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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 7, 2013 14:18:10 GMT
Have you not seen the documentary Slumdogs and millionaires about Dubai? These guys don't get to send money home to their families, that's the whole point. If they are lucky or live long enough they can buy themselves out of the "contract" they've been duped into and get back to their families in around 15 years time having never had enough to send back if indeed they have been paid anything. They are there to work and die for as little as possible. Of course they've left because of their desperate plight back home. Your argument seems to be that because their life back home is so shit that it justifies them going to a place that is just as shit or more shit. It's not just that they are leaving shit to go to shit to be paid shit and live in shit but they are doing it for shit. I would rather top myself than be a socialist and would pride myself of dare I say alost being a Thatcherite Tory but this is just plain evil and wrong. We should be helping them build their communities at home not doing this and just for football ffs. ok - then answer me this. Every year,or every 2 these workers go home for a month, or 2 depending on their contract. Nearly all of them comes back, without fail, for more of the same. so if this is so terrible, so awful, so outrageous why would they make an independent, conscious decision to do that?? its not like they have a gun pointed at their heads. Do you work 2 years before you have a holiday
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 7, 2013 14:29:37 GMT
I'm pretty sure you must be a prize tit or a wum. right.. pretty keen to understand what you're basing this major knowledge of this region on?.. Im making a long shot educated guess that you have none. So why dont you keep your opinions to yourself you infantile idiot. I choose to express my opinions because I believe that through debate, and exchange of information, the people of the world will come to a better understanding of each other. This in turn may lead to greater equality and harmony and a reduction of unnecessary suffering. I do not claim to have a detailed knowledge of the the Arabian Peninsular; however I am led to believe that the average migrant worker in Qatar is paid less than £6.50 a day. In my opinion this is exploitation. Surely a country with a GDP per capita of £68,000 could afford to pay more. Do you honestly believe it is just to pay human beings who have little choice such a paltry sum? I defend your right to disagree with my opinion and that of the US State Dept. I do not feel hurt by your opinion of me. I do however wish you would take your smug head from out of the arse that you have wedged it so tightly into. I would appreciate if you could begin to use punctuation correctly too.
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Sept 7, 2013 14:30:44 GMT
In the past i have worked for one year before getting 1 months leave before, yes. If you work for a local firm thats how it is. If you work 2 years, you get 2 months etc.
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Sept 7, 2013 14:31:55 GMT
right.. pretty keen to understand what you're basing this major knowledge of this region on?.. Im making a long shot educated guess that you have none. So why dont you keep your opinions to yourself you infantile idiot. I choose to express my opinions because I believe that through debate, and exchange of information, the people of the world will come to a better understanding of each other. This in turn may lead to greater equality and harmony and a reduction of unnecessary suffering. I do not claim to have a detailed knowledge of the the Arabian Peninsular; however I am led to believe that the average migrant worker in Qatar is paid less than £6.50 a day. In my opinion this is exploitation. Surely a country with a GDP per capita of £68,000 could afford to pay more. Do you honestly believe it is just to pay human beings who have little choice such a paltry sum? I defend your right to disagree with my opinion and that of the US State Dept. I do not feel hurt by your opinion of me. I do however wish you would take your smug head from out of the arse that you have wedged it so tightly into. I would appreciate if you could begin to use punctuation correctly too. you nothing of life or the world... grow up
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 14:38:10 GMT
right.. pretty keen to understand what you're basing this major knowledge of this region on?.. Im making a long shot educated guess that you have none. So why dont you keep your opinions to yourself you infantile idiot. I choose to express my opinions because I believe that through debate, and exchange of information, the people of the world will come to a better understanding of each other. This in turn may lead to greater equality and harmony and a reduction of unnecessary suffering. I do not claim to have a detailed knowledge of the the Arabian Peninsular; however I am led to believe that the average migrant worker in Qatar is paid less than £6.50 a day. In my opinion this is exploitation. Surely a country with a GDP per capita of £68,000 could afford to pay more. Do you honestly believe it is just to pay human beings who have little choice such a paltry sum? I defend your right to disagree with my opinion and that of the US State Dept. I do not feel hurt by your opinion of me. I do however wish you would take your smug head from out of the arse that you have wedged it so tightly into. I would appreciate if you could begin to use punctuation correctly too. They can pay more. They don't have to because £6.50 is enough to attractive the labor they need. The job of a corporation is to maximise profit, not put in place a social welfare system. It is not nice, it may not be seen as right, I can see why people are sickened by it.... but that is a global issue .... not limited to Qatar. And certainly is mirrored by our own choices.....we purchase the cheapest, we don't care where its made or the conditions of the workers (in the main). What is different about us and the Qatar companies? I don't see any hordes of boycotts of nike football boots or shirts for example?
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 7, 2013 14:41:35 GMT
In the past i have worked for one year before getting 1 months leave before, yes. If you work for a local firm thats how it is. If you work 2 years, you get 2 months etc. yes but you have every Friday and Saturday off and work about 35 hours a week. The migrant workers over there, are they still not allowed onto the beaches ?
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 7, 2013 14:49:58 GMT
I choose to express my opinions because I believe that through debate, and exchange of information, the people of the world will come to a better understanding of each other. This in turn may lead to greater equality and harmony and a reduction of unnecessary suffering. I do not claim to have a detailed knowledge of the the Arabian Peninsular; however I am led to believe that the average migrant worker in Qatar is paid less than £6.50 a day. In my opinion this is exploitation. Surely a country with a GDP per capita of £68,000 could afford to pay more. Do you honestly believe it is just to pay human beings who have little choice such a paltry sum? I defend your right to disagree with my opinion and that of the US State Dept. I do not feel hurt by your opinion of me. I do however wish you would take your smug head from out of the arse that you have wedged it so tightly into. I would appreciate if you could begin to use punctuation correctly too. you nothing of life or the world... grow up Your last few posts haven't made sense. You appear to have exhausted your intellect. Maybe you should give yourself a holiday from being a total arsehole. If you do choose to continue to argue your cause perhaps you could use information rather than poorly expressed insults.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 7, 2013 14:58:43 GMT
you nothing of life or the world... grow up Your last few posts haven't made sense. You appear to have exhausted your intellect. Maybe you should give yourself a holiday from being a total arsehole. If you do choose to continue to argue your cause perhaps you could use information rather than poorly expressed insults. He just sounds like a bitter drunk to be, spewing the last of his bile...
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Sept 7, 2013 15:07:46 GMT
you nothing of life or the world... grow up Your last few posts haven't made sense. You appear to have exhausted your intellect. Maybe you should give yourself a holiday from being a total arsehole. If you do choose to continue to argue your cause perhaps you could use information rather than poorly expressed insults. oh the irony... and of course you take the last resort of a losing position... hilarious really. pathetic little man. You know nothing, you cant express your point, you arent basing anything on fact just opinion, and just because you dont like the fact that i dont agree with your half assed theories im and "arsehole" come over to the gulf, work in the region for 20+ years, understand the dynamics of the place and the interaction with the rest of the sub-continent and then please feel free to pass on your opinions as fact. Until then - you're just making a fool of yourself.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 7, 2013 15:29:33 GMT
Your last few posts haven't made sense. You appear to have exhausted your intellect. Maybe you should give yourself a holiday from being a total arsehole. If you do choose to continue to argue your cause perhaps you could use information rather than poorly expressed insults. oh the irony... and of course you take the last resort of a losing position... hilarious really. pathetic little man. You know nothing, you cant express your point, you arent basing anything on fact just opinion, and just because you dont like the fact that i dont agree with your half assed theories im and "arsehole" come over to the gulf, work in the region for 20+ years, understand the dynamics of the place and the interaction with the rest of the sub-continent and then please feel free to pass on your opinions as fact. Until then - you're just making a fool of yourself. Your commmitment to poor grammar is impressive sir. I choose to work and live in a liberal democracy because I believe in human rights for all humans. I have no desire to live and work in a country that applies a virtual apartheid system to the majority of people who work there. In my opinion any country that denies adult human beings the right to express their own sexuality with other consenting adults is not worthy of competing in world sports events. You are clearly happy to live and work in the region. You clearly feel that you are superior to those workers from Asia who I imagine work for much less than you do. It sounds like you have found the perfect place for someone of your emotional intelligence to live. As I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of working conditions in Qatar perhaps you could furnish me with some facts so that I could come to a greater understanding of what a worker's paradise it truly is. Alternatively, you could continue to throw poorly worded insults at me. In the meantime a little gift from me to you... enjoy. I know how much you love an ellipsis.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 7, 2013 20:30:04 GMT
The players unions should also get involved.. or maybe they are
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 21:30:22 GMT
The issue here is FIFA, not the working conditions and pay of migrant workers. That's a whole separate debate and it's the bog-standard way in which all the modern Arabic oil states have constructed their cities and major civil projects over the last 20 years or so. Of course it is a contentious issue and obviously FIFA seem to be AOK with it. However, we've already seen an Gulf State sporting precedent set within F1. The construction of both Bahrain's International Circuit and Yas Marina Circuit in the UAE were built in exactly the same way.
At the end of the day, if the democratic West and it's Blue Ribband sporting bodies like F1 and FIFA fail to show any sort of moral leadership within the human rights arena, then what hope will there ever be for any of us? The World Cup should be boycotted as long as FIFA are running the show, they really are quite a dangerous organisation and by England competing in FIFA's Word Cup we are essentially saying that we are perfectly OK with the plight of all these migrant workers wherever they may be in the world. It's a real balls up this Qatar thing.
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 8, 2013 0:22:25 GMT
I lived in Qatar for 15 years so hopefully that qualifies my opinion sufficiently such that my take is not dismissed as 'half assed'
I agree with a lot of what is written in the article. What you will find with many expatriate workers in these regions (and by this I mean Americans and Europeans), is that they turn a blind eye to it, because basically it threatens the lifestyle to which many of them have become accustomed. Like FIFA - their morals are corrupted by $$$$$$$.
Workers in these places frequently die from either work related accidents or poor health. They have zero rights. They can go years without being paid what is owed to them.
I left Qatar when I was 16. I would never go back there, for many reasons, but what I've described above is a big part of it. We all make our own choices Sheikh, but lets not pretend its not happening or attempt to defend it.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 8, 2013 2:14:37 GMT
lazy journalism and poor standard of comments on this post. Yes, it might seem a low wage to you in your ivory towers in the west, but what choice to these guys have? sleeping in the streets of india, pakistan, bangladesh etc with nothing. this allows them to feed and shelter their families back home. This is the closest you've come to making a point in this thread, so I'll engage with it. Firstly, can you give an example of what about the article was 'lazy journalism'? Secondly, your point seems to be that if people are desperate, it's okay to make them work in awful conditions and pay them a pittance. Is that not exploitation?
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Post by dam on Sept 8, 2013 3:00:28 GMT
I lived in Qatar for 15 years so hopefully that qualifies my opinion sufficiently such that my take is not dismissed as 'half assed' I agree with a lot of what is written in the article. What you will find with many expatriate workers in these regions (and by this I mean Americans and Europeans), is that they turn a blind eye to it, because basically it threatens the lifestyle to which many of them have become accustomed. Like FIFA - their morals are corrupted by $$$$$$$. Workers in these places frequently die from either work related accidents or poor health. They have zero rights. They can go years without being paid what is owed to them. I left Qatar when I was 16. I would never go back there, for many reasons, but what I've described above is a big part of it. We all make our own choices Sheikh, but lets not pretend its not happening or attempt to defend it. In your opening sentence you state you lived in Qatar for 15 years, I assume you did this to introduce yourself as someone qualified to offer a legitimate and reasoned argument in this debate, you then go on to say you left Qatar as a 16 year old and say "I would never go back there, for many reasons" Can I ask what you saw of working conditions and workers while you was in nappies and junior school. That article is correct in some respects, but is about as accurate as a Danny Dyer documentary on modern day 'firms' at football games, it is misleading and sensational, something so called investigate journalists are prone to. How do I qualify to state my opinion you may ask, well I have worked in many of the gulf states over the past 25 years, although not Qatar (but I've holidayed there) I have worked in Saudi, Iran, Kuwait and Bahrain and in the last 10 years have worked for a company who have opened factories in the emirates of Dubai and recently Ras Al Khaimah, I have been a major part in getting those factories up and running, working along side many of migrant workers in question. The photographs alone in that article are bullsh*t, two show worker on a mats resting, indicating that is their normal sleeping space, when I first went out to Dubai the heat was unbearable to work in, my previous jobs in the gulf had all been supervisory not grafting in an un finished factory without air con or air circulation, during the afternoon you hit a physical wall of exhaustion because of the temeratures that was unreal, that was until our labourers showed and advised me to get down on the floor in a shaded area at lunch time and sleep instead of sitting in an cabin drinking coffee and chatting, I cant begin to tell you how much better it was when we started sleeping for an hour on the factory floor instead at lunch time. The other photo shows a worker sat at the side of a site box on a breeze block eating his lunch, that is something that happens daily in this country on nearly every building site or factory installation project I go on, but perhaps that journalist or photographer is only used to lunching in London's celebratory restaurants on their fat expense account. There is a lot that can be done to improve the lot of migrant workers in the gulf states, but how many of youconsider that on your visits to the fabulous holiday hotels in places like Sharm El Sheikh, Dubai, Abu Dhabi or indeed Doha in Qatar. I could also throw in thousands of cruise ships, all of who rely on low paid migrant workers from the Indian sub continent, Philippines or South and Central America and are treated just as badly, just so your two weeks in the sun every year remains affordable. Gross hypocrisy springs to mind. And lastly all of those people choose to leave the abject poverty they live in their own countries so would it not be better to address the problem at source instead of picking easy targets like Qatar.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 8, 2013 3:09:31 GMT
I lived in Qatar for 15 years so hopefully that qualifies my opinion sufficiently such that my take is not dismissed as 'half assed' I agree with a lot of what is written in the article. What you will find with many expatriate workers in these regions (and by this I mean Americans and Europeans), is that they turn a blind eye to it, because basically it threatens the lifestyle to which many of them have become accustomed. Like FIFA - their morals are corrupted by $$$$$$$. Workers in these places frequently die from either work related accidents or poor health. They have zero rights. They can go years without being paid what is owed to them. I left Qatar when I was 16. I would never go back there, for many reasons, but what I've described above is a big part of it. We all make our own choices Sheikh, but lets not pretend its not happening or attempt to defend it. In your opening sentence you state you lived in Qatar for 15 years, I assume you did this to introduce yourself as someone qualified to offer a legitimate and reasoned argument in this debate, you then go on to say you left Qatar as a 16 year old and say "I would never go back there, for many reasons" Can I ask what you saw of working conditions and workers while you was in nappies and junior school. That article is correct in some respects, but is about as accurate as a Danny Dyer documentary on modern day 'firms' at football games, it is misleading and sensational, something so called investigate journalists are prone to. How do I qualify to state my opinion you may ask, well I have worked in many of the gulf states over the past 25 years, although not Qatar (but I've holidayed there) I have worked in Saudi, Iran, Kuwait and Bahrain and in the last 10 years have worked for a company who have opened factories in the emirates of Dubai and recently Ras Al Khaimah, I have been a major part in getting those factories up and running, working along side many of migrant workers in question. The photographs alone in that article are bullsh*t, two show worker on a mats resting, indicating that is their normal sleeping space, when I first went out to Dubai the heat was unbearable to work in, my previous jobs in the gulf had all been supervisory not grafting in an un finished factory without air con or air circulation, during the afternoon you hit a physical wall of exhaustion because of the temeratures that was unreal, that was until our labourers showed and advised me to get down on the floor in a shaded area at lunch time and sleep instead of sitting in an cabin drinking coffee and chatting, I cant begin to tell you how much better it was when we started sleeping for an hour on the factory floor instead at lunch time. The other photo shows a worker sat at the side of a site box on a breeze block eating his lunch, that is something that happens daily in this country on nearly every building site or factory installation project I go on, but perhaps that journalist or photographer is only used to lunching in London's celebratory restaurants on their fat expense account. There is a lot that can be done to improve the lot of migrant workers in the gulf states, but how many of youconsider that on your visits to the fabulous holiday hotels in places like Sharm El Sheikh, Dubai, Abu Dhabi or indeed Doha in Qatar. I could also throw in thousands of cruise ships, all of who rely on low paid migrant workers from the Indian sub continent, Philippines or South and Central America and are treated just as badly, just so your two weeks in the sun every year remains affordable. Gross hypocrisy springs to mind. And lastly all of those people choose to leave the abject poverty they live in their own countries so would it not be better to address the problem at source instead of picking easy targets like Qatar. Again - which parts of the article are misleading and sensational? All you've done is address 'points' that you've imagined were made by two photographs.
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Post by dam on Sept 8, 2013 3:17:22 GMT
This is the closest you've come to making a point in this thread, so I'll engage with it. Firstly, can you give an example of what about the article was 'lazy journalism'? Secondly, your point seems to be that if people are desperate, it's okay to make them work in awful conditions and pay them a pittance. Is that not exploitation? I hope I have answered both those points in my reply to this thread. As for the awful condition you talk about, EVERY construction project in the world suffers from awful conditions, hot/cold, wet/damp, dirty, noisy, dangerous, shitting in nasty smelly plastic toilets, usually no rest facilities, sitting at your work place to eat and drink without washing your hands, how do you think MODERN nations get built. For christs sake do you think the developers provided winibagos and outside catering to the brickies, joiners, plastererers, plumbers & labourers who built your house.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 8, 2013 3:26:50 GMT
This is the closest you've come to making a point in this thread, so I'll engage with it. Firstly, can you give an example of what about the article was 'lazy journalism'? Secondly, your point seems to be that if people are desperate, it's okay to make them work in awful conditions and pay them a pittance. Is that not exploitation? I hope I have answered both those points in my reply to this thread. As for the awful condition you talk about, EVERY construction project in the world suffers from awful conditions, hot/cold, wet/damp, dirty, noisy, dangerous, shitting in nasty smelly plastic toilets, usually no rest facilities, sitting at your work place to eat and drink without washing your hands, how do you think MODERN nations get built. For christs sake do you think the developers provided winibagos and outside catering to the brickies, joiners, plastererers, plumbers & labourers who built your house. You haven't addressed either of them. I'll assume you weren't serious suggesting that construction workers in the UK or Germany have exactly the same working conditions as the people talked about in the article.
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Post by dam on Sept 8, 2013 3:32:54 GMT
Construction workers at the new Wembley Stadium are marching on Wednesday to call on the government to make building sites safer. The protest is being held to mark Workers Memorial Day, a global event held every year on 28 April.
They will remember Patrick O'Sullivan, who died in January after being hit by falling scaffolding on the site in north-west London.
About 70 workers die every year on building site accidents in the UK.
One of the march's organisers, Tony O'Brien, said: "There's been over 60 construction workers killed in the last 12 months in this country and every single one of them could have been prevented.
"The public are with us on this, there are too many accidents at work, too many deaths and we want action taken to prevent this happening in the future."
The government says most accidents on sites are predictable and preventable, if employers and employees follow health and safety laws and guidelines.
Mr O'Sullivan's wife will join the march to the new stadium's site and his daughter Margaret is due to lay a wreath.
The Heath and Safety Executive is investigating the death.
This was from 2004, it may not be as bad now but it shows that even in countries with strong H&S control like Britain, the construction industry is a shitty dangerous business.
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Post by dam on Sept 8, 2013 3:43:24 GMT
I hope I have answered both those points in my reply to this thread. As for the awful condition you talk about, EVERY construction project in the world suffers from awful conditions, hot/cold, wet/damp, dirty, noisy, dangerous, shitting in nasty smelly plastic toilets, usually no rest facilities, sitting at your work place to eat and drink without washing your hands, how do you think MODERN nations get built. For christs sake do you think the developers provided winibagos and outside catering to the brickies, joiners, plastererers, plumbers & labourers who built your house. You haven't addressed either of them. I'll assume you weren't serious suggesting that construction workers in the UK or Germany have exactly the same working conditions as the people talked about in the article. Yes I am suggesting that, construction sites are are much the same world wide, that article states that many deaths are from heat exhaustion through over working, can I ask if you have ever been on a major construction project either here or especially in the middle east. Do you realise that most of the architects, senior civil engineers, project managers, building supervisors and health and safety agents working on the projects in Qatar or any of the gulf states are mostly, European, American, Canadian or Australian, do you think they run these projects differently than they would anywhere else in the world, or do you think they turn into murderers and slave masters as soon as they go to work there.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 8, 2013 4:03:40 GMT
You haven't addressed either of them. I'll assume you weren't serious suggesting that construction workers in the UK or Germany have exactly the same working conditions as the people talked about in the article. Yes I am suggesting that, construction sites are are much the same world wide, that article states that many deaths are from heat exhaustion through over working, can I ask if you have ever been on a major construction project either here or especially in the middle east. Do you realise that most of the architects, senior civil engineers, project managers, building supervisors and health and safety agents working on the projects in Qatar or any of the gulf states are mostly, European, American, Canadian or Australian, do you think they run these projects differently than they would anywhere else in the world, or do you think they turn into murderers and slave masters as soon as they go to work there. So deaths from heat exhaustion/dehydration/overwork, dollar-an-hour wages, 60-hour weeks and cramped, unsanitary living conditions are features of any typical construction site you might find in England or Canada? I don't think you're being honest. And in fact, even if that was true, it still doesn't change anything about the apparent situation in Doha. Still waiting for examples of how the article is misleading or sensationalist.
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Post by dam on Sept 8, 2013 4:07:59 GMT
Just doing a little research on the author of that article Philippe Auclair, suggests his feelings about the way Homosexual and Lesbian people are treated in Middle Eastern Arab countries has some bearing on his views on Migrant workers in Qatar.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 8, 2013 4:11:55 GMT
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Post by dam on Sept 8, 2013 4:28:30 GMT
Yes I am suggesting that, construction sites are are much the same world wide, that article states that many deaths are from heat exhaustion through over working, can I ask if you have ever been on a major construction project either here or especially in the middle east. Do you realise that most of the architects, senior civil engineers, project managers, building supervisors and health and safety agents working on the projects in Qatar or any of the gulf states are mostly, European, American, Canadian or Australian, do you think they run these projects differently than they would anywhere else in the world, or do you think they turn into murderers and slave masters as soon as they go to work there. So deaths from heat exhaustion/dehydration/overwork, dollar-an-hour wages, 60-hour weeks and cramped, unsanitary living conditions are features of any typical construction site you might find in England or Canada? I don't think you're being honest. And in fact, even if that was true, it still doesn't change anything about the apparent situation in Doha. Still waiting for examples of how the article is misleading or sensationalist. Have you ever been to one of these construction sites or indeed a migrant workers camps? There is not one scrap of evidence about deaths from heat exhaustion or overworking, he states they don't get time off in the summer, do you suggest construction work only take place in cooler months. As I said I have worked in these countries along side Asian labourers, from a western viewpoint their living facilities may seem awful but I have lived in factory accommodation on trips abroad many times along with thousands of other European migrant workers, not many Hotels in desert oil fields, not many workers get to stay in the Hyatt Regency like Philippe Auclair does when he works abroad. As I stated before the working conditions on the construction sites themselves are no different to any world wide, something neither you or the author know anything about. You ask what is misleading or sensationalist in the article, I will reply AGAIN, tell me what relevance and bearing the photographs alone have and why did he use them? As you know a picture speaks a thousand words and he is trying to portray that, getting your head down during the day, or using a site box as your lunch table and a breeze block as your seat is somehow some form of modern day toil, when in fact it is something workers worldwide do every day given half a chance. But as I said before philippe auclair would not know that being used to silk sheets 5 star cuisine when he is working. One last thing, can you tell us all what YOU do for a living.
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Sept 8, 2013 6:30:14 GMT
So deaths from heat exhaustion/dehydration/overwork, dollar-an-hour wages, 60-hour weeks and cramped, unsanitary living conditions are features of any typical construction site you might find in England or Canada? I don't think you're being honest. And in fact, even if that was true, it still doesn't change anything about the apparent situation in Doha. Still waiting for examples of how the article is misleading or sensationalist. Have you ever been to one of these construction sites or indeed a migrant workers camps? There is not one scrap of evidence about deaths from heat exhaustion or overworking, he states they don't get time off in the summer, do you suggest construction work only take place in cooler months. As I said I have worked in these countries along side Asian labourers, from a western viewpoint their living facilities may seem awful but I have lived in factory accommodation on trips abroad many times along with thousands of other European migrant workers, not many Hotels in desert oil fields, not many workers get to stay in the Hyatt Regency like Philippe Auclair does when he works abroad. As I stated before the working conditions on the construction sites themselves are no different to any world wide, something neither you or the author know anything about. You ask what is misleading or sensationalist in the article, I will reply AGAIN, tell me what relevance and bearing the photographs alone have and why did he use them? As you know a picture speaks a thousand words and he is trying to portray that, getting your head down during the day, or using a site box as your lunch table and a breeze block as your seat is somehow some form of modern day toil, when in fact it is something workers worldwide do every day given half a chance. But as I said before philippe auclair would not know that being used to silk sheets 5 star cuisine when he is working. One last thing, can you tell us all what YOU do for a living. You're wasting your time Dam - the idiots on this thread don't have the intelligence to accept their view could be anything but 110% fact. As for the lad with the 15 years experience of qatar, yet left when he was 16? your couldn't make it up! Its just the hypocrisy and the sensationalism of it all that gets me and you are right to point out the photos are bullshit. I could take a photo of the security guys in my office block sleeping on the floor on flattened cardboard boxes with their shoes as a pillow during their shift - what that says to me is hes a lazy fuck who blocks a fire exit. To people on this board it would be an example of the building management exploiting their staff. Take anything in isolation add some words to suit your agenda, and bingo! ... you have fact.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 8, 2013 6:56:41 GMT
Well we know the character of Sepp Blatter. He thinks that racism should be settled with a handshake & womens footie could be improved with scimpier shorts. Corruption is the elephant in the room, cause it's the only possible reason that Qatar got the world cup, it's glaringly obvious & a shameful stain on our game...
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Post by burge2u on Sept 8, 2013 8:52:17 GMT
Well we know the character of Sepp Blatter. He thinks that racism should be settled with a handshake & womens footie could be improved with scimpier shorts. Corruption is the elephant in the room, cause it's the only possible reason that Qatar got the world cup, it's glaringly obvious & a shameful stain on our game... Exactly
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 10:00:21 GMT
Well we know the character of Sepp Blatter. He thinks that racism should be settled with a handshake & womens footie could be improved with scimpier shorts. Corruption is the elephant in the room, cause it's the only possible reason that Qatar got the world cup, it's glaringly obvious & a shameful stain on our game... No thats not the white elephant. The white elephant is every country going along with it, the fact the people who are sent to represent us do not speak out. Why? Maybe they are just as corrupt.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 8, 2013 10:02:21 GMT
Have you ever been to one of these construction sites or indeed a migrant workers camps? There is not one scrap of evidence about deaths from heat exhaustion or overworking, he states they don't get time off in the summer, do you suggest construction work only take place in cooler months. As I said I have worked in these countries along side Asian labourers, from a western viewpoint their living facilities may seem awful but I have lived in factory accommodation on trips abroad many times along with thousands of other European migrant workers, not many Hotels in desert oil fields, not many workers get to stay in the Hyatt Regency like Philippe Auclair does when he works abroad. As I stated before the working conditions on the construction sites themselves are no different to any world wide, something neither you or the author know anything about. You ask what is misleading or sensationalist in the article, I will reply AGAIN, tell me what relevance and bearing the photographs alone have and why did he use them? As you know a picture speaks a thousand words and he is trying to portray that, getting your head down during the day, or using a site box as your lunch table and a breeze block as your seat is somehow some form of modern day toil, when in fact it is something workers worldwide do every day given half a chance. But as I said before philippe auclair would not know that being used to silk sheets 5 star cuisine when he is working. One last thing, can you tell us all what YOU do for a living. You're wasting your time Dam - the idiots on this thread don't have the intelligence to accept their view could be anything but 110% fact. As for the lad with the 15 years experience of qatar, yet left when he was 16? your couldn't make it up! Its just the hypocrisy and the sensationalism of it all that gets me and you are right to point out the photos are bullshit. I could take a photo of the security guys in my office block sleeping on the floor on flattened cardboard boxes with their shoes as a pillow during their shift - what that says to me is hes a lazy fuck who blocks a fire exit. To people on this board it would be an example of the building management exploiting their staff. Take anything in isolation add some words to suit your agenda, and bingo! ... you have fact. You clearly see those who disagree with your view of Qatar, as a worker's paradise that people from south asia are lucky to be allowed to go to, as some sort of pinko-commie-do-gooders. I wonder what your opinion of the US State Department is. They raise many concerns over the human rights of workers in Qatar. When you work in Qatar is your passport confiscated? Have you been denied an exit visa when you have tried to leave the country? You appear to do very well financially out of your associations with Gulf states; working there probably affords you a lifestyle that you would be unable to lead if you worked in Europe. I imagine your wages are subsidised in part by the exploitation of those lucky migrant workers with their £6.50 a week pay packets. You are probably concerned that if these workers were paid a little more it would have a negative affect on your own pay. When you are enjoying your luxury lifestyle do you remind yourself of the fortunate asian workers who benefit so greatly from their employment in Dubai? Would you be happy for a member of your family to work in the same conditions as the great majority of the migrant workers in Qatar? Maybe you believe we should introduce similar rights for workers into Britain. If we housed labourers and factory workers in big dormitories away from their families and set restrictions on when and where they could travel they wouldn't need to be paid so much and the executives and owners could get paid even more, maybe as much as they'd get in Qatar. To return to football, I believe that we should boycott the world cup in Dubai. Civilized countries should not play sport with countries that deny so many of their inhabitants the basic human rights we all take for granted in the 21st century.
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Post by boothenesque on Sept 8, 2013 14:37:18 GMT
Perhaps we have it wrong and Sheikh has it spot on that these guys handing over their passports for safe-keeping, plus a holiday for a year or 2 away from the family, plus the job security, working on a worthwhile project to enable football matches to take place and they get some pocket money aswell. What more could anyone want? No doubt Sheikh would not want to miss out and is sending his CV over to take advantage of the fantastic deal on offer. Maybe they have it too good.
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