Ripping off fellow Stokies

[andyk]

I've been lucky enough to get a Colchester ticket, but if I hadn't got one then I'd have been posting threads on this messageboard all week, offering £50, then £100, then £150, and maybe even higher for somebody's ticket. For me, to miss out on being there when Stoke get promoted back to the top flight would pretty much negate the entire point of me being a Stokie for the last 23 years (and longer).

Obviously every Stokie with a ticket would want to hang on to it but it's a fact of life that everyone does have their price. If I offered £5000, for instance, I'm damn sure I'd have had people queuing up for me to take it off their hands, so the reality is that with an offer somewhere in between I WOULD, undoubtedly, have got myself a ticket. It would be a value that would be worth it to that particular seller to relinquish the chance to be there.

This, however, is light years away from the actions of a (thankfully small) number of people who, it seems, have been in possession of a Colchester or Leicester ticket that they either do not need or cannot use, and have responded to the situation by attempting to fleece a fellow Stokie who is desperate to go to the game. This to me and, it seems, to the vast majority of Oatcake posters, is a pretty diabolical thing to do. (Supposedly) being a Stokie, you know exactly what the coming games mean to people, and yet you intend to make them compete financially, falling over each other in their desperation to get a ticket, making yourself rich in the process. Well, all I can say is, I hope you can continue to remain behind the anonymity of a messageboard user name, because I think life would be very difficult for you if people at the matches knew who you were. I'm sure at the very least that your usernames won't be forgotten in a hurry. I just hope you're proud of yourselves.

Here's one final suggestion for a fit and proper asking price for your tickets: how about 30 pieces of silver?

[Trouserdog]

Yeah, yeah...now, back to that £5,000 you were offering...

[andyk]

Eh, Trouserdog - if I was rich enough and I didn't have a wife to walk out on me for doing it, I'd have paid £5000 if that's what it would have taken!!!

I thought this one would have generated more opinion.

[PotterLog]

It's been covered in loads of other threads tbh Andy. I agree completely by the way. The words "make me an offer" make my skin crawl.

[StokieSC]

Good thread.

I could next week be in possesion of a few "freebies" for Leicester.

They will be given to those who need and want them (not to sell) on here on a first come first serve basis.

(I might ask for a pint first though )

[daverichards]

got my colchester ticket at the brizzle game at cost price off paulstoke. top marks to the fella

[kinnell]

Now ripping off Rimmers....that's fine!!! ;D ;D

[Akinbadbuy]

AndyK

I can see some of what your saying but I dont entirely agree.
I had 2 tickets for Colchester but because all the glory hunters have come out of the woodwork I was unable to get a place on the coach and I aint paying £70 on the train as that is daylight robbery.
Therefore much as it pained me to do so I had to sell my tickets.
Lets get one thing straight I did not want to sell them as I obviously wanted to go to the game but had no way of getting down to colchester.
So I bit the bullet and put them up for sale.
Now say for example you are selling something and you get 2 offers from 2 different people. One guy offers you £10 and the other guy offers you £20. Which one do you take?
You dont take the £10 because you feel some undivided loyalty to that person or you feel sorry for them, unless maybe it was a friend or family member. You'd obviously take the highest amount that has been offered to you. The word "offered" is key here because you havnt asked for that amount it has been "offered" to you as a token for giving something up that someone else desperately wants.
If you go into a shop and see a TV that costs £500 for example. You wouldn't buy that TV unless you thought it was worth the money would you?
Its the same case here..... If someone happens to think that a ticket for colchester is worth more than face value and they are prepared to "offer" more than what it is worth then that is entirely up to them. At the end of the day everyone is happy. The buyer is happy as he is now going to the game he would have missed otherwise, and the seller is happy as hes made a few quid which in my case has softened the blow ever so slightly of me not going to colchester. Whats the problem with that?

In the words of the great Del boy "Everyones a winner bruv!!"

[prong]

I would have least started a thread with a picture of the fonejacker car dealer (whose name escapes me)...

Tawwk to me......

[spiderpig]

Akinbadbuy - What a crock of shit. You've been stopped from going to Colchester because of "Gloryhunters"!!! What a load of old *******

[stokey-pokey pudding and pie]

here here spiderpig!

sorry akinbadbuy but you could have quite easily 'offered' the tickets at face value and that way 'everyones a winner bruv' without anyone getting ripped off

[tijuanabrass]

For this reason I would urge anyone who can afford a season ticket for next season, to get one.
I can see many loyal supporters losing out to the prawn sandwich brigade come August.
There will be touts at the games. They will be asking extortionate prices. They will have Cockney and Scouse accents.
They will profit from your misery.

[thevue]

tij we arent promoted yet

[tijuanabrass]

Apr 26, 2008 3:16:12 GMT thevue said:

tij we arent promoted yet

true but its an easy mistake to make when you read some of the threads on this board.
still, its those that speculate that will save cash.

[Bonkolina]

Isn't it called economics and a free market economy ?

You want something. Somebody else has it. They are willing to sell it to you. You decide if the price they ask for it acceptable. If not don't buy it.

I can't see the problem.

GD

[Akinbadbuy]

Why would I offer the tickets at face value if someone has offered me more for them?

Im not mother theresa am I!!

And just for the record, anyone who says differently is talking utter bollocks.

[Akinbadbuy]

Spiderpig

Yeah thats right mate.

The bus I have gone away on all season is now full. The majority of which are new faces.

So how is it a crock of shit you moron!!

[Baggs]

Terry Tibbs is the fonejacking dude.

I would have no problem (if I could ever get my hands on them) selling Wembley or Twickenham tickets for an England game that cost £50 each to some corporate tw@ in a Wax Jacket for £750, but I would never deny a genuine Stoke fan of his opportunity to see potentially an incredible game and party.

Also I'd like to think making someone's day/week/month/season etc is nicer than getting an extra £xxx out of them - but everyone has different priorities. Best thing to do if you don't like touts is don't deal with them, then they have no choice but to lower their price.

[Akinbadbuy]

Thats bollocks.

So you can rip off one person but not another.

If you were as saintly as you make out you wouldnt be ripping off anyone end of.

[Baggs]

Anyone who spends £200 on a wax jacket doesn't have a money shortage problem IMO.

And I'm not saintly, I just put different values on things than other people do. And I've never sold tickets for either Twickers or Wembley because almost all end up in the hands of ppl from big corporations who expense the massive cost. Which is another reason why there's hardly ever any atmosphere at either of those big stadiums - if the tickets were in the hands of proper fans there might be some proper songs at England games, rather than that 'do-do-de-doo' crap at Twickenham or the Great Escape at Wembley.

[Huddysleftfoot]

Apr 26, 2008 10:54:23 GMT Baggs said:

Terry Tibbs is the fonejacking dude.

I would have no problem (if I could ever get my hands on them) selling Wembley or Twickenham tickets for an England game that cost £50 each to some corporate tw@ in a Wax Jacket for £750, but I would never deny a genuine Stoke fan of his opportunity to see potentially an incredible game and party.

Also I'd like to think making someone's day/week/month/season etc is nicer than getting an extra £xxx out of them - but everyone has different priorities. Best thing to do if you don't like touts is don't deal with them, then they have no choice but to lower their price.

As a massive England Rugby supporter I try to get to as many Twickenham Games as i can. The problem with over inflated prices is even worse in Rugby, for the last game at Twickers v Ireland, single tickets were going for up to a grand yes a GRAND! Now some people argue that it's purely business and that a ticket is only worth what someone will pay for it. I disagree. I have a ticket for the Leicester game and if I couldn't make it, it would go at COST PRICE to the first taker, plus p&p, end of.

However, there are some scumbags out there who think it's ok to rob people blind, the only way round it as I see it is to include proper contact details on each ticket stub, tracing them back to the original buyer who would then have to prove his/her ID at the gate.

The RFU do now have a fairly efficient team of "spys" who go on sites like ebay and find out who the touts are. They are then banned for life. Funny how that doesn't happen in football eh?

[Huddysleftfoot]

Apr 26, 2008 11:06:18 GMT Baggs said:

Anyone who spends £200 on a wax jacket doesn't have a money shortage problem IMO.

And I'm not saintly, I just put different values on things than other people do. And I've never sold tickets for either Twickers or Wembley because almost all end up in the hands of ppl from big corporations who expense the massive cost. Which is another reason why there's hardly ever any atmosphere at either of those big stadiums - if the tickets were in the hands of proper fans there might be some proper songs at England games, rather than that 'do-do-de-doo' crap at Twickenham or the Great Escape at Wembley.

With respect Sam, most people who go to Twickenham are ordinary folk, just like you and me.

[Mama's Mama]

akinbadbuy.


new faces?

what about the 10 game policy? yeah i know they went on general sale, but cmon.
you think glory hunters would come outta the woodwork to pay for a ticket, a bloody long bus journey?? surely the glory hunters would be at the beamback.

[Baggs]

HLF I have to disagree, I've been taken to both stadiums several times before by suppliers and my own company and half the people in those parties haven't given a flying fook about the game, the score or the team. Sitting in the middle tier at Wembley is a depressing experience (even on those rare occasions when England r playing well!). A lot of my Twickenham tickets (that a big bank or law firm or printer has paid a shit load for) have local RFC names printed on them - there are plenty of ticket brokers out there who don't need to use public sites like eBay (unfortunately).

What I meant to say earlier, which I didn't do very well at all, is that most people I know down 'ere would take or leave a ticket at Twickenham or Wembley, and don't mind that they cost £750 (or even a grand now as you say), because moreoften than not it's someone else picking up the expense. The difference with Stoke is that people would give everything to go to the Leicester game if they could, and personally I wouldn't want to profit from the strength of their feeling.

If you do know a decent bunch of ordinary folk who go Twickenham let me know, would be great to sit next to people who actually give a shit

[Soi Cowboy]

No offence but if they're willing to pay it why are they being ripped off as you put it?

[leeklad]

anyway if someone does have two spare tkts for me and my 8 year old any chance of buying them at a reasonable price?hardly missed all season and now this happens "own fault i know" HE,S for firing me big trouble!!PLEASE HELP

[Huddysleftfoot]

Apr 26, 2008 11:32:35 GMT Baggs said:

HLF I have to disagree, I've been taken to both stadiums several times before by suppliers and my own company and half the people in those parties haven't given a flying fook about the game, the score or the team. Sitting in the middle tier at Wembley is a depressing experience (even on those rare occasions when England r playing well!). A lot of my Twickenham tickets (that a big bank or law firm or printer has paid a shit load for) have local RFC names printed on them - there are plenty of ticket brokers out there who don't need to use public sites like eBay (unfortunately).

What I meant to say earlier, which I didn't do very well at all, is that most people I know down 'ere would take or leave a ticket at Twickenham or Wembley, and don't mind that they cost £750 (or even a grand now as you say), because moreoften than not it's someone else picking up the expense. The difference with Stoke is that people would give everything to go to the Leicester game if they could, and personally I wouldn't want to profit from the strength of their feeling.

If you do know a decent bunch of ordinary folk who go Twickenham let me know, would be great to sit next to people who actually give a shit

Fully take your point sam about the corporate tossers and yes, what angers genuine fans is the fact that a lot of them don't even watch the game, as you rightly say. On the last few occasions I've been sat in the new south stand at Twickers, where there is always a good mix of genuine fans.

[Baggs]

Cheers I'll try it out, haven't been in there yet since it was rebuilt. I remember it was fookin' cold in there before they did!

[Huddysleftfoot]

Apr 26, 2008 11:52:55 GMT Baggs said:

Cheers I'll try it out, haven't been in there yet since it was rebuilt. I remember it was fookin' cold in there before they did!

It's a great stadium for me, not a bad view anywhere. I get my tickets through the England Rugby Supporters Club (ERSC) I pay 37 quid per year membership but get into ballots for all home internationals, discounts for other games and first call on any unsold tickets. Also got to see the Rolling Stones for nothing there a while back, thanks to an unsold ticket ballot!! 2x tickets for nothing.. ;D

[Huddysleftfoot]

Apr 26, 2008 11:41:37 GMT Soi Cowboy said:

No offence but if they're willing to pay it why are they being ripped off as you put it?

Legally they aren't of course. Morally they are in my opinion. I for one couldn't sell an 18 quid ticket to a fellow Stokie for 200 quid and sleep at night, perhaps you could?