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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 8:22:23 GMT
(And if he is, what's the question!?  ) The question is ... If we are to continue with two holding central midfielders (and Ireland further forward), if not Palacios, then who? (Wilson M, Charlie, Wheelo, Cameron)?? Palacios had one of those games midfielders sometimes have, when I completely forgot he was playing until around 65+ minutes when he was so tired he was missing tackles altogether, never mind being late and getting booked. But before he was shattered, how did he do? Is he worth another go? Like I say, my memory is that he didn't do much at all ... But that's sometimes a good thing sweeping up in front of the defense. And, if not Palacios, then who do we try next alongside Zonzi? |
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Post by Ayupshag on Oct 27, 2013 8:30:53 GMT
I was impressed with palacios yesterday and have been every time he's played for us. Ireland looks really good going forward. Whelan should never play again cos st best he's a championship player.
All in all it's a frustrating time to be a Stoke fan as we look like a half decent side (mainly due to arnie) but aren't reaping the rewards
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 27, 2013 8:35:23 GMT
Thought he did alright until he ran out of steam - much better than Wilson for sure
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Oct 27, 2013 8:36:40 GMT
He looked like he cared which was a good sign in itself. Maybe all the pies have been locked in a vault until he earns them.
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Post by mrpickles on Oct 27, 2013 8:46:25 GMT
I thought he was half decent in the first half. Sadly, it's quite clear he'll never get back to the required fitness levels. He doesn't just tire, he shuts down completely.
Time to give Muniesa a run out in front of the back four (if fit) If that fails, then I really don't know who to pick out of the current crop.
As it stands, a defensive midfielder is every bit as important as a striker in the January window.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Oct 27, 2013 9:06:12 GMT
I guess he is like a few other positions , needs a run of games , I would prefer us to put Cameron there but he is worth a run if Hughes won't do that
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Post by generationex on Oct 27, 2013 9:16:13 GMT
He should of been sent off in the second half - there was a too footed tackle and he got slower and clumsier as the game went by. It's a shame but I don't think we'll ever get the player we expected.
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Post by Plave on Oct 27, 2013 9:17:35 GMT
A proper holding midfielder is the answer (not Wilson), not sure whether Palacios is the man but he's probably the best we have for the role, would also like to see Muniesa tried there
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Post by nonameface on Oct 27, 2013 9:42:24 GMT
I guess he is like a few other positions , needs a run of games , I would prefer us to put Cameron there but he is worth a run if Hughes won't do that Cameron would do a better job in that position than Palacios, but Palacios should be given the chance to make this spot his own. He had a good 65minutes, before that his defensive work was excellent and whenever he had the ball he passed it off very quickly to someone who was likely to do something better with it. As for our back line it should stay exactly as it is, both Pieters and Cameron are joining up well with the midfield and forwards and they defend as well as anyone we've had in those positions for years. Our first eleven is only a couple of players away from being a top ten side, although our squad could do with a shuffle, but I'm sure that will happen in the summer and that this was always the case. |
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Post by Bombus on Oct 27, 2013 9:58:56 GMT
Thought he did alright until he ran out of steam - much better than Wilson for sure Fully agreed. Palacios played well yesterday. |
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Oct 27, 2013 10:08:17 GMT
Thought he did well for 60 minutes or so.
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Post by roylandstoke on Oct 27, 2013 10:18:27 GMT
Palacios is our best option. In my opinion he does look a good player until he runs out of steam.
Yesterday he was good for an hour.
With more games he should be able to last even longer. I would persevere with him.
If Palacios doesn't play Whelan should get the place next to N'Zonzi.
Mark Wilson should be considered only for full back positions or possibly back-up CB. He is a good passer of the ball but he is not good when pressurised in possession. A massive flaw for any midfielder.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 10:56:14 GMT
The more I see of Wilson the more I'm convinced he's not a midfielder. For me its Cameron in the dm role, failing that I'd perceivere with Palacios
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 11:40:51 GMT
Thought he did alright until he ran out of steam - much better than Wilson for sure +1 |
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Post by fortressbritannia on Oct 27, 2013 11:55:32 GMT
The issue is with Palacios, as mentioned above, is that he runs out of steam we need all our players to be able to complete 90 minutes. Presuming that Cameron is going to remain at right back then it should be either Palacios or Whelan alongside Nzonzi. Wilson is not a PL midfielder.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 12:01:03 GMT
Palacios is our best option. In my opinion he does look a good player until he runs out of steam. Yesterday he was good for an hour. With more games he should be able to last even longer. I would persevere with him. If Palacios doesn't play Whelan should get the place next to N'Zonzi. Mark Wilson should be considered only for full back positions or possibly back-up CB. He is a good passer of the ball but he is not good when pressurised in possession. A massive flaw for any midfielder. Wilson is a good passer of the ball? I'm afraid he is not. No evidence to suggest he is can be found, in fact it's one of his many weak points. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 12:02:45 GMT
Why is a professional footballer unable to complete 90 minutes?
He needs his wages stopping until he is able to fulfill the terms and conditions of his contract.
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Post by mailman44 on Oct 27, 2013 12:31:50 GMT
Excellent question by the OP. Palacios on form is the player on our roster tailored for that role. Reminds me back in 1986 when our own mulleted Bayern Oatcake was transfer listed by Alsager United and picked up on a free by cross town rivals Burslem Wonderers. This was the first time a mulleted player ever moved from United to Wanderers and was reminiscent of Strachan (and his mullet) moving from Celtic to Rangers (or vice versA, can't be arsed to check Wikipedia, you lot get my point). He went on to establish himself first on the team sheet for Wanderers in the trequartista role. It ended in tears when he was caught in the boot room ( cheeky ba$tard) knocking in the back doors of John Terry's brother's Mrs ....
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Post by primmerz on Oct 27, 2013 12:47:48 GMT
He held his position brilliantly and let N'zonzi and Ireland roam, he spread the ball wide well when he had it and kept it simple when needed, but like most have said he ran out of steam and rightly brought off after that silly challenge
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Post by qbpunk on Oct 27, 2013 14:57:09 GMT
Stick with him and give him an extended run in the team, you'd like to think he will get better for it !!
Wilson just ain't good enough - wants too much time on the ball & gets caught in possession too often. Adam has largely disappointed !!!
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Post by MooG on Oct 28, 2013 10:20:00 GMT
To answer the original question - unfortunately no.
As others have said, it's the fitness. In just about the least demanding role we could give him, WP barely made it to the hour mark. That means whoever you think isn't good enough in the role will have to play a good chunk of the game anyway.
The problem is made worse by Ireland also struggling to last out a game (although we can hope that this will get better) so it's not leaving much room for tactical changes or not playing SJW on the wing.
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Post by expat on Oct 28, 2013 11:35:40 GMT
N'Zonzi looked a lot happier with Palacios alongside him.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 28, 2013 17:34:06 GMT
Wilson at home, Palacios away.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2013 17:36:55 GMT
Wilson at home, Palacios away. Wilson should never play in midfield for us again. |
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Oct 28, 2013 18:10:28 GMT
Wilson at home, Palacios away. Wilson should never play in midfield for us again. I strongly agree. Marc Wilson looks massively out of his depth in midfield. Far too slow in possession and regularly gives the ball away. The only question he's the answer to includes which such as, 'shit', 'midfield', and 'most'. |
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Post by onionman on Oct 28, 2013 19:08:53 GMT
Thought he did alright until he ran out of steam - much better than Wilson for sure Interesting that the phrase "ran out of steam" always follows Palacios around, like he's some kind of coal-powered train from the 1920s. He "stopped working after someone filled him with baked beans" might be a more accurate phrase, like a panini machine you bought on a whim in 2011 but never really had a use for until your drunk uncle had a crazy idea after a night on the tiles. |
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Post by kitkatkev on Oct 28, 2013 19:16:51 GMT
A proper holding midfielder is the answer (not Wilson), not sure whether Palacios is the man but he's probably the best we have for the role, would also like to see Muniesa tried there We sold Deano |
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Post by jarvinski on Oct 28, 2013 19:18:54 GMT
Like ive said before whelan wilson walters = wank
Why do i bother putting "remember my user name " when it doesn't----this site gets worse by the day, sort it smudger
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 28, 2013 19:32:16 GMT
I thought Palacios looked very decent personally, and if he can up his fitness level he can only get better. The mid-field functioned way better on Saturday than it had done for quite a few games. That said, though, we need to start performing in games that we should be winning against lower level teams, it's no good only bringing the A game to big matches, it's the less glamorous fixtures that get the points on the board and the players need to start demonstrating an understanding of this fact. Obvious stuff I know but we have lacked in these type of games so far this season on the whole.
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Post by Plave on Oct 28, 2013 19:34:10 GMT
A proper holding midfielder is the answer (not Wilson), not sure whether Palacios is the man but he's probably the best we have for the role, would also like to see Muniesa tried there We sold Deano Wish I had an internet sarcasm detector to know how to respond to that, you never know on this board. |
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