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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 18:34:11 GMT
Agreed ....Teeth have to be gritted and carry on looking to the future ....it will come good in time How cliché , this line had been spat or for years. We move on little steps at a time while the others stride off into the distance. When you've got a man in charge who's as dynamic as betamax video player we will continue to be shite Cliched or not ...what else would you suggest ? ....optimism or criticism .....the criticism is warranted but so is the optimism ...unless people want to wallow in misery and apathy for the next couple of years while constantly criticising poor performances .....people wanted rid of Flower , now we face the possibility of Giles in charge !
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 31, 2014 18:40:22 GMT
How cliché , this line had been spat or for years. We move on little steps at a time while the others stride off into the distance. When you've got a man in charge who's as dynamic as betamax video player we will continue to be shite Cliched or not ...what else would you suggest ? ....optimism or criticism .....the criticism is warranted but so is the optimism ...unless people want to wallow in misery and apathy for the next couple of years while constantly criticising poor performances .....people wanted rid of Flower , now we face the possibility of Giles in charge ! You are right to be optimistic. We have plenty of good players coming through. We could have a very good summer. But, not if we appoint Giles! We need a clean break - which is why I'm OK KP has gone (although I'd have kept him for this tournament). So goodbye mr Giles. Bring on the next generation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 18:50:03 GMT
Cliched or not ...what else would you suggest ? ....optimism or criticism .....the criticism is warranted but so is the optimism ...unless people want to wallow in misery and apathy for the next couple of years while constantly criticising poor performances .....people wanted rid of Flower , now we face the possibility of Giles in charge ! You are right to be optimistic. We have plenty of good players coming through. We could have a very good summer. But, not if we appoint Giles! We need a clean break - which is why I'm OK KP has gone (although I'd have kept him for this tournament). So goodbye mr Giles. Bring on the next generation. Agreed .. Giles is the las person I would want to see in the job , his management skills appear to be akin to his spin bowling . We do have plenty of young player players coming through who will be the basis of a good side again ....but people have to accept that there will be poor performances and setbacks along the way....
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Post by redsaturday on Mar 31, 2014 19:02:00 GMT
How cliché , this line had been spat or for years. We move on little steps at a time while the others stride off into the distance. When you've got a man in charge who's as dynamic as betamax video player we will continue to be shite Cliched or not ...what else would you suggest ? ....optimism or criticism .....the criticism is warranted but so is the optimism ...unless people want to wallow in misery and apathy for the next couple of years while constantly criticising poor performances .....people wanted rid of Flower , now we face the possibility of Giles in charge ! We are so focused on test cricket (which I love) that in my opinion we treat one day cricket as a bit of a side show. This is evident in County t20 where crowds are getting smaller. The top players in the world don't come to play in the English tournament because it's not as good along with the money. We need to allocate time in the year where there's no test or County cricket so our best players can play consistent t20 cricket
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 31, 2014 19:46:07 GMT
Giles, Test match Coach? No way. Giles ODI Coach? No way. Giles T 20 Coach?No way. But you just know, the powers that be, will fuck it up and appoint him for all 3.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 21:34:52 GMT
Cliched or not ...what else would you suggest ? ....optimism or criticism .....the criticism is warranted but so is the optimism ...unless people want to wallow in misery and apathy for the next couple of years while constantly criticising poor performances .....people wanted rid of Flower , now we face the possibility of Giles in charge ! We are so focused on test cricket (which I love) that in my opinion we treat one day cricket as a bit of a side show. This is evident in County t20 where crowds are getting smaller. The top players in the world don't come to play in the English tournament because it's not as good along with the money. We need to allocate time in the year where there's no test or County cricket so our best players can play consistent t20 cricket A good point that you make.....but due to the heavy schedule of international cricket and county championship cricket that won't happen ( not to mention the pro 40 games ) , our domestic 20/20 is now to be played primarily on Friday evenings throughout the season instead of over a fixed week or two ....I can't see how you could accommodate what you suggest ....unless you were to scrap the longer form of limited overs cricket ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 21:36:24 GMT
Giles, Test match Coach? No way. Giles ODI Coach? No way. Giles T 20 Coach?No way. But you just know, the powers that be, will fuck it up and appoint him for all 3. That is what worries me as well, I can see the same thing happening myself ...
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Post by redsaturday on Mar 31, 2014 22:01:46 GMT
We are so focused on test cricket (which I love) that in my opinion we treat one day cricket as a bit of a side show. This is evident in County t20 where crowds are getting smaller. The top players in the world don't come to play in the English tournament because it's not as good along with the money. We need to allocate time in the year where there's no test or County cricket so our best players can play consistent t20 cricket A good point that you make.....but due to the heavy schedule of international cricket and county championship cricket that won't happen ( not to mention the pro 40 games ) , our domestic 20/20 is now to be played primarily on Friday evenings throughout the season instead of over a fixed week or two ....I can't see how you could accommodate what you suggest ....unless you were to scrap the longer form of limited overs cricket ? How many people actually go and watch 4 day or 40 over cricket. The ecb is all about tradition, look at the dullard who's England head coach, let's roll with the times give people what they want. Generate money, fans sponsors inspire youngsters. Start the season with a straight knockout pro 40. Then a t20 series. Then 4 day for the rest of the season. Plenty of time if there are less pro 40 in shorter time period.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 22:31:54 GMT
A good point that you make.....but due to the heavy schedule of international cricket and county championship cricket that won't happen ( not to mention the pro 40 games ) , our domestic 20/20 is now to be played primarily on Friday evenings throughout the season instead of over a fixed week or two ....I can't see how you could accommodate what you suggest ....unless you were to scrap the longer form of limited overs cricket ? How many people actually go and watch 4 day or 40 over cricket. The ecb is all about tradition, look at the dullard who's England head coach, let's roll with the times give people what they want. Generate money, fans sponsors inspire youngsters. Start the season with a straight knockout pro 40. Then a t20 series. Then 4 day for the rest of the season. Plenty of time if there are less pro 40 in shorter time period. Tradition is what Test Cricket is all about though mate ....and at the end of the day Test cricket is the ultimate form of the game ....it's been donkey's years since people went to watch championship cricket mate ....But it's essential that that the ecb supports it .....from the championship is where you get the future Test players ....not from 20 over cricket and if you look at it closely , I think the shine and novelty has gone from 20/20 in this country ....I'm not sure the people really want it as much as you think in England .... If you have this set up,when do you play your international one day games ? ....then how do you fit seven test matches into the season ?
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 1, 2014 6:14:25 GMT
I think the issue is central contracts. Combine that with what seems to be a reluctance to drop anyone from the first team (apart from the recent panic changes when the wheels came flying off the wagon in Australia) and you have a big problem.
Broad used the word complacency yesterday to explain the defeat and he was right. The media misunderstood the nature of the complacency though. They thought he was taking the Dutch opponents for granted, whereas it was the players own places in the upcoming summer internationals that they were complacent about.
Not saying we go back to picking players test by test, but if they produce poor form for an entire series, they should be dropped. Go back to county cricket and sort your form out. For example Prior; played through the whole of 2013 producing absolutely nothing on the back of his performances in 2012.
Test cricket selection has to be based on merit - not longevity or whether your face fits.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 9:10:15 GMT
I think the issue is central contracts. Combine that with what seems to be a reluctance to drop anyone from the first team (apart from the recent panic changes when the wheels came flying off the wagon in Australia) and you have a big problem. Broad used the word complacency yesterday to explain the defeat and he was right. The media misunderstood the nature of the complacency though. They thought he was taking the Dutch opponents for granted, whereas it was the players own places in the upcoming summer internationals that they were complacent about. Not saying we go back to picking players test by test, but if they produce poor form for an entire series, they should be dropped. Go back to county cricket and sort your form out. For example Prior; played through the whole of 2013 producing absolutely nothing on the back of his performances in 2012. Test cricket selection has to be based on merit - not longevity or whether your face fits. I think that you have hit the nail on the head there ....since the advent of central contracts it has been increasingly difficult for players who perform well in county cricket to break into the England team....while it has definitely had some benefits the " Team England " ethic has certainly gone some way into developing into a " clique" once you are in it's hard to get out !
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 1, 2014 14:19:09 GMT
Any of the selectors who decide to pick Dernnbach in the future,should be arrested,thrown into cells and beaten with a cricket bat. PS, Don't let any of the present players use the bat though,because they cant beat anybody.
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 1, 2014 16:40:02 GMT
Any of you folks find this interview with Alistair Cook depressing. Two things Alistair Say it as it is. The winter wasn't "tough"; it was fucking shit, a disgrace, a disaster, an embarrassment. And recognising that, you say all players, including yourself, are on notice to sort it out. We will NO longer carry passengers. Sacking Pietersen didn't take guts; keeping him onside and in the team is where your guts, not to say management skills, are involved. Case in point - look at David Warner; one management team couldn't manage him and sent him of to Zimbabwe at the start of an Ashes series. In comes new management and they bring him back into the fold and he repays them by helping them achieve some great success. Notice the difference; bad management blames staff. A Cook / Giles "leadership" team has to be one of the limpest pairings of all time.
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Post by liathroid on Apr 1, 2014 18:32:14 GMT
dont worry they beat us aswell Ireland
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 18:34:28 GMT
Ireland Sorry I didn't know you were an Ireland supporter fair play to them
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 16:06:05 GMT
Sri Lanka through to the final, they were my picks at the start and still remain my pick now. Even though Senanayake is a chucker.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 4, 2014 15:18:42 GMT
Would love to see these bunch of losers take on the England womans team,the men would win I'm sure, but I would think the women would give the men a better game, than the men gave the Dutch.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 15:39:15 GMT
Would love to see these bunch of losers take on the England womans team,the men would win I'm sure, but I would think the women would give the men a better game, than the men gave the Dutch. Be careful ....we cant afford to descend to any greater depths !
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Post by ukcstokie on Apr 6, 2014 0:34:01 GMT
Here's my team to face Sri Lanka for the Test series at the start of June:
Cook TBA Trott Bell Taylor Stokes Ali Prior Borthwick Broad Anderson
All apart from Broad, Stokes and Cook I'd expect to prove themselves in the County game with early season form.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 1:40:54 GMT
Here's my team to face Sri Lanka for the Test series at the start of June: Cook TBA Trott Bell Taylor Stokes Ali Prior Borthwick Broad Anderson All apart from Broad, Stokes and Cook I'd expect to prove themselves in the County game with early season form. Who is Ali in at seven mate ? ...that's a very thin bowling attack IMHO .......if Root is not available , who is going to open ? I may be tempted to give Compton another go ....but long term I can't see them going that way
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Post by ukcstokie on Apr 6, 2014 9:19:57 GMT
Here's my team to face Sri Lanka for the Test series at the start of June: Cook TBA Trott Bell Taylor Stokes Ali Prior Borthwick Broad Anderson All apart from Broad, Stokes and Cook I'd expect to prove themselves in the County game with early season form. Who is Ali in at seven mate ? ...that's a very thin bowling attack IMHO .......if Root is not available , who is going to open ? I may be tempted to give Compton another go ....but long term I can't see them going that way
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 6, 2014 11:43:46 GMT
Here's my team to face Sri Lanka for the Test series at the start of June: Cook TBA Trott Bell Taylor Stokes Ali Prior Borthwick Broad Anderson All apart from Broad, Stokes and Cook I'd expect to prove themselves in the County game with early season form. Push Ali up to open, stick Balance or Morgan in the middle order. Root at three (assuming he is fit). Get shot of Trott and Prior. For a w/c I'd use James Foster as a stop gap until Butler is ready. Otherwise, good to go!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 16:55:46 GMT
Sri Lanka win, my picks, well done!
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