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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 22, 2014 18:29:45 GMT
I'm caught in two minds here tbh. Racism is obviously abhorrent, wrong and never to be tolerated. But if You put Yourself on a pedestal and are there to be shot down and then are, should You whinge? I guess what I'm saying is I'd wish he'd handle differently, pass their names onto the police (I wouldn't, it wouldn't bother me) and let them crack on with it. But obviously Collymore disagrees and fair play to him for doing it this way, it's just not what I'd do. Piers Morgan's part in all of this is nauseating too. You wouldn't report repeated death threats to the police? By morons on the Internet? Nah, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest tbh. Now if vile things arrived in the post, I would and by vile I don't mean letters I mean envelopes of shit or something.
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Post by ST5-POTTER on Jan 22, 2014 18:36:39 GMT
It's absolutely disgusting.
Plain and simple and anyone who thinks its justifiable on the basis that Stan has done stuff in the past is for me just as bad as the people doing it because that's probably why he gets most of the abuse because people think it's OK to give it to him because he's been on the wrong side of the law.
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Post by kylelightbourne on Jan 22, 2014 18:36:51 GMT
You wouldn't report repeated death threats to the police? By morons on the Internet? Nah, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest tbh. Now if vile things arrived in the post, I would and by vile I don't mean letters I mean envelopes of shit or something. I know what you mean, it's obvious they aren't going to actually murder him. But I'd still like to see the cunts get what they deserve if they were going to the lengths of threatening me with death.
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Post by skip on Jan 22, 2014 18:39:21 GMT
Collymore has talked openly about his mental health issues and how it caused him to react irrationally and occasionally violently. He's recovered, intelligent and articulate. His calling out of footballing cheats is brave and it's about time given the likes of Gary Neville who I thought was a breath of fresh air on Sky Football but who is quickly falling foul (ho ho!) of believing his own myth.
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Post by harryburrows on Jan 22, 2014 18:40:21 GMT
Media tart and ex journeyman footballer slams "Twitter Trolls" in attempt to revive fail media career He was quoted as saying "It's OK for me to slag people off and call them a cheat on twitter but the little people should understand that they can't answer back" Hardly a journeyman footballer , colly was a very good striker
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 22, 2014 18:40:32 GMT
By morons on the Internet? Nah, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest tbh. Now if vile things arrived in the post, I would and by vile I don't mean letters I mean envelopes of shit or something. I know what you mean, it's obvious they aren't going to actually murder him. But I'd still like to see the cunts get what they deserve if they were going to the lengths of threatening me with death. I don't think they are going to lengths tbh (and that's not me saying it's right, it isn't). If You're on there anyway and are a cunt, You're away, easy. Now if it some obsessive piece of shit who was constantly at it, then I would do, that's weird.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2014 9:15:37 GMT
Collymore's deleted his Twatter, he's proper let them win now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 9:34:12 GMT
Collymore's deleted his Twatter, he's proper let them win now. he deleted it because talksport issued a statement yesterday saying that they (and all of their presenters) will not promote or mention the name of twitter on any of their shows or any of their online media until twitter take what they deem to be appropriate action (rather than coming out with worthless soundbites) and they suggested that their presenters desist from using twitter completely until twitter take some action.they're doing it because they are the largest sport radio station in the world and they don't want to have any part in promoting it anymore until they actually take some responsibility for what they are simply just allowing to happen and let people currently get away with. also (you mentioned in one of your previous posts about Collymore dealing with it better - passing info onto the police and leaving it at that), collymore actually said that he HAS passed previous information onto the police about racist abuse he's suffered on there and the reason he has spoken out now is because he did so over 6 weeks ago to the Staffordshire police who have contacted twitter for the details of the perpetrators and the police have heard nothing back at all from twitter. collymore therefore spoke out about these more recent abuses because twitters official comment relating to this incident said they have a 24 hour turnaround policy of responding to complaints relating to abuse and he wanted to show that this is just a pathetic get out clause/soundbite by twitter and a policy that they don't follow through at all...he basically wanted to show that twitter are lying about how firm handed they claim to be as they have done sod all about what he reported weeks ago despite the fact that it was the police that he did just leave to handle it back then. i don't blame Collymore in any way, shape or form at all. he tried dealing with it privately and letting the police handle it previously and it didn't work and now twitter are trying to cover their backs by just reading out what it says is their policy even though in reality they don't actually do what they say they will. a 32 billion dollar company who is happy to take the money from ads (and that revenue is purely generated because the amount of people there are on twitter) but feel they have to have no responsibility towards those people whatsoever in terms of protecting them from abuse is ridiculous and a disgrace. he also made it very clear that he is not doing it because of "Stan Collymore"...as he said, if boy George and tom daley want to come out and say "Oh just ignore it" then that's fine for them, they are celebrities with a lot of people around them to big them up and let them know the abuse is unwarranted and rubbish but what about younger members of the public who may be struggling with their sexuality/racism from other quarters in their life? they don't have the support network of dozens of "Yes men" who will back them up in private and make them feel better about themselves. it's simply about protection of the people THEY need to make this business work...if they didn't have the customers then they wouldn't get the ads they need to create revenue. they simply HAVE to start taking some responsibility towards their customers. as Collymore said, if it's illegal then it's illegal (and racial abuse is), whether the target is a celebrity or not (and there are plenty of Joe Publics out there that have to suffer this kind of abuse and these kind of death threats) is completely and entirely irrelevant but unfortunately unless it's a celebrity that comes out and says something about it then the issue won't get into the public domain and it will just continue as it is which, quite simply, it can't and shouldn't. he is simply using his profile to highlight a problem that many many people have complained about already but nothing has been made of it before because they're just "Normal" people so therefore no-one, including the media, seem to care. fair play to him and i'm 100% behind him to be fair.
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Post by underdog on Jan 23, 2014 9:36:30 GMT
Personal abuse of any kind, in any format, in any forum is wrong.....end of. There is a law against it, think it's the malicious communications act or summat like that and it should be used...been there me sen, went to the coppers about it and they sorted it out. Should be just the same for Stan, celebrity or otherwise. Let's not forget, he was some striker in his time...we could do with him now.
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Post by mcf on Jan 23, 2014 9:46:27 GMT
i feel sorry for all those that are abusing him on twatter.....they all have mental issues too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 9:51:13 GMT
i feel sorry for all those that are abusing him on twatter.....they all have mental issues too. i could have told you that as soon as i found out their usernames contained "LFC"
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2014 9:52:30 GMT
So not only have they won, we've all won as Talksport fucks off the Internet!
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Post by skemstokie on Jan 23, 2014 9:58:52 GMT
Collymore's deleted his Twatter, he's proper let them win now. he deleted it because talksport issued a statement yesterday saying that they (and all of their presenters) will not promote or mention the name of twitter on any of their shows or any of their online media until twitter take what they deem to be appropriate action (rather than coming out with worthless soundbites) and they suggested that their presenters desist from using twitter completely until twitter take some action.they're doing it because they are the largest sport radio station in the world and they don't want to have any part in promoting it anymore until they actually take some responsibility for what they are simply just allowing to happen and let people currently get away with. also (you mentioned in one of your previous posts about Collymore dealing with it better - passing info onto the police and leaving it at that), collymore actually said that he HAS passed previous information onto the police about racist abuse he's suffered on there and the reason he has spoken out now is because he did so over 6 weeks ago to the Staffordshire police who have contacted twitter for the details of the perpetrators and the police have heard nothing back at all from twitter. collymore therefore spoke out about these more recent abuses because twitters official comment relating to this incident said they have a 24 hour turnaround policy of responding to complaints relating to abuse and he wanted to show that this is just a pathetic get out clause/soundbite by twitter and a policy that they don't follow through at all...he basically wanted to show that twitter are lying about how firm handed they claim to be as they have done sod all about what he reported weeks ago despite the fact that it was the police that he did just leave to handle it back then. i don't blame Collymore in any way, shape or form at all. he tried dealing with it privately and letting the police handle it previously and it didn't work and now twitter are trying to cover their backs by just reading out what it says is their policy even though in reality they don't actually do what they say they will. a 32 billion dollar company who is happy to take the money from ads (and that revenue is purely generated because the amount of people there are on twitter) but feel they have to have no responsibility towards those people whatsoever in terms of protecting them from abuse is ridiculous and a disgrace. he also made it very clear that he is not doing it because of "Stan Collymore"...as he said, if boy George and tom daley want to come out and say "Oh just ignore it" then that's fine for them, they are celebrities with a lot of people around them to big them up and let them know the abuse is unwarranted and rubbish but what about younger members of the public who may be struggling with their sexuality/racism from other quarters in their life? they don't have the support network of dozens of "Yes men" who will back them up in private and make them feel better about themselves. it's simply about protection of the people THEY need to make this business work...if they didn't have the customers then they wouldn't get the ads they need to create revenue. they simply HAVE to start taking some responsibility towards their customers. as Collymore said, if it's illegal then it's illegal (and racial abuse is), whether the target is a celebrity or not (and there are plenty of Joe Publics out there that have to suffer this kind of abuse and these kind of death threats) is completely and entirely irrelevant but unfortunately unless it's a celebrity that comes out and says something about it then the issue won't get into the public domain and it will just continue as it is which, quite simply, it can't and shouldn't. he is simply using his profile to highlight a problem that many many people have complained about already but nothing has been made of it before because they're just "Normal" people so therefore no-one, including the media, seem to care. fair play to him and i'm 100% behind him to be fair. Got to say you have put in a coherent statement exactly how I feel.What really gets me is not just they think they have the right to abuse Stan for his comments without re-course but that they are so blinkered that they cannot recognise that cheating/diving call what you will is a cancer within football.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 10:03:55 GMT
to be honest skem i can't take any credit for how coherent it is, all i've basically done is repeat what Collymore said himself on talksport yesterday in an interview (simply because many may not have heard it and it actually addresses 2 of bayern's points directly so thought he may find it of interest....i never knew about the previous complaint he handed to the police either until he mentioned it last night). he's handled it very well with dignity and extremely articulately. in general i think he's a cock myself but on this matter he's shown himself to be a very clever, responsible,articulate, well reasoned and dignified cock so i take my hat off to him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2014 10:45:12 GMT
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Post by unknown182 on Jan 23, 2014 10:46:49 GMT
She must have a book out and needs some publicity.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jan 23, 2014 10:48:12 GMT
I'm caught in two minds here tbh. Racism is obviously abhorrent, wrong and never to be tolerated. But if You put Yourself on a pedestal and are there to be shot down and then are, should You whinge? I guess what I'm saying is I'd wish he'd handle differently, pass their names onto the police (I wouldn't, it wouldn't bother me) and let them crack on with it. But obviously Collymore disagrees and fair play to him for doing it this way, it's just not what I'd do. Piers Morgan's part in all of this is nauseating too. I heard him on 5live yesterday morning - he was saying that the police are more than up for going after the perpetrators but that in the past 6 months or so twitter have started dragging their heels over handing over information to rozzers, thus him publicising the matter to try and put pressure on twatter to cooperate with them. It's not just about Collymore but a wider issue.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2014 11:01:56 GMT
I'm caught in two minds here tbh. Racism is obviously abhorrent, wrong and never to be tolerated. But if You put Yourself on a pedestal and are there to be shot down and then are, should You whinge? I guess what I'm saying is I'd wish he'd handle differently, pass their names onto the police (I wouldn't, it wouldn't bother me) and let them crack on with it. But obviously Collymore disagrees and fair play to him for doing it this way, it's just not what I'd do. Piers Morgan's part in all of this is nauseating too. I heard him on 5live yesterday morning - he was saying that the police are more than up for going after the perpetrators but that in the past 6 months or so twitter have started dragging their heels over handing over information to rozzers, thus him publicising the matter to try and put pressure on twatter to cooperate with them. It's not just about Collymore but a wider issue. I aren't surprised by their stance tbh however wrong it is, I don't think they'll budge much.
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Post by Onneravineet on Jan 23, 2014 11:23:55 GMT
Media tart and ex journeyman footballer slams "Twitter Trolls" in attempt to revive fail media career He was quoted as saying "It's OK for me to slag people off and call them a cheat on twitter but the little people should understand that they can't answer back" Failed Media career? Stan? He is probably the best around, if not he is in the top 3 for me. If his career was failing then his boss, the chap in charge of the BIGGEST sports radio station in the world would not have just backed his man and pulled ALL support for Twitter. I really can't see how you can defend the shit that has been aimed at him or even suggest his reaction to the filth he has had slung at him as a media stunt.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 23, 2014 11:32:54 GMT
The dirty racist bin dippers win. Collymore has deleted his account. It's a sad day really. Racists win, Kick It Out lose.
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Post by mcf on Jan 23, 2014 11:40:41 GMT
Indeed.
This really is right up there as one of the great atrocities of the modern world.
He smashes a woman black and blue and then gets on his high horse when abused himself.
Stop inciting fans on your show if you are that fucking bothered.
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Post by Onneravineet on Jan 23, 2014 13:03:57 GMT
I'm caught in two minds here tbh. Racism is obviously abhorrent, wrong and never to be tolerated. But if You put Yourself on a pedestal and are there to be shot down and then are, should You whinge? I guess what I'm saying is I'd wish he'd handle differently, pass their names onto the police (I wouldn't, it wouldn't bother me) and let them crack on with it. But obviously Collymore disagrees and fair play to him for doing it this way, it's just not what I'd do. Piers Morgan's part in all of this is nauseating too. Sorry Bayern I don't agree with you at all here. So, as his job puts him in the public eye to those that follow sport, football in the main, that to receive the dogs abuse he has it is somehow to be expected? You seriously can't say that, can you? This story got picked up by the media after Stan retweeted the abuse he had received to name and shame the morons that had sent it. This led to more and more, supposed and alleged Liverpool fans, sending more abuse as Stan had replied to one of the tweets with "You'll Never Walk Alone"... This incensed more fans who felt he was tarring all Liverpool fans with the same brush..which then ironically they too waded in slagging him to the same extent, also on account of being morons.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 23, 2014 13:07:07 GMT
Indeed. This really is right up there as one of the great atrocities of the modern world. He smashes a woman black and blue and then gets on his high horse when abused himself. Stop inciting fans on your show if you are that fucking bothered. So you're bringing up something that happened 15 years ago to justify something that happened a week ago. Nice.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 23, 2014 13:09:09 GMT
Indeed. This really is right up there as one of the great atrocities of the modern world. He smashes a woman black and blue and then gets on his high horse when abused himself. Stop inciting fans on your show if you are that fucking bothered. Unbelievable...seriously.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2014 13:09:38 GMT
I'm caught in two minds here tbh. Racism is obviously abhorrent, wrong and never to be tolerated. But if You put Yourself on a pedestal and are there to be shot down and then are, should You whinge? I guess what I'm saying is I'd wish he'd handle differently, pass their names onto the police (I wouldn't, it wouldn't bother me) and let them crack on with it. But obviously Collymore disagrees and fair play to him for doing it this way, it's just not what I'd do. Piers Morgan's part in all of this is nauseating too. Sorry Bayern I don't agree with you at all here. So, as his job puts him in the public eye to those that follow sport, football in the main, that to receive the dogs abuse he has it is somehow to be expected? You seriously can't say that, can you? This story got picked up by the media after Stan retweeted the abuse he had received to name and shame the morons that had sent it. This led to more and more, supposed and alleged Liverpool fans, sending more abuse as Stan had replied to one of the tweets with "You'll Never Walk Alone"... This incensed more fans who felt he was tarring all Liverpool fans with the same brush..which then ironically they too waded in slagging him to the same extent, also on account of being morons. With the show he's on and their and his controversial style then yeah the ability to take abuse would be useful. In an ideal world nobody should be abused but we don't live in an ideal world and it will always happen. But deleting his Twitter and going on what seems like a little breakdown shows to me at least that the abusers have won, that's wrong. I bet they're laughing their tits off. I aren't saying it's right but is it to be expected? Well yeah. It's how he's dealing with it where I have my concerns. He's letting these numbskulls win.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2014 13:14:11 GMT
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Post by Onneravineet on Jan 23, 2014 13:21:58 GMT
Fair enough Bayern. For me, the type of abuse he has had, ranging to death threats, is a disgrace. Calling him a dickhead etc, would be fair enough and I could see where you were coming from if it had been to that extent.
Personally, I think he tried to raise attention to a couple of idiots, who were then the minority of a minority, by retweeting their moronic insults. However by adding YNWA at the end he incensed hundreds who jumped on the band wagon, plus the normal no mark trolls who probably waded in when it trended.
Now to delete the account further raises the profile of the situation. Racially aggravated assault is what it is and the idiots who did it need pulling up and dealing with. Otherwise where do you draw the line? It's ok to grope or rape a page 3 girl? (MASSIVE exaggeration I know). As for the breakdown, it is well documented he has mental illness issues and suffers severely with depression so something like this could be damaging to him I suppose.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2014 13:27:13 GMT
It's way over the top but if it was me I honestly wouldn't give a shit unless it got too close to home or obsessive.
He's doing what he thinks is right and I respect him for that but it's just not what I'd do and that's how I try to judge things. And he does and I bet some are pushing it just to try and get this exact sort of reaction (and more) from him, it's another reason I aren't sure about his reaction. He's just playing into their hands.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 23, 2014 13:29:33 GMT
woman beater lives by the sword but doesn't want to die by it how unusual So its justifiable for people to send him pictures of black people hung from trees, because they disagree with his opinion? I go on boxing sites and the racism on there is unbelievable. There are too many internet hard men who are threatening from a safe distance.
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Post by mcf on Jan 23, 2014 13:36:18 GMT
He gets paid to stir the shit and court controversy.
When it goes against him (and I absolutely don't agree with some of the stuff aimed at him) then he cries like a fucking baby and takes his ball home.
In short, he can fuck off.
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