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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 10:48:23 GMT
Nobody is tickling my tummy **************, as you so eloquently put it. I am merely stating that in my opinion the prospect of a winter WC is not that bad. The fact that Qatar were awarded it in the 1st place is a totally different issue. I know that Shangs. But I can't seem to separate the two issues. (ie the WC award and then the shift in date - that's for you Millsy baby x hic!) and I really don't see why we should take it up the a**e because nobody had a thermometer at FIFA. jesus......so you accept they're 2 different issues but because YOU can't seperate them (which everyone else seems to be able to) then everyone else can sit back and have the piss taken out of them by you? bloody nora!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 11:08:29 GMT
Is this what you're on about?
"I reckon that the Football Associations of Belgium, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Australia, Japan, South Korea, and the United States are all fairly livid"
So are the United States, Australia, Japan and South Korea all in Europe now? Or is Europe just made up of Belgium, Holland, Portugal and Spain? Either way, just go to bed Millsy lad. And you do definitely need to chill out a bit fella.
Anyhow, here's a video that will soothe your troubled mind and calm your wicked tongue.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2013 11:09:12 GMT
What would constitute as Winter? Are they considering a February WC for example? - Remove 'international friendly' breaks for the 2021-22 season (any friendlies have to be midweek, if the midweek is spare) - FA Cup matches to be played Midweek - no replays for a one-off season - Start the season 2 weeks earlier and end it 2 weeks later. Probably would be the least disruptive way. It's not just about whether or not England qualify - many Prem players are internationals for various countries. Some excellent suggestions here, possibly keep the later rounds of the FA Cup at weekends (currently there is some adjustment of fixtures at the later stages and league games are moved) A reduction in International friendlies (as suggested in the opening comment) could be an important consideration Another excellent point is some adjustment in the season before this, maybe ending a couple of weeks earlier to allow the players to have a good break. Interesting transfer window timing? Hmmm .... We have the European Championships in summer 2020, so it's going to be impossible to start the 2020/2021 season any earlier. Remove international friendly breaks? If the World Cup is brought forward six months to Jan/Feb 2022 then that is going to mean that we are going to have to play EVERY World Cup qualifier during the 2020/2021 season, we will be cramming all the matches into 10 months, instead of the 18 months that we do now. There will be such an INCREASE in the number of internationals that actually we won't have time for international friendlies anyway and when would all the Premiership games be played that hadn't been played to allow for the extra internationals that will be taking place that season? I know - we'll extend the season to accommodate them but we can't actually extend the season can we? Why? Because the following season is starting earlier to accommodate two months of Word Cup in January! It's a vicious circle. The players are going to have the heaviest season ever during 2020/2021 season and then they're going to be expected to compete in the 2021/2022 season with Qatar World Cup staged right in the middle of it and then have to come back with very little recovery time and compete for domestic honours in their host nations, they will be utterly shattered and we're apparently doing all this to primarly to protect the health of the players? You couldn't make it up. It's all very well saying, ah but it's nine years away, we've got plenty of time to prepare for it, without actually thinking about it too much. But when you do stop and think about it for a little while, it becomes apparent that it doesn't matter if we've got nine or ninety years to prepare for it because at the end of the day footballers are only human and only a certain number of games can be squeezed into any specific period of time. I think UEFA have only agreed to a Winter World Cup in principal (and indeed in principal there's not a lot wrong with it) but they want a full and transparent debate about every facet of the game that will be affected by the switch before any further decision is taken. You do wonder, once that debate has taken place, just where will that leave us?
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Post by foster on Sept 20, 2013 11:14:05 GMT
I don't really care as long as it doesn't somehow lead to a permanent winter break being adopted for the Prem.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 11:15:59 GMT
Is this what you're on about? "I reckon that the Football Associations of Belgium, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Australia, Japan, South Korea, and the United States are all fairly livid"So are the United States, Australia, Japan and South Korea all in Europe now? Or is Europe just made up of Belgium, Holland, Portugal and Spain? Either way, just go to bed Millsy lad. And you do definitely need to chill out a bit fella.
Anyhow, here's a video that will soothe your troubled mind and calm your wicked tongue.
pretty sure that Belgium, the Netherlands, Portugal and Spain are...as are Italy, Germany and France who you also referred to below that passage. i repeat **************, all i did in my original response was basically report the facts that are available on the internet and in the papers today.i never gave my opinion on it and then i'm pretty sure it was you that then started to patronise people and go off topic re: what i was referring to......you crack on mate as you obviously have an inability to actually discuss properly or read people's posts properly before simply resorting to insults.can't be arsed with you anymore
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 11:17:50 GMT
Some excellent suggestions here, possibly keep the later rounds of the FA Cup at weekends (currently there is some adjustment of fixtures at the later stages and league games are moved) A reduction in International friendlies (as suggested in the opening comment) could be an important consideration Another excellent point is some adjustment in the season before this, maybe ending a couple of weeks earlier to allow the players to have a good break. Interesting transfer window timing? Hmmm .... We have the European Championships in summer 2020, so it's going to be impossible to start the 2020/2021 season any earlier. Remove international friendly breaks? If the World Cup is brought forward six months to Jan/Feb 2022 then that is going to mean that we are going to have to play EVERY World Cup qualifier during the 2020/2021 season, we will be cramming all the matches into 10 months, instead of the 18 months that we do now. There will be such an INCREASE in the number of internationals that actually we won't have time for international friendlies anyway and when would all the Premiership games be played that hadn't been played to allow for the extra internationals that will be taking place that season? I know - we'll extend the season to accommodate them but we can't actually extend the season can we? Why? Because the following season is starting earlier to accommodate two months of Word Cup in January! It's a vicious circle. The players are going to have the heaviest season ever during 2020/2021 season and then they're going to be expected to compete in the 2021/2022 season with Qatar World Cup staged right in the middle of it and then have to come back with very little recovery time and compete for domestic honours in their host nations, they will be utterly shattered and we're apparently doing all this to primarly to protect the health of the players? You couldn't make it up. It's all very well saying, ah but it's nine years away, we've got plenty of time to prepare for it, without actually thinking about it too much. But when you do stop and think about it for a little while, it becomes apparent that it doesn't matter if we've got nine or ninety years to prepare for it because at the end of the day footballers are only human and only a certain number of games can be squeezed into any specific period of time. I think the UEFA clubs have only agreed to a Winter World Cup in principal (and indeed in principal there's not a lot wrong with it) but they want a full and transparent debate about every facet of the game that will be affected by the switch before any further decision is taken. You do wonder, once that debate has taken place, just where will that leave us? personally i think the best idea (and easiest option) to incorporate all the messing about of schedules etc. is to play the World Cup in May. apparently the average temp. is around 15 degrees lower in May and would keep disruption to a minimum.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2013 11:24:36 GMT
Hmmm .... We have the European Championships in summer 2020, so it's going to be impossible to start the 2020/2021 season any earlier. Remove international friendly breaks? If the World Cup is brought forward six months to Jan/Feb 2022 then that is going to mean that we are going to have to play EVERY World Cup qualifier during the 2020/2021 season, we will be cramming all the matches into 10 months, instead of the 18 months that we do now. There will be such an INCREASE in the number of internationals that actually we won't have time for international friendlies anyway and when would all the Premiership games be played that hadn't been played to allow for the extra internationals that will be taking place that season? I know - we'll extend the season to accommodate them but we can't actually extend the season can we? Why? Because the following season is starting earlier to accommodate two months of Word Cup in January! It's a vicious circle. The players are going to have the heaviest season ever during 2020/2021 season and then they're going to be expected to compete in the 2021/2022 season with Qatar World Cup staged right in the middle of it and then have to come back with very little recovery time and compete for domestic honours in their host nations, they will be utterly shattered and we're apparently doing all this to primarly to protect the health of the players? You couldn't make it up. It's all very well saying, ah but it's nine years away, we've got plenty of time to prepare for it, without actually thinking about it too much. But when you do stop and think about it for a little while, it becomes apparent that it doesn't matter if we've got nine or ninety years to prepare for it because at the end of the day footballers are only human and only a certain number of games can be squeezed into any specific period of time. I think the UEFA clubs have only agreed to a Winter World Cup in principal (and indeed in principal there's not a lot wrong with it) but they want a full and transparent debate about every facet of the game that will be affected by the switch before any further decision is taken. You do wonder, once that debate has taken place, just where will that leave us? personally i think the best idea (and easiest option) to incorporate all the messing about of schedules etc. is to play the World Cup in May. apparently the average temp. is around 15 degrees lower in May and would keep disruption to a minimum. www.arabtimesonline.com/NewsDetails/tabid/96/smid/414/ArticleID/199920/reftab/36/t/UEFA-members-back-winter-World-Cup-in-Qatar/Default.aspx"European football failed to reach consensus on Thursday in the intensifying debate on switching the 2022 World Cup in Qatar from summer to winter. Though UEFA’s 54 member countries on Wednesday supported the change which threatens upheaval in football’s historic seasonal calendar, its influential policy advisory body has refused to agree to anything before detailed consultation with FIFA. Clubs, leagues and players’ unions which join national federations in the Professional Football Strategy Council declined to give UEFA President Michel Platini approval for the change"
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 20, 2013 11:25:59 GMT
Go steady on this one guys.........another 9 years on this thread yet, or is it 9 and 1/2?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 20, 2013 11:41:00 GMT
It's a vicious circle. The players are going to have the heaviest season ever during 2020/2021 season and then they're going to be expected to compete in the 2021/2022 season with Qatar World Cup staged right in the middle of it and then have to come back with very little recovery time and compete for domestic honours in their host nations, they will be utterly shattered and we're apparently doing all this to primarly to protect the health of the players? You couldn't make it up. It's not only the players, Paul. What about the fans? What about fans who like to travel abroad & watch their nations qualifying matches, they've suddenly got to find two years worth of money & time off work & cramb it all into 10 months. The same will surely apply to season tickets, with all the extra qualifying games & FA cup/League cup games being moved around I'd imagine as there'll be loads of Premiership games played mid-week..... Although which mid-weeks I don't know 'cos of the Champions League & Europa League. There aren't any mid-weeks which are free where we can fit these games in, the only weeks we could free-up are the international friendlies but they'll be filled by the qualifiers. So we have to move a season to start sooner or finish later, but then we're clashing with European Championship so that can't happen. About the only way we can fit things in is by having four seasons run back-to-back with no break in them. Season 2019/2020 starts in August & finishes in May, we then have Euro 2020 durring the summer. 2020/2021 starts in August & finishes in mid-May, the very next week season 2021/2022 begins, takes its 'break' in winter for the World Cup, season 2021/2022 finishes around mid to late July & then season 2022/2023 starts in August. So from June/July 2019 'till June/July 2023 we basically have one long, non-stop 'season'. It's all just one big mess. What we need is a radical solution like, oh I don't know, staging the World Cup in the fucking summer!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2013 11:52:28 GMT
It's a vicious circle. The players are going to have the heaviest season ever during 2020/2021 season and then they're going to be expected to compete in the 2021/2022 season with Qatar World Cup staged right in the middle of it and then have to come back with very little recovery time and compete for domestic honours in their host nations, they will be utterly shattered and we're apparently doing all this to primarly to protect the health of the players? You couldn't make it up. It's not only the players, Paul. What about the fans? What about fans who like to travel abroad & watch their nations qualifying matches, they've suddenly got to find two years worth of money & time off work & cramb it all into 10 months. The same will surely apply to season tickets, with all the extra qualifying games & FA cup/League cup games being moved around I'd imagine as there'll be loads of Premiership games played mid-week..... Although which mid-weeks I don't know 'cos of the Champions League & Europa League. There aren't any mid-weeks which are free where we can fit these games in, the only weeks we could free-up are the international friendlies but they'll be filled by the qualifiers. So we have to move a season to start sooner or finish later, but then we're clashing with European Championship so that can't happen. About the only way we can fit things in is by having four seasons run back-to-back with no break in them. Season 2019/2020 starts in August & finishes in May, we then have Euro 2020 durring the summer. 2020/2021 starts in August & finishes in mid-May, the very next week season 2021/2022 begins, takes its 'break' in winter for the World Cup, season 2021/2022 finishes around mid to late July & then season 2022/2023 starts in August. So from June/July 2019 'till June/July 2023 we basically have one long, non-stop 'season'. It's all just one big mess. What we need is a radical solution like, oh I don't know, staging the World Cup in the fucking summer! Maybe we should just go with Platini's suggestion this morning, that the English should just scrap the FA and League cup's for three of four seasons ... Said in jest for sure but it wouldn't surprise you at some point, would it?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 20, 2013 11:59:32 GMT
Maybe we should just go with Platini's suggestion this morning, that the English should just scrap the FA and League cup's for three of four seasons ... Or even better, seeing as FIFA & UEFA are so desperate to hold the FIFA World Cup in the winter of the 2021/2022 season, they could show us how they're not just doing this for the money & are genuinely doing it for footballing reasons by scrapping the UEFA Champions League & Europa Leagues for that season, then we can just slot the Premiership games we'd have to move for the World Cup into the space created by a lack of Champions League & Europa League games durring every mid-week. ..... Yeah, I wont hold my breath either!
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 20, 2013 12:10:29 GMT
![/quote]Maybe we should just go with Platini's suggestion this morning, that the English should just scrap the FA and League cup's for three of four seasons ... Said in jest for sure but it wouldn't surprise you at some point, would it? [/quote] And wouldn't be a surprise if that suggestion came from the Premier League. They would be delighted with that. Lets not hold up the Premier League as a force of justice and righteousness In all of this. As corrupt and self serving as any other football organisation. FA Cups and League Cups will go before any Premier League commitments that's for sure.
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Post by basingstokie on Sept 20, 2013 12:14:47 GMT
personally i think the best idea (and easiest option) to incorporate all the messing about of schedules etc. is to play the World Cup in May. apparently the average temp. is around 15 degrees lower in May and would keep disruption to a minimum. Makes sense doesn't it. 2021-22 has v limited international friendly gaps and probably starts a fortnight earlier. 2022-23 would be completely unaffected. But it sounds like the are going for winter and probably Nov/Dec 2022 in order to avoid a clash with Winter Olympics
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2013 13:33:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2013 3:25:37 GMT
personally i think the best idea (and easiest option) to incorporate all the messing about of schedules etc. is to play the World Cup in May. apparently the average temp. is around 15 degrees lower in May and would keep disruption to a minimum. No, it's too hot in May. Mid-Late March would be touch and go in the Gulf. Just observing the Qatar debate on the Oatcake, it really surprises me how many posters are so passive on the issue and think that we should just accept it - even though they accept that the whole situation is rotten. I find that odd especially when you see what happens on the board if there's a 15 minute queue to get tickets at the Brit, World War 3 breaks out! I suppose that's all part of the fun of the Oatcake though. But on a serious note, if this whole situation is to be outed, it will come from concerned fans through social media sites like this one. We live in a very different world these days and I think the final outcome to this issue may not be as straightforward as some people imagine it to be. Anyhow, we only have 9 years to wait...
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 21, 2013 9:00:51 GMT
Fairly obvious that they will not take the world cup from Qatar instead they will switch to winter, and I personally do not see a prob with that.It will involve a European wide winter break which will need to be phased in gradually, and involve a few more midweek games, and lets face it, the championship and lge 1 & 2 start before us & finish before us. So starting in 2020 finish 2 weeks earlier, say end April, start 2 weeks earlier, Early Aug, and have a 2 week winter break, then 2021, bring end forward and start forward by 1 week, then for 2022 same again and a 4 week winter break will be easier to accommodate. You simply cannot impose it immediately, it has to be phased in, and indeed phased out, and lets face it, it is not that long ago when the prem was 22 teams and it always finished earlier than it does these days. Really? 70% of the players that competed in the South Africa World Cup ply their trade in the European Leagues and are paid extremely handsomely by their host football clubs, football clubs who are in turn beholden to sponsors and tv companies. European football is the life blood of the game and you can't just tell everybody that is a part of it, from supporters, to players, to clubs, to sponsors and tv companies that their leagues are going to be suspended because FIFA want to stage the World Cup in a country which is unable to stage it in the summer months. Just dealing with the Prem for a moment: 1. What if the TV companies don't want a two month break in the winter and threaten to reduce what they're prepared to pay for the rights to screen matches if there is a break - who picks up the financial shortfall? 2. What happens if England don't qualify for the World Cup, are we supposed to have a two month break in our calendar even though our national team isn't competing in the World Cup and as a result have issues with the domestic calendar for several seasons? 3. What happens to the January transfer window? 4. How are the major clubs going to react when scores of their players return injured and/or fatigued and are then expected to compete for European and domestic honours, without the players having had a summer break to recover? 5. What is the consideration for the knock effect into the lower leagues, how can League 1 finish in May and be ready to go again in August when the Championship and the Prem is going to finish much later and start much later the following term? 6. How are we going to squeeze all the domestic games into a shorter period, if the competiton is brought forward by six months, when we're going to be already trying to squeeze the World Cup qualifiers themselves into a shorter time frame as it is and as a result will have a congestion of international breaks? 7. The winter Olympics take place in Winter 2022, we're not going to seriously stage both competitions in the same season are we? I'm sure there are numerous other issues to consider also. If FIFA want to sit down with a proposal that addresses all of the above and no doubt much more and then give EVERYBODY time to consider that proposal fully, then we can CONSIDER playing the tournament in the winter but only then, a proposal that should have been a part of the Qatari bid from the outset. RE:7 Simples get the I.O.C. to move the games to Qatar in the summer
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2013 11:39:39 GMT
The IOC's statement made me laugh. You can bet that FIFA haven't even taken it into consideration due to their arrogance.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 21, 2013 16:37:20 GMT
The IOC's statement made me laugh. You can bet that FIFA haven't even taken it into consideration due to their arrogance. You can bet (due to their arrogance) that they haven't taken into consideration a lot of things mate, hence my '7 questions' post at the start of the thread.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2013 17:16:06 GMT
The IOC's statement made me laugh. You can bet that FIFA haven't even taken it into consideration due to their arrogance. You can bet (due to their arrogance) that they haven't taken into consideration a lot of things mate, hence my '7 questions' post at the start of the thread. Surely you mean your "7 undeniable facts" Paul? fwends?
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Post by chiefie on Sept 21, 2013 19:31:10 GMT
Are the other European nations going mad about it ? I'm really not sure about the validity or relevance in your question or indeed what you're actually driving at. However, I reckon that the Football Associations of Belgium, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Australia, Japan, South Korea, and the United States are all fairly livid. The Australian FFA are considering suing FIFA for 25mill. And when the French, Spanish, German and Italian FA's eventually break silence and also have to face up to some of the very real and very disruptive issues raised by Paul Spencer upthread, you tell me? What do you think? What do I think ? I think that football is getting pulled away from the real fans for commercial purposes - mostly in our country it seems. So just wondered if fans in other countries had a big issue with it ...., some countries already have a winter break but I feel the xmas games should be sacrosanct for us - or I did until we had two boxing day games at night on the trot that put the dampers on things. I try not to think too much
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2013 20:11:31 GMT
I'm really not sure about the validity or relevance in your question or indeed what you're actually driving at. However, I reckon that the Football Associations of Belgium, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Australia, Japan, South Korea, and the United States are all fairly livid. The Australian FFA are considering suing FIFA for 25mill. And when the French, Spanish, German and Italian FA's eventually break silence and also have to face up to some of the very real and very disruptive issues raised by Paul Spencer upthread, you tell me? What do you think? What do I think ? I think that football is getting pulled away from the real fans for commercial purposes - mostly in our country it seems. So just wondered if fans in other countries had a big issue with it ...., some countries already have a winter break but I feel the xmas games should be sacrosanct for us - or I did until we had two boxing day games at night on the trot that put the dampers on things. Exactly. That's my point. I really wasn't sure what you were driving at Chiefie. Nothing peed me off more than our Cup Final being sandwiched between two Premiership fixtures. I still think that the FA Cup should get it's own day with no other English football going on. And this is where FIFA need to be careful too. The World Cup is great but it's also a bit meaningless and for the last 3 or 4 tourneys it's usually a bit crap too. Get the rub of the green here, a penalty there and a minor footballing nation can get into a quarter or a semi. Meanwhile back here in the real world our club football is contested over a season and is way, way more important to the punters in England. Countries like Germany love their national side though, to them it's very important. And I can imagine the USA would see the tournament as an opportunity to stake their claim as a developing force. Qatar too, would like good progression in the tournament. It's just doesn't feel the same for me anymore. So are the rest of Europe pissed off? I'm not sure. But they bloody well should be with what the clowns at FIFA are up to.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 22, 2013 9:01:24 GMT
Fans on the continent are indeed pissed off about all this same as English fans are pissed off. You might think they aren't bothered because their FA's have approved it. Same as the English FA have approved it.
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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 25, 2013 18:40:32 GMT
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 25, 2013 23:30:58 GMT
About time FIFA done something, what about the players and managers unions/associations going over and having a look,,
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 1:12:56 GMT
I think that one of the key issues is that posters like Timmypotter and the chap who calls himself Sheikh al Dubai bin Stokie are both actually correct in their summaries of increased earnings, but neither are actually right. Just because immigrant workers are earning more than they could back at home is obviously enough for their own purposes of moral justification. Whilst this poor judgement appeases the western and Arabic concscience, it doesn't actually change the undeniable truth that these workers are still way, way down the ladder of human dignity. And trust me when I say way down, I really do mean way down. This is the crux of the whole issue. Our Arabs friends are building cities at a breakneck pace and they need the western design, management and architectural skills (for which they pay handsomely) executed through super cheap south east asian labour. That's the magic formula across the whole of the Gulf. It's the way Dubai was built and it's the way that Qatar are preparing for the World Cup.
As a western expat living and working in the UAE or in one of the other wealthy Gulf oil states you will ultimately have to accommodate the social ethics of the desperate situation faced by these migrant workers within your own head. Only then can you confidently stride out in the morning and casually inform the rest of the world that their situation is vastly improved or better because they simply have more money. Alternatively you can be honest and say "look, it's an unacceptable and totally shit situation that simply needs to change". The problem is that the arabic states simply don't want any change, in fact they don't see any issue or wrongdoing.
Many of these migrant workers are bought into the Gulf under false pretexts and there are many arabic and asian individuals who are handsomely profiting on the back of these unfortunates lot. Passports are generally withheld and it's very common to hear of individual cases where workers often go totally unpaid for months. Even as brother muslims most of these poor fellows essentially have no human rights, particularly on the construction sites. Sharia law largely seems to tolerate the situation too.
However, it's not just Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Nepalese and Indian men that get a bad deal. Filipino workers, mainly female, are also bought into the Gulf under false pretexts too. Many expect that they will be working in a Mall or a Restaurant, but a large percentage are put to work as prostitutes under duress. Their passports are also withheld and they are given the opportunity to buy back their passports and their freedom by fucking Arabic and Western men three or four times a day. Typically UK10,000 will see a Filipina's passport returned and these great natured and gentle people all to often return home broken and ruined for life. This particular racket is generally run by Arab men who have taken a Filipina lady for one of their wives and they simply provide a babysitter's Visa. It's not uncommon for some Arab men have over 100 babysitters on their house staff, each working as prostitutes at UK10,000 per passport. However, the Police and the courts generally turn a blind eye to this sort of thing too.
All is not well morally and socially in that part of the world. It's also true that only a small percentage of Arabs and Asians actually profit from the harsh situation. However, everyone out there is certainly guilty of tolerating it. Never let anyone attempt to justify, bamboozle or rationalise the situation to you, however convincing they may seem.
These nations and their civil engineering projects, including the FIFA Qatar WC2012, are being built through the cruel exploitation of our fellow human beings.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 26, 2013 2:16:16 GMT
Have you not seen the documentary Slumdogs and millionaires about Dubai? These guys don't get to send money home to their families, that's the whole point. If they are lucky or live long enough they can buy themselves out of the "contract" they've been duped into and get back to their families in around 15 years time having never had enough to send back if indeed they have been paid anything. They are there to work and die for as little as possible. Of course they've left because of their desperate plight back home. Your argument seems to be that because their life back home is so shit that it justifies them going to a place that is just as shit or more shit. It's not just that they are leaving shit to go to shit to be paid shit and live in shit but they are doing it for shit. I would rather top myself than be a socialist and would pride myself of dare I say alost being a Thatcherite Tory but this is just plain evil and wrong. We should be helping them build their communities at home not doing this and just for football ffs. ok - then answer me this. Every year,or every 2 these workers go home for a month, or 2 depending on their contract. Nearly all of them comes back, without fail, for more of the same. so if this is so terrible, so awful, so outrageous why would they make an independent, conscious decision to do that?? its not like they have a gun pointed at their heads. Because it's the best they can get throughout the region for the work they do. Your viewpoint is perplexing and sick do you not think that the bosses of these projects could and should be paying these workers more?
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Post by britsabroad on Sept 26, 2013 2:46:50 GMT
Anyone who goes to places like Dubai deserves to be shot. Can't stand those Arabs. They've become rich of someone else's work and yet come here driving round in fast fancy fucking cars making a nuisance. Send them all back! which one of my 2, 8 or 11 year old children would you like to shoot first? fucking moron. All of them together if they're anything like you. You get the occasional expat here with your superior attitude, thankfully they don't get on well and often leave rather quickly. Often to the ME region. I'm not sure how anyone can claim there isn't an issue with exploitation and human rights in the Middle East with a straight face. There has been an issue with it here, still is, but at least the government has acknowledged it and has taken many steps to address it. The UAE with their daft laws and idiotic leaders genuinely believe they are a superior species to the migrant workers, and that's the real problem. Plenty of evidence to support it. High suicide rates amongst migrant workers Confiscated passports Zero holidays Agents back home 'watching' over families Out of town migrant ghettos The simple fact they fawn over you the second you step off the plane and will do anything not to upset you because they know the consequences etc. etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 6:14:30 GMT
which one of my 2, 8 or 11 year old children would you like to shoot first? fucking moron. All of them together if they're anything like you. You get the occasional expat here with your superior attitude, thankfully they don't get on well and often leave rather quickly. Often to the ME region. I'm not sure how anyone can claim there isn't an issue with exploitation and human rights in the Middle East with a straight face. There has been an issue with it here, still is, but at least the government has acknowledged it and has taken many steps to address it. The UAE with their daft laws and idiotic leaders genuinely believe they are a superior species to the migrant workers, and that's the real problem. Plenty of evidence to support it. Although nobody should be talking about this fella's kids, or indeed anyone's kids in such harsh terms Brits, I think you have this clown clearly weighed up. I have intimate knowledge of migrant workers working conditions and also their digs. I've seen the incredibly harsh working conditions that these guys endure due to the jobs I held in Dubai and Abu Dhabi. I simply can't see how any right minded and decent person could come onto this board and basically try to bullshit his fellow Stokies as to the truth of the matter and what is essentially an appalling dereliction of basic human rights in a situation that occurs all over the Gulf on a daily basis. Unless he himself is completely misinformed, defending this shit only can only be regarded as an excercise in self-preservation and also self-denial. Many British expats are so self-absorbed and so far up their own arses that they just don't give a shit and i've seen things that made me feel ashamed to be British as well. Most ex-pats give a damn to varying degrees and find the situation troubling mentally, and sometimes hard to reconcile. But i've never heard of any British expat actually trying to defend the living nightmare that these blokes have to face up to every single morning. As if they haven't got enough to deal with. Through my colleagues in the UAE media and like many other British expats, I'm only too aware of a series of genuinely shocking events relating to a number of Nepalese workers that were employed in the construction of the Burj Khalifa in Dubai back in 2008. Obviously, none of these stories ever saw the light of day, nor will they, due to the seriousness of the events and the very strict state censorship and the largely state owned media, but what took place during that project's construction is relatively common knowledge within Dubai media circles. I honestly can't say any more about it than that. In some respects I'm glad that Qatar actually got the FIFA WC2022. Let's see how the moral degenerates who are responsible for the employment of these poor souls cope with a fucking Sun reporter shining a torch up their arsehole in their own back yard.
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Post by britsabroad on Sept 26, 2013 6:24:22 GMT
All of them together if they're anything like you. You get the occasional expat here with your superior attitude, thankfully they don't get on well and often leave rather quickly. Often to the ME region. I'm not sure how anyone can claim there isn't an issue with exploitation and human rights in the Middle East with a straight face. There has been an issue with it here, still is, but at least the government has acknowledged it and has taken many steps to address it. The UAE with their daft laws and idiotic leaders genuinely believe they are a superior species to the migrant workers, and that's the real problem. Plenty of evidence to support it. Although nobody should be talking about this fella's kids, or indeed anyone's kids in such harsh terms Brits, I think you have this clown clearly weighed up. I have intimate knowledge of migrant workers working conditions and also their digs. I've seen the incredibly harsh working conditions that these guys endure due to the jobs I held in Dubai and Abu Dhabi. I simply can't see how any right minded and decent person could come onto this board and basically try to bullshit his fellow Stokies as to the truth of the matter and what is essentially an appalling dereliction of basic human rights in a situation that occurs all over the Gulf on a daily basis. Unless he himself is completely misinformed, defending this shit only can only be regarded as an excercise in self-preservation and also self-denial. Many British expats are so self-absorbed and so far up their own arses that they just don't give a shit and i've seen things that made me feel ashamed to be British as well. I think that's exactly it; self preservation. His vociferous response has proven that one. He's obviously involved in it somehow and went off the handle because hes trying to convince himself as much as the rest of us. Point noted on the kids. I just get wound up by his sort. As I say, you see them from time to time where I live and each one does their best to set international community relations back a few years. Luckily they don't really fit in here and leave quickly, and a good deal do end up going to 'Dubs' where they miraculously fit in like a glove.
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Post by staffsvilla on Sept 26, 2013 7:28:37 GMT
i have been on this forum for over 18 months and i've said many times it's the only non-villa forum i post on because a]i live in the area and know loads of stokies and b] it's a bloody good forum, but as with all forums you have your forum moron ,step forward sheikh al dubai bin stokie , you sir are without doubt the most odious creature i have encountered since joining this forum, how you can defend the set up out there is not only amazing, but downright bloody wrong, this article www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/25/revealed-qatars-world-cup-slaves which was also linked above says all any DECENT human being needs to know about Qatar and its culture, and is just another in a long line of reasons why the 2022 World Cup should NEVER be held in Qatar at ANY time
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