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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Oct 13, 2013 17:31:29 GMT
I was at both, the Rotherham one was worse in my opinion.
Can I ask why this has come up now? is it just jumping on the bandwagon?
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Post by markcastle on Oct 13, 2013 19:48:53 GMT
after the game barnsley were bang up for it outside
big time kick off in them dark streets
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 20:52:06 GMT
For that Chester game at macc there was loads of forged tickets floating around. You're not wrong there. Me and about six mates all had forged tickets for that game. My mate bought a ticket and copied it at work in the office as the tickets were literally a piece of coloured paper with black print on. Is this the fault of the police? TEST
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 4:12:42 GMT
You're not wrong there. Me and about six mates all had forged tickets for that game. My mate bought a ticket and copied it at work in the office as the tickets were literally a piece of coloured paper with black print on. Is this the fault of the police? No,but then again nobody has suggested it was. TEST
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Post by mozzer68 on Oct 14, 2013 7:56:30 GMT
I was there. Went on the coach, when we got off it was chaos, nobody could get in the ground and the police just stood watching as more and more people gathered. By then it was obvious the game had already started, the surge of fans got worse and many of us were shouting to open the gates, some were getting lifted off their feet and carried by the crush. It seemed like ages before they eventually did open the gates, just glad the stand was almost empty as we piled in and there was enough room for everyone to get in safely.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 14, 2013 9:17:30 GMT
I was at both, the Rotherham one was worse in my opinion. Can I ask why this has come up now? is it just jumping on the bandwagon? I would have thought that the Sentinel article linked on my top post on the thread explains perfectly clearly why this has come up now!
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Post by kerouac on Oct 14, 2013 10:02:28 GMT
Me and my dad were there and even for the naive,dont give a shit youth I was back then,there was a minute or so when I thought there was a real chance of danger and a situation occurring that was beyond control .
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Post by thestatusquo on Oct 14, 2013 11:50:14 GMT
I was there but luckily missed the crush as we set off late and got caught in the traffic.
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Post by mark71 on Oct 14, 2013 12:02:23 GMT
I was at both barnsley and Rotherham. totally frightening experiances.
We went by car to the Barnsley game, I'm sure I heard somewhere that the police held the coaches back and escorted them to the ground just before kick off. Is this true?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 14, 2013 12:07:38 GMT
I was at both barnsley and Rotherham. totally frightening experiances. We went by car to the Barnsley game, I'm sure I heard somewhere that the police held the coaches back and escorted them to the ground just before kick off. Is this true? I don't remember it that way mate. We were on the club buses (Bostocks No.2 if I remember rightly) and the traffic to Barnsley that evening was horrendous. The coaches descended at the same time because of the delays in getting there but it wasn't just the coaches. Most Stokies were seemingly caught up in the traffic and most arrived at around about the same time, be they coach travellers or others. It was absolute chaos until they opened that gate and for a young lad, quite frightening. My abiding memory, afterwards, is that rather than focus on how bad the situation was, the stories on the bus home afterwards were about who had got in without paying. I'm sure everyone who was caught up in those events at Barnsley will have made reference to it when the full details of the subsequent Hillsborough tragedy were released. Almost everyone, I'm sure, would have recalled Barnsley away and said "it could have been us".
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Post by lordb on Oct 14, 2013 13:31:28 GMT
from memory it was bad mid week trafic
Factor in the inabilty of S.Yorkshire police & possibly Barnsley FC to realise that we would be taking a huge away following (anyone with an ounce of footballing-sense would have known our following would be dramaticly bigger for this game than teh standard league game) & it all points to lazy policing.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Oct 14, 2013 17:30:13 GMT
I was at both, the Rotherham one was worse in my opinion. Can I ask why this has come up now? is it just jumping on the bandwagon? I would have thought that the Sentinel article linked on my top post on the thread explains perfectly clearly why this has come up now! Lakeland I didn't mean why has it been on here now. I just wondered why the guy in the sentinel was raising it now, it seems to late to me.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 14, 2013 19:12:36 GMT
I would have thought that the Sentinel article linked on my top post on the thread explains perfectly clearly why this has come up now! Lakeland I didn't mean why has it been on here now. I just wondered why the guy in the sentinel was raising it now, it seems to late to me. It is being raised now because it seems probable, after 26 years, that there will be prosecutions of some of the organisations (Police, Local Authority etc.) involved in the Hillsborough tragedy. If there are to be court cases, then the fact that, before Hillsborough, similar problems had already happened concerning late arrival of fans, insufficient turnstiles and the opening of gates, may well be highly relevant to those court cases. After all, suppose the police say in court words to the effect "yes, we opened the gates - but doing that had never resulted in problems in the past." Prosecution evidence from witnesses who had been in similar situations would make Hillsborough convictions more likely. I would imagine that the Sentinel will not be the only paper asking fans of their local club to come forward if they have been involved in crush incidents in the year or so before Hillsborough.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 14, 2013 20:14:40 GMT
Lakeland I didn't mean why has it been on here now. I just wondered why the guy in the sentinel was raising it now, it seems to late to me. It is being raised now because it seems probable, after 26 years, that there will be prosecutions of some of the organisations (Police, Local Authority etc.) involved in the Hillsborough tragedy. If there are to be court cases, then the fact that, before Hillsborough, similar problems had already happened concerning late arrival of fans, insufficient turnstiles and the opening of gates, may well be highly relevant to those court cases. After all, suppose the police say in court words to the effect "yes, we opened the gates - but doing that had never resulted in problems in the past." Prosecution evidence from witnesses who had been in similar situations would make Hillsborough convictions more likely. I would imagine that the Sentinel will not be the only paper asking fans of their local club to come forward if they have been involved in crush incidents in the year or so before Hillsborough. I wasn't there and don't really want to argue this...........but from reading the accounts on here opening the gates in the case of this game actually solved the problem here? But that was down to the design of the terrace (no pens) so people could disperse after the initial crush and it relieved the pressure. I may have the wrong of the stick and don't want offend anyone but that's how I've interpreted it from the accounts on here.
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Post by chellpotter on Oct 14, 2013 20:32:23 GMT
From what I recollect there was a crush outside queuing to get into the ground and a second crush at the top of the stand as the fans rushed up the steps into the stand and the fans in front had to move down to make room to let them into the terracing. That's how I remember it but it was 24 years ago and is a bit hazy.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 14, 2013 20:49:53 GMT
It is being raised now because it seems probable, after 26 years, that there will be prosecutions of some of the organisations (Police, Local Authority etc.) involved in the Hillsborough tragedy. If there are to be court cases, then the fact that, before Hillsborough, similar problems had already happened concerning late arrival of fans, insufficient turnstiles and the opening of gates, may well be highly relevant to those court cases. After all, suppose the police say in court words to the effect "yes, we opened the gates - but doing that had never resulted in problems in the past." Prosecution evidence from witnesses who had been in similar situations would make Hillsborough convictions more likely. I would imagine that the Sentinel will not be the only paper asking fans of their local club to come forward if they have been involved in crush incidents in the year or so before Hillsborough. I wasn't there and don't really want to argue this...........but from reading the accounts on here opening the gates in the case of this game actually solved the problem here? But that was down to the design of the terrace (no pens) so people could disperse after the initial crush and it relieved the pressure. I may have the wrong of the stick and don't want offend anyone but that's how I've interpreted it from the accounts on here. My imaginary quote was only an example. I'm not trying to "Try the Case"! The fact is that Barnsley or Rotherham (for Stoke fans) or a host of other grounds (for other fans) are useful background info if/when Hillsborough prosecutions reach court. Some of the witness recounted experiences will possibly help the prosecution, some will be of little use to anyone and some will probably help the defence. That's the way life is. It is important though that any similar scenarios prior to Hillsborough are considered in building a court case even though, thankfully, a similar tragedy did not unfold.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 14, 2013 20:52:33 GMT
I wasn't there and don't really want to argue this...........but from reading the accounts on here opening the gates in the case of this game actually solved the problem here? But that was down to the design of the terrace (no pens) so people could disperse after the initial crush and it relieved the pressure. I may have the wrong of the stick and don't want offend anyone but that's how I've interpreted it from the accounts on here. My imaginary quote was only an example. I'm not trying to "Try the Case"! The fact is that Barnsley or Rotherham (for Stoke fans) or a host of other grounds (for other fans) are useful background info if/when Hillsborough prosecutions reach court. Some of the witness recounted experiences will possibly help the prosecution, some will be of little use to anyone and some will probably help the defence. That's the way life is. It is important though that any similar scenarios prior to Hillsborough are considered in building a court case even though, thankfully, a similar tragedy did not unfold. I know, I was just arguing a case I thought You were bringing forward!
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Post by roosterscomb on Oct 15, 2013 13:05:43 GMT
Just to let you know that a follow-up to last Saturday's story about the Barnsley crush will appear in Wednesday's Sentinel with testimonials from about half-a-dozen fans who contacted the newspaper.
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Post by skydog on Oct 15, 2013 21:15:43 GMT
Memory might not be great at 52. I seem to remember that as we queued facing the turnstile, there was a brick wall to my left (dead end). I looked to my right and “masses” arrived from the coaches from around the corner. I was pushed past the turnstile towards the wall (dead-end), but managed to grab the corner of the wall and drag myself through the turnstile. Anyone that didn’t and got boxed in the corner must have shit themselves. Didn’t see the gates opened but my guess is that it was a good thing. I remember Hillsborough and always say that this could have been us.
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Post by chellpotter on Oct 15, 2013 22:13:50 GMT
This website brings back memories of barnsleys ground back in the day! Oakwell
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Post by gb on Oct 16, 2013 0:20:02 GMT
I remember going see the Vale play Liverpool in the 60's play Liverpool that was also a night match , i think some of the gates were flattened and I remember some of the Liverpool supporters had grappling hooks they threw over to get access . My father went also and sat in The Railway Stand and quite a few Liverpool idiots got on the roof of the stand and a few fell through onto the fans in the stand .
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Post by lastoftheldk on Oct 16, 2013 0:36:44 GMT
I was there, drove up with my brother, was in the ground and the terraces seem to go from near empty to full in seconds
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Post by clan2 on Oct 17, 2013 20:00:31 GMT
Oh yes i was in attendance that evening and I was that angry I sent a letter to Barnsley F.C to see what they had to say for themselves.
Yes I did get a reply from the Secretary a Mr M J Spinks basically saying under normal conditions Barnsley F.C would not experienced any difficulties with a crowd of 21,000 and the only problem on this occasion was caused by South Yorkshire Police who allowed 25 coaches carrying Stoke City fans to arrive at the ground under escort at 7.45pm.
After a search in my football library I now have in my possession the letter from Mr Spinks .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 22:09:55 GMT
Oh yes i was in attendance that evening and I was that angry I sent a letter to Barnsley F.C to see what they had to say for themselves. Yes I did get a reply from the Secretary a Mr M J Spinks basically saying under normal conditions Barnsley F.C would not experienced any difficulties with a crowd of 21,000 and the only problem on this occasion was caused by South Yorkshire Police who allowed 25 coaches carrying Stoke City fans to arrive at the ground under escort at 7.45pm. After a search in my football library I now have in my possession the letter from Mr Spinks . Copy and send it in youth
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Post by onionman on Oct 17, 2013 23:51:09 GMT
Oh yes i was in attendance that evening and I was that angry I sent a letter to Barnsley F.C to see what they had to say for themselves. Yes I did get a reply from the Secretary a Mr M J Spinks basically saying under normal conditions Barnsley F.C would not experienced any difficulties with a crowd of 21,000 and the only problem on this occasion was caused by South Yorkshire Police who allowed 25 coaches carrying Stoke City fans to arrive at the ground under escort at 7.45pm. After a search in my football library I now have in my possession the letter from Mr Spinks . Hmm, Mr M Spinks, eh? Did it finish by giving everyone involved a mark out of 10, with nobody getting less than 7, except for the policeman who made the biggest howler of all on the night, who got a measly 6?
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Post by greenbaize on Oct 18, 2013 0:57:50 GMT
get that reply sent in to sentinel and the investigation and forward a copy to Trevor hicks well done for saving that
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 18, 2013 14:36:29 GMT
Oh yes i was in attendance that evening and I was that angry I sent a letter to Barnsley F.C to see what they had to say for themselves. Yes I did get a reply from the Secretary a Mr M J Spinks basically saying under normal conditions Barnsley F.C would not experienced any difficulties with a crowd of 21,000 and the only problem on this occasion was caused by South Yorkshire Police who allowed 25 coaches carrying Stoke City fans to arrive at the ground under escort at 7.45pm. After a search in my football library I now have in my possession the letter from Mr Spinks . I don't know if it's sound practise legally but it'd be great if You could scan it and show us. Just being nosey!
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