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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 22, 2013 9:45:57 GMT
Johnno I'd pick Ethers and Arnie/Pennant on the flanks and then have Walters off Crouch Probably Adam and Whelan in the middle. Walters off Crouch doesn't work though. It hasn't worked for 2 seasons and it isn't going to start working now so for me, I would rather experiment with other options that persist with something we know doesn't work. I wouldn't want Adam anywhere near my team. He is an absolute waster and a total liability. If you want that type of line up, with a midfielder that offers no defensive capabilities, then it has to be Ireland over Adam. Ireland is a better player, he's more mobile, he's more creative and he's equally as likely to pop up with a goal. I've seen enough of the likes of Walters, Wilson, Adam, KJ and Crouch to last me a lifetime and would fuck every single one of them off in a heartbeat given half a chance. Whatever we opt for, at some point, we are going to have to stick with something and give it a run of games to bed in and work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 10:35:15 GMT
How about 4-4-2 especially at home,
Begovic Cameron Pieters Huth Shawcross Pennant Nzonzi Ireland Assaidi Arnie Crouch
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 22, 2013 10:46:02 GMT
Reading Mark Bowen's comments on that question and answer session, whatever we opt for, it is going to include flooding the midfield to some extent because this management team believe that we have a better chance of picking up results if we keep the ball and keep some semblance of control in the middle of the pitch.
Until we get a forward who can do a bit of everything (Ricardo Fuller would have been ideal) we will continue to struggle whatever formation we use because our current options just don't enable us to get up the pitch in any numbers.
Countless times on Saturday we got the ball into Walters (and its happened in games that KJ and Crouch have started as well) only for him to lose it within seconds of him getting it. He didn't win corners, throw ins, free kicks and he didn't hold on to it long enough for us to get up the pitch.
As a result, we never built any kind of sustained pressure and we looked like the pedestrian outfit that we are.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 22, 2013 10:46:18 GMT
How about 4-4-2 especially at home, Begovic Cameron Pieters Huth Shawcross Pennant Nzonzi Ireland Assaidi Arnie Crouch It's pretty close to mine, mate but I'd worry about Ireland in a two which is why I thought about playing him on the right with Whelan in the middle.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 22, 2013 10:47:30 GMT
Reading Mark Bowen's comments on that question and answer session, whatever we opt for, it is going to include flooding the midfield to some extent because this management team believe that we have a better chance of picking up results if we keep the ball and keep some semblance of control in the middle of the pitch. Until we get a forward who can do a bit of everything (Ricardo Fuller would have been ideal) we will continue to struggle whatever formation we use because our current options just don't enable us to get up the pitch in any numbers. Countless times on Saturday we got the ball into Walters (and its happened in games that KJ and Crouch have started as well) only for him to lose it within seconds of him getting it. He didn't win corners, throw ins, free kicks and he didn't hold on to it long enough for us to get up the pitch. As a result, we never built any kind of sustained pressure and we looked like the pedestrian outfit that we are. This is exactly what I've been saying, Dave. Due to the lack of a forward holding the ball up it is impossible to get in behind teams by midfielders making runs off the striker. As a result all we do is play in front of teams.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 22, 2013 10:58:09 GMT
So in essence Jamo, until January, we are up the shit creek without a paddle! :-(
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 22, 2013 11:02:50 GMT
Johnno I'd pick Ethers and Arnie/Pennant on the flanks and then have Walters off Crouch Probably Adam and Whelan in the middle. You'd play Adam as one of the TWO in a two man central midfield?
I can never tell if you actually mean this stuff or are on some sort of permanent wind-up.
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Post by mcf on Oct 22, 2013 11:40:01 GMT
He's played out wide before now and still managed to score.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Oct 22, 2013 11:56:43 GMT
If it's goals we're looking for i would give Waring a go before Alabi. Not seen him play so can't really comment but given the fact that Waring has scored a few for us and put a few away fro Everton (I think we got him from there) last season in the academy/U21#s games he would also be someone I'd like to see at least on the bench. The opposition won't know anything about him and given that only 1 of Jones or Crouch are ever likely to be on the pitch at the same time there should be a spot for him on the bench.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 22, 2013 12:07:08 GMT
So in essence Jamo, until January, we are up the shit creek without a paddle! :-( That's the long and the short of it, mate. It's the reason I was gutted we didn't manage to bring a new forward in as the writing was on the wall with the ones we had got on the books.
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Post by mcf on Oct 22, 2013 12:24:25 GMT
What a bunch of negative tools you pair are ...and you've certainly changed your tunes. I thought you had never been so excited about a new season???? That didn't last long did it?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 22, 2013 12:27:15 GMT
What a bunch of negative tools you pair are ...and you've certainly changed your tunes. I thought you had never been so excited about a new season???? That didn't last long did it? I was massively excited, Merk but then it was severely tempered after deadline day. It was as obvious as the nose on Gonzo's face that we needed a new forward and for whatever reason our failure to recruit one was always going to hinder us. Basically we're playing better football and we're still pretty tight at the back but the age old problem is still there.
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Post by mcf on Oct 22, 2013 12:34:29 GMT
...only that the age old problem seems even worse as we don't even look remotely like nicking a goal.
I don't agree that we can't muster something better as I've actually seen 3 of the forwards score more than they are now.
If you want to blame Coates and Hughes for failing to land something better and even letting someone that could contrubute leave then be my guest though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 12:36:49 GMT
...only that the age old problem seems even worse as we don't even look remotely like nicking a goal. I don't agree that we can't muster something better as I've actually seen 3 of the forwards score more than they are now. If you want to blame Coates and Hughes for failing to land something better and even letting someone that could contrubute leave then be my guest though. And despite how shit we have been we still find ourselves on the same points after 8 games as we did last season. Swings and roundabouts.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 22, 2013 14:48:25 GMT
...only that the age old problem seems even worse as we don't even look remotely like nicking a goal. I don't agree that we can't muster something better as I've actually seen 3 of the forwards score more than they are now. If you want to blame Coates and Hughes for failing to land something better and even letting someone that could contrubute leave then be my guest though. Nobody knows what the reasons are. It has been suggested we might be on the edge with regards to Financial Fair Play in terms of our salary outlay. We've still got a bit of dead wood hanging about and looking at the decision to let Jerome go it would tend to back that theory up to a degree. It appears both Hughes and Coates wanted to bring in Diouf so given the obvious need to bring in a forward you'd think there must be a good reason why we didn't (or at worst sign some fucker else). Financially hamstrung could be the reason given the new rules as our turnover isn't that great in the big scheme of things.
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Post by mcf on Oct 22, 2013 15:07:19 GMT
I don't believe that Jamo....there are ways and means around that.
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Post by mcf on Oct 22, 2013 15:07:48 GMT
I don't believe that Jamo....there are ways and means around that.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 22, 2013 15:57:41 GMT
I don't believe that Jamo....there are ways and means around that. Are there? I'm not sure especially as we are one who has championed Fair Play aren't we?
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 22, 2013 16:07:49 GMT
The Stoke team that started agains W.B.A. cost a total of around £23.9m and West Brom around £16.4m.
The Tottenham side that started the game against Aston Villa cost around £96.8m, with Roberto Soldado costing more than the whole of the Stoke team combined.
Spurs have scored just 8 goals this season and it shows how difficult it is to find the right players and formation too produce goals.
People who think it will be solved by spending in January may have to be more patient but perhaps Crouch or Jones, given decent service, may at least be a short term answer.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 22, 2013 16:16:33 GMT
Cameron Jerome being let go has been a massive blow so far this season all the pace of the side gutted. Crouch has nobody to hold up play for, no midfielders running into the box behind a pacey striker and were left with a set of strikers who can beat a defender off there feet... No wonder the goals aren't coming in. We have aerial strikers really... Not the sort you need in a pass n move style. Notice how when we get to the 18 yard box we just shift it around and don't get a shot on goal. Our. Midfield doesn't press their box or defense. When Ireland gets forward with marko it seems to be our only hope for a goal and he nearly did score. But hoping on a aging senior squad to beat player like Townsend with etherington and pennant as our option isn't going to happen. I really think we need a rethink and rebuild January. Shane long for crouch agudelo for KJ and money in for new midfield from their transfer.
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Post by mcf on Oct 22, 2013 16:28:59 GMT
what do you think Chelsea and Man City will do
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 22, 2013 16:44:02 GMT
what do you think Chelsea and Man City will do Attract sponsorship deals (through various guises) that we can't dream of doing. PC clearly isn't going to pump more money in just to allow our spending power to increase.
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Post by mcf on Oct 22, 2013 16:48:23 GMT
That's upto him then.
It's nothing to do with FFP...it will be to do with his arsehole tightening.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 23, 2013 13:47:10 GMT
would this be any better than what been tried.since Adam can score , can run and cant tackle. cameron shawcross Huth Pieters muniesa n zonzi Arnautovic ireland Assaidi Adam Although muniesa likes and feels more comfortable as a CB. Best to brickwall it saturday 4-6-0 The lunatic has finally taken over the asylum.
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Post by thestatusquo on Oct 25, 2013 13:19:55 GMT
January could be a very big window for us as it's obvious that we will have to strengthen the foward like with quality or risk going down. Sadly it seems the Accademy isn't producing the required quality as yet.
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Post by cartman123 on Oct 25, 2013 13:30:11 GMT
Cameron Jerome being let go has been a massive blow so far this season all the pace of the side gutted. Crouch has nobody to hold up play for, no midfielders running into the box behind a pacey striker and were left with a set of strikers who can beat a defender off there feet... No wonder the goals aren't coming in. We have aerial strikers really... Not the sort you need in a pass n move style. Notice how when we get to the 18 yard box we just shift it around and don't get a shot on goal. Our. Midfield doesn't press their box or defense. When Ireland gets forward with marko it seems to be our only hope for a goal and he nearly did score. But hoping on a aging senior squad to beat player like Townsend with etherington and pennant as our option isn't going to happen. I really think we need a rethink and rebuild January. Shane long for crouch agudelo for KJ and money in for new midfield from their transfer. The same Jerome who conner even get in Palace's team?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 13:33:18 GMT
Cameron Jerome being let go has been a massive blow so far this season all the pace of the side gutted. Crouch has nobody to hold up play for, no midfielders running into the box behind a pacey striker and were left with a set of strikers who can beat a defender off there feet... No wonder the goals aren't coming in. We have aerial strikers really... Not the sort you need in a pass n move style. Notice how when we get to the 18 yard box we just shift it around and don't get a shot on goal. Our. Midfield doesn't press their box or defense. When Ireland gets forward with marko it seems to be our only hope for a goal and he nearly did score. But hoping on a aging senior squad to beat player like Townsend with etherington and pennant as our option isn't going to happen. I really think we need a rethink and rebuild January. Shane long for crouch agudelo for KJ and money in for new midfield from their transfer. The same Jerome who conner even get in Palace's team? That's the one aye ;D
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