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Post by unknown182 on Jan 6, 2014 20:27:52 GMT
twitter.com/jesus15g14/status/420246684552421376
Posted this earlier but this guy says he's training with Agudelo tomorrow in Aberdeen. Not sure what to make of it, loan move perhaps?.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jan 6, 2014 20:43:52 GMT
twitter.com/jesus15g14/status/420246684552421376 Posted this earlier but this guy says he's training with Agudelo tomorrow in Aberdeen. Not sure what to make of it, loan move perhaps?. Are Scotland exempt from the work permit rules?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 6, 2014 20:47:44 GMT
twitter.com/jesus15g14/status/420246684552421376 Posted this earlier but this guy says he's training with Agudelo tomorrow in Aberdeen. Not sure what to make of it, loan move perhaps?. Are Scotland exempt from the work permit rules? Not exempt - but their FA work permit panel may take a different (softer) line on who is eligible or not. The decision to grant or not grant a work permit for footballers (on appeal) seems to be very much hit and miss and depends upon who is on the panel hearing a particular case.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 20:50:13 GMT
Agudelo has been given the go ahead after revealing to the immigration service that his grandma was in fact a Romanian gypsy who once flirted with the idea of coming over to Britain to sell pegs and do palm readings on Blackpool sea front . He has therefore been given the go ahead to sign for Stoke but on condition that he does not set up a car wash business , carve kebabs , imprison native girls or rape them , and lastly that he does not go shoplifting in primark ...up Anley duck....
Any fucking abite or any contravention of this ruling could mean an automatic loan spell to Barnsley .....and who the fuck would want to play in that graveyard.....eh...?
Certainly no promising American footballer.....
....and I am unanimous....
Mumf
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Post by adi on Jan 6, 2014 22:26:24 GMT
Agudelo has been given the go ahead after revealing to the immigration service that his grandma was in fact a Romanian gypsy who once flirted with the idea of coming over to Britain to sell pegs and do palm readings on Blackpool sea front . He has therefore been given the go ahead to sign for Stoke but on condition that he does not set up a car wash business , carve kebabs , imprison native girls or rape them , and lastly that he does not go shoplifting in primark ...up Anley duck.... Any fucking abite or any contravention of this ruling could mean an automatic loan spell to Barnsley .....and who the fuck would want to play in that graveyard.....eh...? Certainly no promising American footballer..... ....and I am unanimous.... Mumf This is great news!!!
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Post by stokemanusa on Jan 7, 2014 4:29:35 GMT
Agudelo has been given the go ahead after revealing to the immigration service that his grandma was in fact a Romanian gypsy who once flirted with the idea of coming over to Britain to sell pegs and do palm readings on Blackpool sea front . He has therefore been given the go ahead to sign for Stoke but on condition that he does not set up a car wash business , carve kebabs , imprison native girls or rape them , and lastly that he does not go shoplifting in primark ...up Anley duck.... Any fucking abite or any contravention of this ruling could mean an automatic loan spell to Barnsley .....and who the fuck would want to play in that graveyard.....eh...? Certainly no promising American footballer..... ....and I am unanimous.... Mumf Brill mumf... just brill lol where's the fanboys now? Is his deal dead too!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 8, 2014 16:24:38 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 8, 2014 16:27:10 GMT
Grapey, do You know if the the original pre-contract he signed with us still stands despite the work permit rejection?
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Post by jeycov on Jan 8, 2014 16:27:24 GMT
I'm hopeful we will be successful with Agudelo.
This would be good news if true
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 8, 2014 16:29:43 GMT
MailStoke City are looking at signing Juan Agudelo finally then loaning him out to Belgium with Anderlecht an option for the US striker. Stoke were frustrated in their bid to sign the 21-year-old after being denied a work permit which surprised many in the club.
They have explored other ideas and a loan to Belgium seems the best solution. Agudelo has been in the crowd at recent Stoke games and is keen to realise a dream of playing in Europe
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 8, 2014 16:30:44 GMT
Agudelo has been given the go ahead after revealing to the immigration service that his grandma was in fact a Romanian gypsy who once flirted with the idea of coming over to Britain to sell pegs and do palm readings on Blackpool sea front . He has therefore been given the go ahead to sign for Stoke but on condition that he does not set up a car wash business , carve kebabs , imprison native girls or rape them , and lastly that he does not go shoplifting in primark ...up Anley duck.... Any fucking abite or any contravention of this ruling could mean an automatic loan spell to Barnsley .....and who the fuck would want to play in that graveyard.....eh...? Certainly no promising American footballer..... ....and I am unanimous.... Mumf Surely or is that Shirley, if his grandma was any good at palm reading, she would have read his and warned of the future problems? Also would he be allowed to go shoplifting in Matalan? Obviously not enough thought has gone into all this
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Post by unknown182 on Jan 9, 2014 11:38:12 GMT
Caused a bit of a stir on twitter last night complaining about MLS wages. I hope he doesn't let the money go to his head once he's over here.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 9, 2014 11:41:05 GMT
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Post by kenwyne on Jan 9, 2014 14:27:16 GMT
American journalist saying that Agudelo is contracted to us and we've been looking to loan him out with an option to recall if his work permit gets approved in March. Two teams in the Netherlands, Belgium, and another in Spain are interested already.
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Post by stokeyank on Jan 9, 2014 14:41:17 GMT
American journalist saying that Agudelo is contracted to us and we've been looking to loan him out with an option to recall if his work permit gets approved in March. Two teams in the Netherlands, Belgium, and another in Spain are interested already. Where did you read this? Just curious is all.
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Post by gonk on Jan 9, 2014 15:09:38 GMT
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Post by bolly_premprem on Jan 9, 2014 15:25:21 GMT
I dont pretend to understand the permit rules. But if Agudelo plays in the world cup, wont that make him eligible, so he could sign in the next window.
or is that over simplifying it
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 9, 2014 15:30:25 GMT
I dont pretend to understand the permit rules. But if Agudelo plays in the world cup, wont that make him eligible, so he could sign in the next window. or is that over simplifying it It's oversimplifying it. He needs to have played in 75% of the Yanks competitive games over the past two years to automatically qualify for a permit, so playing in the World Cup would go towards that but he wouldn't reach the limit because he hasn't played for them for years. But it'd help with any appeal I'd imagine
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 15:35:57 GMT
The rules for a work permit are: -
1) A player needs to have played 75% of competitive games for the National team over the past 2 years.
2) If a player doesn't meet the criteria of rule 1, he qualifies only if Man Utd or Chelsea want him.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jan 9, 2014 15:37:26 GMT
I dont pretend to understand the permit rules. But if Agudelo plays in the world cup, wont that make him eligible, so he could sign in the next window. or is that over simplifying it He is a long shot to even make the trip to Brazil. He did get called into the MLS player camp though, but only maybe three or four of those called into camp will play in the WC.
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Post by NML on Jan 9, 2014 16:22:14 GMT
Well he was originally in this January Camp, but he got removed from the list when it looked like his European future was figured out. Either it's not being revealed, or that was pre-mature. Agudelo jumped the gun a couple of weeks ago too when he tweeted that he had a new club in Europe, but took it down quickly. That was around Christmas.
He's a very, very long shot for the World Cup. The biggest issue is that he hasn't been with the national team in so long. We've got three European strikers who are locks; Jozy, Johannsson, and Terrance Boyd who plays in Austria. He's a better talent than Boyd, but Boyd has been with the team for just about every camp the past two years. Agudelo hasn't at all.
If he could get a loan done and get some playing time over the next two months, he could sneak into the March friendly roster which might give him a shot. A lot of if's though...
Assuming he plays well over the second half of the season, he'll probably get on the preliminary World Cup roster that gets together in May. Get a few friendly caps. That might be enough to get the work permit done and have him in Stoke for next season.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 9, 2014 16:32:46 GMT
American journalist saying that Agudelo is contracted to us and we've been looking to loan him out with an option to recall if his work permit gets approved in March. Two teams in the Netherlands, Belgium, and another in Spain are interested already. I'm not sure if we can do this under the rules. It would mean that Agudelo would have to appear in our 25 man Premier League squad list submitted at the end of the window. I'm not sure if you can include people out on loan on the list - especially if you don't yet have a work permit for them. Anyone know the answer?
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 9, 2014 16:47:56 GMT
American journalist saying that Agudelo is contracted to us and we've been looking to loan him out with an option to recall if his work permit gets approved in March. Two teams in the Netherlands, Belgium, and another in Spain are interested already. I'm not sure if we can do this under the rules. It would mean that Agudelo would have to appear in our 25 man Premier League squad list submitted at the end of the window. I'm not sure if you can include people out on loan on the list - especially if you don't yet have a work permit for them. Anyone know the answer? If we named 24 can we add a 25th at some stage? He is registered to us so can be loaned out on terms to suit us and therefore recalled, so being in the 25 would be the only problem.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 9, 2014 16:50:47 GMT
American journalist saying that Agudelo is contracted to us and we've been looking to loan him out with an option to recall if his work permit gets approved in March. Two teams in the Netherlands, Belgium, and another in Spain are interested already. I'm not sure if we can do this under the rules. It would mean that Agudelo would have to appear in our 25 man Premier League squad list submitted at the end of the window. I'm not sure if you can include people out on loan on the list - especially if you don't yet have a work permit for them. Anyone know the answer? Edit: Stokiejoe's explanation is better!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 9, 2014 17:01:57 GMT
I'm not sure if we can do this under the rules. It would mean that Agudelo would have to appear in our 25 man Premier League squad list submitted at the end of the window. I'm not sure if you can include people out on loan on the list - especially if you don't yet have a work permit for them. Anyone know the answer? If we named 24 can we add a 25th at some stage? He is registered to us so can be loaned out on terms to suit us and therefore recalled, so being in the 25 would be the only problem. I don't think we can add to the named squad after the window closes and I am yet to be convinced that he could be named when he has no work permit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 9, 2014 17:07:07 GMT
If we named 24 can we add a 25th at some stage? He is registered to us so can be loaned out on terms to suit us and therefore recalled, so being in the 25 would be the only problem. I don't think we can add to the named squad after the window closes and I am yet to be convinced that he could be named when he has no work permit. You can add any free player who was a freebie before the close of play on deadline. Going off that, I think he could be added, just like Owen was as long as there's a space left. Of course if we have 25 pros, You have to name them and can't leave a space. So if we named 24 and then he got a wp in March, I think he'd be able to be included.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 9, 2014 17:07:25 GMT
Players loaned to Football League clubs cannot be replaced, but can regain their spot on return to parent club.
It says Football league and also that the 25 man squad does not apply to European games or FA cup games.
It isn't clear. Checked and we cannot add to those named, even if less than 25 named, except in an emergency or if under 21yr old or if free.
Depends upon the definition of "football league" and whether that includes leagues in Europe.
Best guess would be we can't.
We have his registration so we ought to be able to loan him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 9, 2014 17:10:57 GMT
Players loaned to Football League clubs cannot be replaced, but can regain their spot on return to parent club. It says Football league and also that the 25 man squad does not apply to European league or FA cup games. It isn't clear. Checked and we cannot add to those named, even if less than 25 named, except in an emergency or if under 21yr old or if free. Depends upon the definition of "football league" and whether that includes leagues in Europe. Best guess would be we can't. Ah bollocks, when did that get changed? It used to be that if there was a space You could fill it. And isn't that West Ham did with Carlton Cole this season? Or was that an emergency?
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 9, 2014 17:19:15 GMT
Players loaned to Football League clubs cannot be replaced, but can regain their spot on return to parent club. It says Football league and also that the 25 man squad does not apply to European league or FA cup games. It isn't clear. Checked and we cannot add to those named, even if less than 25 named, except in an emergency or if under 21yr old or if free. Depends upon the definition of "football league" and whether that includes leagues in Europe. Best guess would be we can't. Ah bollocks, when did that get changed? It used to be that if there was a space You could fill it. And isn't that West Ham did with Carlton Cole this season? Or was that an emergency? Cole was out of contract so "returned" on a free. Technically Agudelo is on a free isn't he? That may be a way round it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 9, 2014 17:21:36 GMT
Ah bollocks, when did that get changed? It used to be that if there was a space You could fill it. And isn't that West Ham did with Carlton Cole this season? Or was that an emergency? Cole was out of contract so "returned" on a free. Technically Agudelo is on a free isn't he? That may be a way round it. Yeah he is. So that hasn't changed then? I think he'd be able to join as long as there's only 24 in the squad. Unless because of his age he doesn't need to be added. He's on the cusp of sneaking in that way I think.
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