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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 19, 2014 10:33:19 GMT
In the cold light of day and for the first time this season I would point some accusing fingers in the direction of Mark Hughes.
We all knew what we were going to face yesterday. There were no surprises.
A flat back 10, force the game to become scrappy, try to nick a goal from a set piece or mistake and eliminate all space forcing the opposition to play in front of them for 90 minutes.
That is exactly how it turned out so what did Mark Hughes do...pick the slowest, most immobile team we could field.
We dominated possession and large parts of the gane but never looked like we were going to score.
We needed movement, guile, creativity and some pace and we offered only Assaidi.
Arnie should have started, Ireland should have started, Guidetti should have started.
I've seen criticism of N'zonzi and Whelan but they did their job.
We dominated possession and looked solid defensively (another individual error gifting them a goal from nothing) but they just never have an option to pass too.
Walters and Crouch are total passengers and Adam, as much as he really tries to make things happen, just isn't good enough to operate in a game where the opposition will deny him time. His legs don't work.
I'm still very disappointed. Disappointed with Hughes, disappointed with lots of our players and disappointed with myself for not putting every penny I have on Palace winning 1-0!
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Post by werrington on Jan 19, 2014 10:48:42 GMT
Two performances have given me grave concerns Dave
Yesterday and Norwich at home ....alarming but we knew it was goong to be difficult
It doesn't excuse them though
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 19, 2014 10:55:19 GMT
The thing is, it was a big one yesterday and that performance was verging on the disgusting
There were a lot of very annoyed Stokies and some very pissed ones on the concourse halfway through the second half who had just had enough
There were also a lot who were talking amongst themselves and stating sod this, we are not going away again
Some very committed mid fifty chaps who I see at most away games even got hold of a steward to let them out so they could go back to Spoons
A very worrying trend
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Post by liamo on Jan 19, 2014 10:57:50 GMT
Completely agree, under Pulis we were constantly undone by pacy players and fast movement of the ball, we played like many teams played against us last year and we played right into Tone's hands
We dominated possession in areas that don't matter because they pulled men back and tried to hit us on the break, just like we attempted under Pulis
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 11:00:20 GMT
I totally agree with the original post. Martinez always showed how you defeat pulis ball. He always sought to stretch the game as much as possible, often playing 3 quick players in attack against us, two of them playing in between our centre backs and full backs each side, making themselves available and getting into one-on-one situations with our defenders as much as possible.
You need to counter pulisball by playing all of your quick attackers and pushing them right up, stretching the game and relying on the fact that any pulis side will lack attacking guile or a midfield that can dominate possession.
we played right in to their hands.
the only point I disagree with is nzonzi. He is absolutely wank and I would happily see him 'fucked off' away from the club. if we can get a few million for him and replace him with a player who will get up and down the pitch and play with some sense of urgency then we must do it. we are seriously lacking a proper anchor to the midfield who can turnover possession and press the other team. time and time again we sit too far off the other team, giving them all the time in the world to pick a pass to their 'pacy' attacking players and putting our back line into very difficult situations.
Whelan has been decent for me since he returned.
the reast of midfield and attack are complete dross and should take a serious look at themselves
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Jan 19, 2014 11:00:58 GMT
Completely agree, under Pulis we were constantly undone by pacy players and fast movement of the ball, we played like many teams played against us last year and we played right into Tone's hands We dominated possession in areas that don't matter because they pulled men back and tried to hit us on the break, just like we attempted under Pulis Correct me if I'm wrong but apart from assaidi and a non match fit guidetti and half arsed Arnie where are these pacy players in our squad
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 11:04:35 GMT
Completely agree, under Pulis we were constantly undone by pacy players and fast movement of the ball, we played like many teams played against us last year and we played right into Tone's hands We dominated possession in areas that don't matter because they pulled men back and tried to hit us on the break, just like we attempted under Pulis Correct me if I'm wrong but apart from assaidi and a non match fit guidetti and half arsed Arnie where are these pacy players in our squad Palace's centre backs are so slow and cumbersome they make Walters look like Linford Christie. We desperately need more pace but would still have had more joy playing our 'quicker' players and pushing them further up
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 11:04:49 GMT
Next four matches are critical. Continue to give goals away in the manner that we currently are then it'll turn nasty and rightly so.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 19, 2014 11:08:28 GMT
Next four matches are critical. Continue to give goals away in the manner that we currently are then it'll turn nasty and rightly so. And you can't wait. You're the worst Stoke fan on the planet.
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Jan 19, 2014 11:09:33 GMT
Everyone on here wanted to see Crystal Pulis beaten more than most other teams, for various reasons depending on the various viewpoints, all of them obvious enough and likely to be debated at enormous and boring lengths.
So this defeat hurts more than the usual ones....it hurts to see our old manager showing us up for how bad we can be right now. But it's done for the year.
It's a humiliation like this that makes a team either grow proper balls or fall to bits. So they'd better grow some balls or they'll all be playing for teams in Division 2 (except for Arno, who'll be in an Austrian amateur team or something). I haven't seen anything that suggests they can't achieve it, just as I've seen plenty that suggests they could sink, Hughes included. Everyone's ripping the team to bits this week, and rightly so, but some proper team spirit against Chelski would change the atmosphere fast.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 11:10:25 GMT
Next four matches are critical. Continue to give goals away in the manner that we currently are then it'll turn nasty and rightly so. And you can't wait. You're the worst Stoke fan on the planet. Get a fcuking life for gods sake. Wake up and smell the fcuking coffee.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 19, 2014 11:10:29 GMT
You can say a lot about Adam and he is slow, but despite this he is our most creative player and the player most likely to score! I can also clearly see that Crouch is a talented player, but he is incredibly slow and we certainly need another option. Hindsight is of course an easy way of getting around a problem, but our lack of pace with Crouch and Walters up front is alarming! We are said to be lookig for a right back and I guess the thought is to put Geoff in as the right sided midfielder or maybe even in one of the central positions.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 19, 2014 11:12:50 GMT
And you can't wait. You're the worst Stoke fan on the planet. Get a fcuking life for gods sake. Wake up and smell the fcuking coffee. I woke up and smelled it 3 years ago mate when the seeds of the current mess were sown. Pity the rest of you herberts were to carried away with getting to 40 points a season. The whole of the club needs to get their acts together - Bet365, Coates, Scholes, Hughes and his entourage of coaches, the players and the fans.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 19, 2014 11:13:35 GMT
Now I have slept on, if we cared to look at ANY other fan forum from years gone by following a game agaisnt a Tony Pulis stoke side it would be almost carbon copy of this site today. We were out Stoke'd. A bit difficult to swallow but this is exactly what it is. Now Mr Pulis has had his thanks and gratitude, and we have had our noses bloodied but our former charge. It is now time for every Stokie to a man, to unite and get behind OUR club.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 11:17:06 GMT
Get a fcuking life for gods sake. Wake up and smell the fcuking coffee. I woke up and smelled it 3 years ago mate when the seeds of the current mess were sown. Pity the rest of you herberts were to carried away with getting to 40 points a season. The whole of the club needs to get their acts together - Bet365, Coates, Scholes, Hughes and his entourage of coaches, the players and the fans. 40 points is needed every season. That is the basic requirement which sadly looks beyond our club at the moment. I'll cling to the positives that hugest has brought with him.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 19, 2014 11:20:43 GMT
Right now I'll surely take 40 points if it was on offer!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 11:24:34 GMT
Right now I'll surely take 40 points if it was on offer! Now now now stop talking so defeatist.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 19, 2014 11:27:51 GMT
Right now I'll surely take 40 points if it was on offer! Now now now stop talking so defeatist. 1 point out of 15 for the last 5 games! Says a lot really!
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 19, 2014 12:18:42 GMT
That is exactly how it turned out so what did Mark Hughes do...pick the slowest, most immobile team we could field. Because that's what Pulis left him with, just a thought like. Gouranga.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jan 19, 2014 12:23:51 GMT
That is exactly how it turned out so what did Mark Hughes do...pick the slowest, most immobile team we could field. Because that's what Pulis left him with, just a thought like. Gouranga. Here we go again "this is what Pulis left him bollocks" I repeat "I'm very happy with what i've found at the club in every aspect" May 29th to Jan 18th = Hughes team
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 19, 2014 12:28:26 GMT
Because that's what Pulis left him with, just a thought like. Gouranga. Here we go again "this is what Pulis left him bollocks" I repeat "I'm very happy with what i've found at the club in every aspect" May 29th to Jan 18th = Hughes team And rightly, he isn't going to come out and say "they're slow and pretty piss poor footballers" is he? The truth as ever lies somewhere in the middle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 12:29:04 GMT
I want to hear Yes we have a problem in defence but we are bringing X or Y player in to cure it. So all you itk people why am I not hearing anything, why isn't Mark Hughes banging on some good quality defenders door this morning and a pacey strikers door this afternoon and offering what it takes to bring him to Stoke. All I hear are vague rumours , ifs and maybes. With other clubs it's one day linked the next day signed. Every week we fail to address the problem is another game where the opposition manager will take FULL advantage of CLEAR weaknesses just like TP has done. PC needs to come out and say Yes were sorting it and Mark has the money or no were screwed and we have to fight (go down) with what we have.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 19, 2014 12:30:31 GMT
Because that's what Pulis left him with, just a thought like. Gouranga. Here we go again "this is what Pulis left him bollocks" I repeat "I'm very happy with what i've found at the club in every aspect" May 29th to Jan 18th = Hughes team What else would you expect him to say? And you seem too have changed your tune over Pulis. Gouranga.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 19, 2014 12:32:00 GMT
Because that's what Pulis left him with, just a thought like. Gouranga. Here we go again "this is what Pulis left him bollocks" I repeat "I'm very happy with what i've found at the club in every aspect" May 29th to Jan 18th = Hughes team Perhaps he thought an expensively-assembled bunch of Premiership players could perform the basics of the game?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 12:39:19 GMT
Of course he isnt happy with what Pulis left him with. It's written all over his face and the fact he's come out and said it means the total opposite in manager speak!
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Jan 19, 2014 12:59:15 GMT
Here we go again "this is what Pulis left him bollocks" I repeat "I'm very happy with what i've found at the club in every aspect" May 29th to Jan 18th = Hughes team What else would you expect him to say? And you seem too have changed your tune over Pulis. Gouranga. My tune hasn't changed at all Albert.It was time for him to go like i said at the time BUT this is now Hughes team and he should be held accountable for results.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 19, 2014 13:01:54 GMT
We need at least FOUR GOOD PLAYERS to move this team forward and it would cost money that the chairmen seems reluctant to spend. The obvious answer in that case is to find a new owner, if one is around. What about this Chinese geezer who's looking at Southampton? Failing this we will have to accept that we are going nowhere fast!
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Post by metalhead on Jan 19, 2014 13:07:16 GMT
Yesterday was a really ropey performance, but apart from Norwich and Spurs I can't think of a game this season where I've been so dejected. At the end of the day, I think Pulis knew what was coming and I think Sparky wasn't inventive enough with his decision making, but you can't blame the defeat on the manager. The fact is, 1 goal won it, and it was a horror show. You can't blame Sparky for that I'm afraid.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 19, 2014 13:07:29 GMT
Yesterday was a really ropey performance, but apart from Norwich and Spurs I can't think of a game this season where I've been so dejected. At the end of the day, I think Pulis knew what was coming and I think Sparky wasn't inventive enough with his decision making, but you can't blame the defeat on the manager. The fact is, 1 goal won it, and it was a horror show. You can't blame Sparky for that I'm afraid.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 19, 2014 13:37:11 GMT
What else would you expect him to say? And you seem too have changed your tune over Pulis. Gouranga. My tune hasn't changed at all Albert.It was time for him to go like i said at the time BUT this is now Hughes team and he should be held accountable for results. BUT this is not Hughes team its predominantly Pulis team with a couple of Hughes signings trying to change the Pulisball mind-set. Gouranga.
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