best in the country in his time.
Steve Bould is a good shout, he was fookin good.
But personally I'd put Shawcross ahead of him and Smith and Dodd
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Post by towraytek on Apr 12, 2014 19:59:36 GMT
I only know Franklin by reputation and never saw him play so can only comment on Denis and Ryan.
Denis epitomised everything we achieved in the 70's and there are some who will say that he is their favourite ever Stoke player: strong, skillful, die for the shirt.
Whereas Ryan is the symbol of what we have achieved in the modern Premiership era; strong,skillful, and a natural leader.
You cant split them, and I am privileged to have seen both play for Stoke City.
Ek
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Post by cooperman45 on Apr 12, 2014 20:25:42 GMT
Do you think that Ryan has improved as a leader since the loss of Huth. He has grown into the role. I heard him shouting today in the way a CAPTAIN should. Well played Captain Ryan Shawcross.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Apr 12, 2014 20:49:03 GMT
Abdoulaye Faye is my choice.
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 12, 2014 21:41:29 GMT
200 Premier games is an achievement. Well done my son
Big shout for Dave Watson. Great centre half
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Post by Veritas on Apr 12, 2014 21:43:57 GMT
Like most others I didn't see Franklin but I think he must have been the best I did however see Smith at his peak and as good as Ryan is Smithy was better by quite a bit, I would put Ryan at 4th best behind Franklin, Smith and Huth with Bloor, Dodd and Watson next in order.
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Wonder how many red cards per month he'd pick up in the Prem?
