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Post by spitthedog on Sept 19, 2013 13:25:08 GMT
The point about this is that it has been engineered through corruption. That lying arse Blatter knew all along that it would have to be moved if they got it, but pretended it was still going to be the summer. They would not have got it if they had been honest about their intentions. There have obviously been a lot of people in on this, probably including Platini. The dishonesty of people running FIFA and UEFA is incredible. Blatter has stated several times that he wanted the World Cup in USA and he voted for that. It was the European associations which voted for Qatar out of economic interests. But let's face it, it has always been like this. This is nothing new. There was probably dodgy dealings going on when we won the World Cup.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2013 13:30:07 GMT
Really? 70% of the players that competed in the South Africa World Cup ply their trade in the European Leagues and are paid extremely handsomely by their host football clubs, football clubs who are in turn beholden to sponsors and tv companies. European football is the life blood of the game and you can't just tell everybody that is a part of it, from supporters, to players, to clubs, to sponsors and tv companies that their leagues are going to be suspended because FIFA want to stage the World Cup in a country which is unable to stage it in the summer months. Just dealing with the Prem for a moment: 1. What if the TV companies don't want a two month break in the winter and threaten to reduce what they're prepared to pay for the rights to screen matches if there is a break - who picks up the financial shortfall? 2. What happens if England don't qualify for the World Cup, are we supposed to have a two month break in our calendar even though our national team isn't competing in the World Cup and as a result have issues with the domestic calendar for several seasons? 3. What happens to the January transfer window? 4. How are the major clubs going to react when scores of their players return injured and/or fatigued and are then expected to compete for European and domestic honours, without the players having had a summer break to recover? 5. What is the consideration for the knock effect into the lower leagues, how can League 1 finish in May and be ready to go again in August when the Championship and the Prem is going to finish much later and start much later the following term? 6. How are we going to squeeze all the domestic games into a shorter period, if the competiton is brought forward by six months, when we're going to be already trying to squeeze the World Cup qualifiers themselves into a shorter time frame as it is and as a result will have a congestion of international breaks? 7. The winter Olympics take place in Winter 2022, we're not going to seriously stage both competitions in the same season are we? I'm sure there are numerous other issues to consider also. If FIFA want to sit down with a proposal that addresses all of the above and no doubt much more and then give EVERYBODY time to consider that proposal fully, then we can CONSIDER playing the tournament in the winter but only then, a proposal that should have been a part of the Qatari bid from the outset. You raise some good points, but the TV companies will not really be that bothered, as the length of the season will not be changed, nor will the number of games. All leagues will finish and start at the same time, they did before. So what about the winter Olympics, Euro & Summer Olympics take place in the same year. And as for the financial shortfall the game is awash with money and I am sure that any shortfall will be minute... With respect you're making an awful lot of assumptions there. You have no idea how the TV companies will react and you have no idea about the financial implications. Why will the leagues be able finish and start at the same time? It's not about the two competitions taking place in the same year, it's about them taking place at the same time. And what about points, 2, 3, 4 and 6?
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Post by farmer on Sept 19, 2013 13:38:19 GMT
That makes a lot of sense.... No it doesn't. Do you seriously think the likes of Chelsea, Man Citeh, ManU, Arsenal, Spurs etc. are going to play a couple of months of the Premiership season without the vast majority of their squads - there's not a chance in hell they will. If there was any possibility that this eventuality could arise, then over the next few years you will see contract after contract being drawn up between clubs and players, where a player would not be allowed to leave their domestic club for anymore than two international matches at a time whilst the season is under way - contracts that the players most definitely would sign. Indeed the best way for English football to put pressure on FIFA over this issue, is not to threaten to withdraw from the competition but to make it abundantly clear that we will not suspend the Premiership if a winter world cup is staged. Ergo a World Cup without all the stars of the Premiership would be a total disaster and FIFA would be forced to change it's decision. Why not it would be a level playing field as they would all be in the same boat, nobody forces them to buy loads of overseas players .It was once the EPL we do not stop the fixtures when the African cup of Nations is been played, our season as always run from autumn to spring so why should we change for a corrupt organisation
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2013 13:48:29 GMT
No it doesn't. Do you seriously think the likes of Chelsea, Man Citeh, ManU, Arsenal, Spurs etc. are going to play a couple of months of the Premiership season without the vast majority of their squads - there's not a chance in hell they will. If there was any possibility that this eventuality could arise, then over the next few years you will see contract after contract being drawn up between clubs and players, where a player would not be allowed to leave their domestic club for anymore than two international matches at a time whilst the season is under way - contracts that the players most definitely would sign. Indeed the best way for English football to put pressure on FIFA over this issue, is not to threaten to withdraw from the competition but to make it abundantly clear that we will not suspend the Premiership if a winter world cup is staged. Ergo a World Cup without all the stars of the Premiership would be a total disaster and FIFA would be forced to change it's decision. Why not it would be a level playing field as they would all be in the same boat, nobody forces them to buy loads of overseas players .It was once the EPL we do not stop the fixtures when the African cup of Nations is been played, our season as always run from autumn to spring so why should we change for a corrupt organisation That surely isn't a serious question? Those clubs spend huge amounts on transfer fees and huge amounts on player salaries, to specifically make it NOT a level playing field, so they have a better chance of winning the competitions and that's exactly why they will tie the players into the type of contracts I've suggested, if there's a possibility that they might need to. As I've already said, I don't think we should alter our season and if we don't do so, then that will be the actual key that ultimately forces FIFA's hand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 13:55:42 GMT
The point about this is that it has been engineered through corruption. That lying arse Blatter knew all along that it would have to be moved if they got it, but pretended it was still going to be the summer. They would not have got it if they had been honest about their intentions. There have obviously been a lot of people in on this, probably including Platini. The dishonesty of people running FIFA and UEFA is incredible. one point i think most have missed in their rush to slag off Blatter (not saying he isn't a wanker but still....) is that HE voted against it whilst almost all the European nations (that are now apparently up in arms about the prospect of having their season disrupted) were the nations that voted FOR it being held in Qatar!!! surely we should also be asking massive questions as to why these countries voted for it in the first place shouldn't we???? they could have found out that it would be massively unsuitable in the Summer just as easily as Blatter et al could have. should they take no responsibility in the outcome so we can all just rip apart someone who actually voted against it? yes, Blatter and FIFA are corrupt but i think it's fair to say there are probably underhand reasons as to why these countries voted for it originally considering they seem so against it now! FIFA is a shambles, we all know that but i think this reaches far further than just those sitting on the board there....blaming just Blatter for everything is, IMO, lazy and cheap and a failure to acknowledge the facts i.e. there were an awful lot of countries that voted for the bid and they, seemingly, have got away scott free in terms of blame or criticism
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Post by salopstick on Sept 19, 2013 13:57:27 GMT
I still don't get the big deal. Its going to be in the winter for once...so what? It will make it all the more unique. Realistically its just too hot over there in the summer to play football. The only issue I have is why the fuck didn't they address this obstacle on awarding Qatar the world cup? Shambolic. thats one of the main reasons on why its a big deal
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Post by salopstick on Sept 19, 2013 13:59:17 GMT
4. How are the major clubs going to react when scores of their players return injured and/or fatigued and are then expected to compete for European and domestic honours, without the players having had a summer break to recover? AVB will be pissed
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Post by salopstick on Sept 19, 2013 14:03:07 GMT
The point about this is that it has been engineered through corruption. That lying arse Blatter knew all along that it would have to be moved if they got it, but pretended it was still going to be the summer. They would not have got it if they had been honest about their intentions. There have obviously been a lot of people in on this, probably including Platini. The dishonesty of people running FIFA and UEFA is incredible. one point i think most have missed in their rush to slag off Blatter (not saying he isn't a wanker but still....) is that HE voted against it whilst almost all the European nations (that are now apparently up in arms about the prospect of having their season disrupted) were the nations that voted FOR it being held in Qatar!!! surely we should also be asking massive questions as to why these countries voted for it in the first place shouldn't we???? they could have found out that it would be massively unsuitable in the Summer just as easily as Blatter et al could have. should they take no responsibility in the outcome so we can all just rip apart someone who actually voted against it? yes, Blatter and FIFA are corrupt but i think it's fair to say there are probably underhand reasons as to why these countries voted for it originally considering they seem so against it now! FIFA is a shambles, we all know that but i think this reaches far further than just those sitting on the board there....blaming just Blatter for everything is, IMO, lazy and cheap and a failure to acknowledge the facts i.e. there were an awful lot of countries that voted for the bid and they, seemingly, have got away scott free in terms of blame or criticism easy for Blatter to vote somewhere else we already knew which way it was swinging and his vote didnt matter
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 14:06:04 GMT
You raise some good points, but the TV companies will not really be that bothered, as the length of the season will not be changed, nor will the number of games. All leagues will finish and start at the same time, they did before. So what about the winter Olympics, Euro & Summer Olympics take place in the same year. And as for the financial shortfall the game is awash with money and I am sure that any shortfall will be minute... With respect you're making an awful lot of assumptions there. You have no idea how the TV companies will react and you have no idea about the financial implications. Why will the leagues be able finish and start at the same time? It's not about the two competitions taking place in the same year, it's about them taking place at the same time. And what about points, 2, 3, 4 and 6? to be fair Paul, almost your entire argument is based upon assumptions.... assumptions as to how the clubs will react, how the players will react, how the clubs will specify things in their contract, how the players will refuse to sign them etc. etc. you can't just base your points on pure speculation (depsite not having a clue how things will pan over the next 9 years!!!!!!) and then rubbish someone else's argument as it's "making an awful lot of assumptions"....unless you know what the FIFA rules are governing how contracts can be drawn up, what FIFA rules there are governing player's being selected for international matches against their domestic clubs, what talks have already taken place with TV companies etc. then your points are pure speculation and assumption as well mate
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2013 14:07:05 GMT
The point about this is that it has been engineered through corruption. That lying arse Blatter knew all along that it would have to be moved if they got it, but pretended it was still going to be the summer. They would not have got it if they had been honest about their intentions. There have obviously been a lot of people in on this, probably including Platini. The dishonesty of people running FIFA and UEFA is incredible. one point i think most have missed in their rush to slag off Blatter (not saying he isn't a wanker but still....) is that HE voted against it whilst almost all the European nations (that are now apparently up in arms about the prospect of having their season disrupted) were the nations that voted FOR it being held in Qatar!!! surely we should also be asking massive questions as to why these countries voted for it in the first place shouldn't we???? they could have found out that it would be massively unsuitable in the Summer just as easily as Blatter et al could have. should they take no responsibility in the outcome so we can all just rip apart someone who actually voted against it? yes, Blatter and FIFA are corrupt but i think it's fair to say there are probably underhand reasons as to why these countries voted for it originally considering they seem so against it now! FIFA is a shambles, we all know that but i think this reaches far further than just those sitting on the board there....blaming just Blatter for everything is, IMO, lazy and cheap and a failure to acknowledge the facts i.e. there were an awful lot of countries that voted for the bid and they, seemingly, have got away scott free in terms of blame or criticism I guess if Blatter was in on the conspiracy/corruption then it might have been agreed that he should vote for another country just to take some heat off the (ahem) 'winning' bid when the chickens ultimately came home to roost. On the other hand, turkey's don't vote for Christmas and quite possibly Blatter is nothing but a patsy and that's why the 'real' power within FIFA have kept voting him in, in order to deflect any attention away from themselves. You are absolutely right though, Blatter shouldn't be blamed for everything, FIFA are either completely incompetent or just plain corrupt, either way something now has to change.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 14:07:20 GMT
one point i think most have missed in their rush to slag off Blatter (not saying he isn't a wanker but still....) is that HE voted against it whilst almost all the European nations (that are now apparently up in arms about the prospect of having their season disrupted) were the nations that voted FOR it being held in Qatar!!! surely we should also be asking massive questions as to why these countries voted for it in the first place shouldn't we???? they could have found out that it would be massively unsuitable in the Summer just as easily as Blatter et al could have. should they take no responsibility in the outcome so we can all just rip apart someone who actually voted against it? yes, Blatter and FIFA are corrupt but i think it's fair to say there are probably underhand reasons as to why these countries voted for it originally considering they seem so against it now! FIFA is a shambles, we all know that but i think this reaches far further than just those sitting on the board there....blaming just Blatter for everything is, IMO, lazy and cheap and a failure to acknowledge the facts i.e. there were an awful lot of countries that voted for the bid and they, seemingly, have got away scott free in terms of blame or criticism easy for Blatter to vote somewhere else we already knew which way it was swinging and his vote didnt matter which completely ignores all of the rest of the post doesn't it? the euro nations vote for it therefore it doesn't matter how Blatter votes ergo Blatter is a cunt and the nations that voted for it aren't to blame at all....brilliant!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2013 14:11:26 GMT
With respect you're making an awful lot of assumptions there. You have no idea how the TV companies will react and you have no idea about the financial implications. Why will the leagues be able finish and start at the same time? It's not about the two competitions taking place in the same year, it's about them taking place at the same time. And what about points, 2, 3, 4 and 6? to be fair Paul, almost your entire argument is based upon assumptions.... assumptions as to how the clubs will react, how the players will react, how the clubs will specify things in their contract, how the players will refuse to sign them etc. etc. you can't just base your points on pure speculation (depsite not having a clue how things will pan over the next 9 years!!!!!!) and then rubbish someone else's argument as it's "making an awful lot of assumptions"....unless you know what the FIFA rules are governing how contracts can be drawn up, what FIFA rules there are governing player's being selected for international matches against their domestic clubs, what talks have already taken place with TV companies etc. then your points are pure speculation and assumption as well mate With respect Millsy, that's erm ... crap! I haven't made assumptions, I've asked QUESTIONS? I also said that if FIFA want to put together a proposal that addresses those questions, then we can CONSIDER staging the tournament in the winter, which again isn't making assumptions at all. The OP asked what was the problem, I've suggested a few that might be, that's all - there might be legitimate and very good answers to all of them ... let's see the proposal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 14:30:51 GMT
to be fair Paul, almost your entire argument is based upon assumptions.... assumptions as to how the clubs will react, how the players will react, how the clubs will specify things in their contract, how the players will refuse to sign them etc. etc. you can't just base your points on pure speculation (depsite not having a clue how things will pan over the next 9 years!!!!!!) and then rubbish someone else's argument as it's "making an awful lot of assumptions"....unless you know what the FIFA rules are governing how contracts can be drawn up, what FIFA rules there are governing player's being selected for international matches against their domestic clubs, what talks have already taken place with TV companies etc. then your points are pure speculation and assumption as well mate With respect Millsy, that's erm ... crap! I haven't made assumptions, I've asked QUESTIONS? I also said that if FIFA want to put together a proposal that addresses those questions, then we can CONSIDER staging the tournament in the winter, which again isn't making assumptions at all. The OP asked what was the problem, I've suggested a few that might be, that's all - there might be legitimate and very good answers to all of them ... let's see the proposal. that's exactly why they will tie the players into the type of contracts I've suggested Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/220123/winter-world-cup?page=1&scrollTo=4025879#ixzz2fLgo4jpJDo you seriously think the likes of Chelsea, Man Citeh, ManU, Arsenal, Spurs etc. are going to play a couple of months of the Premiership season without the vast majority of their squads - there's not a chance in hell they will Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/220123/winter-world-cup?page=1&scrollTo=4025879#ixzz2fLgvuF6mIf there was any possibility that this eventuality could arise, then over the next few years you will see contract after contract being drawn up between clubs and players, where a player would not be allowed to leave their domestic club for anymore than two international matches at a time whilst the season is under way - contracts that the players most definitely would sign. Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/220123/winter-world-cup?page=1&scrollTo=4025879#ixzz2fLh3ekNdErgo a World Cup without all the stars of the Premiership would be a total disaster and FIFA would be forced to change it's decision. Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/220123/winter-world-cup?page=1&scrollTo=4025879#ixzz2fLh7xig3ALL assumptions you have made based on your understanding of the situation..... you have no idea if the Prem clubs have already started talking about the consequences and how they will respond to them, you have no idea how any players will or won't respond and have decided also how FIFA will react to our boycotting the idea of suspending the season midway through. pretty sure that in the absence of any of those facts Paul, they are therefore just assumptions
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2013 14:37:57 GMT
Come off it Millsy.
Read my original post in it's entirety, there's a set of seven specific questions with a request for FIFA to offer a proposal to address them, so that we can consider the implications.
That is what Shanghai was responding to and that is what I, in turn, was responding to him about (when I said he was making assumptions) and anyway he ignored most of the questions.
The parts you've quoted there have got nothing to do with that discussion but rather are about how I think we (English football) might be able put pressure on FIFA on this matter, without having to offer to withdraw from the competition.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 19, 2013 14:50:28 GMT
I still don't get the big deal. Its going to be in the winter for once...so what? It will make it all the more unique. Realistically its just too hot over there in the summer to play football. The only issue I have is why the fuck didn't they address this obstacle on awarding Qatar the world cup? Shambolic. thats one of the main reasons on why its a big deal It's not a big deal though just a bit bizarre that it wasn't mentioned at the time. Why should it have made any odds whether it's played in the winter or summer? A world cup is a world cup and league fixtures should take second priority on such occasions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 14:58:30 GMT
Come off it Millsy. Read my original post in it's entirety, there's a set of seven specific questions with a request for FIFA to offer a proposal to address them, so that we can consider the implications. That is what Shanghai was responding to and that is what I, in turn, was responding to him on, when I said he was making assumptions and anyway he ignored most of the questions. The parts you've quoted there have got nothing to do with that discussion but rather are about how I think we (English football) might be able put pressure on FIFA on this matter, without having to offer to withdraw from the competition. hang on Paul...you made those assumptions BEFORE those 7 questions were brought up......am i only allowed to quote parts of certain discussions that YOU now want to tlak about and previous things you've "assumed" are no longer valid????? you posted those 7 questions to shanghai AFTER you had said all this, he responded and you said he was making assumptions.i am merely pointing out that the origin of that discussion was actually based on your own assumptions in the first place!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2013 15:02:44 GMT
Come off it Millsy. Read my original post in it's entirety, there's a set of seven specific questions with a request for FIFA to offer a proposal to address them, so that we can consider the implications. That is what Shanghai was responding to and that is what I, in turn, was responding to him on, when I said he was making assumptions and anyway he ignored most of the questions. The parts you've quoted there have got nothing to do with that discussion but rather are about how I think we (English football) might be able put pressure on FIFA on this matter, without having to offer to withdraw from the competition. hang on Paul... you made those assumptions BEFORE those 7 questions were brought up......am i only allowed to quote parts of certain discussions that YOU now want to tlak about and previous things you've "assumed" are no longer valid????? you posted those 7 questions to shanghai AFTER you had said all this, he responded and you said he was making assumptions.i am merely pointing out that the origin of that discussion was actually based on your own assumptions in the first place! What are you on about? The thread is only one page long, scroll up - look at it, all 7 of those questions are in my FIRST post on the thread mate. Lord knows what point you're even trying to make anymore. If you want to DISCUSS any of the points I've made then I'll engage you - maybe.
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Post by basingstokie on Sept 19, 2013 15:05:10 GMT
IMO none of the problems with a winter WC are insurmountable & I also note that if we go for Dec 22 and Jan 23 tournament then the Euro 24 qualifiers will have to be squeezed in with some taking place in Spring 22, further elongating a season with the WC in the middle.
However, the bid documents must make clear that this in an option. FIFA have changed their tender rules after the winning bid was announced & for this reason there MUST be a full investigation into how FIFA can do this & why they awarded WC to a body that cannot fulfil the bid criteria.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 15:27:44 GMT
hang on Paul... you made those assumptions BEFORE those 7 questions were brought up......am i only allowed to quote parts of certain discussions that YOU now want to tlak about and previous things you've "assumed" are no longer valid????? you posted those 7 questions to shanghai AFTER you had said all this, he responded and you said he was making assumptions.i am merely pointing out that the origin of that discussion was actually based on your own assumptions in the first place! What are you on about? The thread is only one page long, scroll up - look at it, all 7 of those questions are in my FIRST post on the thread mate. Lord knows what point you're even trying to make anymore. If you want to DISCUSS any of the points I've made then I'll engage you - maybe. Paul......... regardless as to which came first you still made the following post: Post by Paul Spencer on about an hour ago shanghaipotter Avatar 2 hours ago shanghaipotter said: farmer Avatar 2 hours ago farmer said: The easy option is that the fixtures continue,they don't stop the Rugby fixture or Cricket fixtures when there is a international on.The league would only then be disrupted for 6 weeks max and less for a lot of players as they are knocked out of the comp.It would also allow younger talent to be on show.The other options would disrupt 3-4 seasons. That makes a lot of sense.... No it doesn't. Do you seriously think the likes of Chelsea, Man Citeh, ManU, Arsenal, Spurs etc. are going to play a couple of months of the Premiership season without the vast majority of their squads - there's not a chance in hell they will.If there was any possibility that this eventuality could arise, then over the next few years you will see contract after contract being drawn up between clubs and players, where a player would not be allowed to leave their domestic club for anymore than two international matches at a time whilst the season is under way - contracts that the players most definitely would sign. Indeed the best way for English football to put pressure on FIFA over this issue, is not to threaten to withdraw from the competition but to make it abundantly clear that we will not suspend the Premiership if a winter world cup is staged. Ergo a World Cup without all the stars of the Premiership would be a total disaster and FIFA would be forced to change it's decision. Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/220123/winter-world-cup#ixzz2fLtaSXTehow much of that is fact you know 100%??????? none of it is the answer!!!! they are ALL assumptions!!!!!! and don't go around telling people WHICH posts of yours they have to discuss...the simple fact is that you told a poster he was making an awful lot of assumptions despite the fact that your concerns (many of which you have decided to answer on the behalf of the clubs and TV companies above) are also based on assumptions. what part of that is so difficult to understand Paul? i wasn't aware that i could only look at the 7 questions you asked and ignore the fact the post i have quoted is all conjecture on your part?????
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2013 15:40:44 GMT
You've got to be joking ...
It was YOU who made a point out of highlighting which post came first, the whole premise of your point was based on their order FFS!
You've skim read the thread and and now you've realised that you've mixed up two different discussions.
One being about why (potentially) the World Cup shouldn't be staged in the winter (the 7 questions one) and one about my suggestion on how about how we can put pressure on FIFA without having to offer to withdraw from the competition, related but different.
If you want to actually discuss either of these topics then I'll happily have a discussion with you about either of them but really I've just about had a belly full of this utterly futile exchange.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 19, 2013 15:45:35 GMT
Good God, two people who'll never admit they're wrong, & can drag a thread out for page after page going round in circles, are now going head-to-head.
Admin, do us all a favour & shitbin this thread!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 15:46:32 GMT
You've got to be joking ... It was YOU who made a point out of highlighting which post came first, the whole premise of your point was based on their order FFS! You've skim read the thread and and now you've realised that you've mixed up two different discussions. One being about why (potentially) the World Cup shouldn't be staged in the winter (the 7 questions one) and one about my suggestion on how about how we can put pressure on FIFA without having to offer to withdraw from the competition, related but different. If you want to actually discuss either of these topics then I'll happily have a discussion with you about either of them but really I've just about had a belly full of this utterly futile exchange. hang on Paul....simple questions did you dismimss shanghai because he was basing his answers on assumpition? did you go on to say, in response to another if his posts, the above quotes in your post? are they facts or what you think would happen? all i'm trying to establish is why YOU can make posts based on assumptions but then rubbish someone else for the same reasons? whether the posts are related or not is completely irrelevant Paul....you rubbished someone's posts for making an awful lot of assumptions...you made a post saying something didn't make sense and then explained why BASED ON YOUR ASSUMPTIONS!!!! i'd appreciate it if you actually responded by answering the above questions instead of just dismissing them because it shows your hypocritical stance i really fail to see what's infuriating and confusing you so much
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2013 15:59:36 GMT
Good God, two people who'll never admit they're wrong, & can drag a thread out for page after page going round in circles, are now going head-to-head. Admin, do us all a favour & shitbin this thread! Apologies if it continues. Sadly we're not even going round in circles discussing the actual topic, although I've tried.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 16:07:29 GMT
Good God, two people who'll never admit they're wrong, & can drag a thread out for page after page going round in circles, are now going head-to-head. Admin, do us all a favour & shitbin this thread! Apologies if it continues. Sadly we're not even going round in circles discussing the actual topic, although I've tried. Patronising rather than answer the post..... really did expect better to be honest
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2013 16:07:55 GMT
You've got to be joking ... It was YOU who made a point out of highlighting which post came first, the whole premise of your point was based on their order FFS! You've skim read the thread and and now you've realised that you've mixed up two different discussions. One being about why (potentially) the World Cup shouldn't be staged in the winter (the 7 questions one) and one about my suggestion on how about how we can put pressure on FIFA without having to offer to withdraw from the competition, related but different. If you want to actually discuss either of these topics then I'll happily have a discussion with you about either of them but really I've just about had a belly full of this utterly futile exchange. hang on Paul....simple questions did you dismimss shanghai because he was basing his answers on assumpition? did you go on to say, in response to another if his posts, the above quotes in your post? are they facts or what you think would happen? all i'm trying to establish is why YOU can make posts based on assumptions but then rubbish someone else for the same reasons? whether the posts are related or not is completely irrelevant Paul....you rubbished someone's posts for making an awful lot of assumptions...you made a post saying something didn't make sense and then explained why BASED ON YOUR ASSUMPTIONS!!!! i'd appreciate it if you actually responded by answering the above questions instead of just dismissing them because it shows your hypocritical stance i really fail to see what's infuriating and confusing you so much I have to say Millsy I agree with the Drunken Communist above ... a perfectly good thread is getting hijacked here by not very much, every single time I've responded to you, I've offered to discuss the actual topic in hand but it appears you have absolutely no interest in doing that. Did I 'rubbish' Shanghai's post? I said he was making assumptions about how the TV companies would respond and what the financial implications would be as a result - I haven't and didn't offer an opinion either way but I'm not going to take it as gospel that that's what the outcome will be. They need to be engaged as do all the other parties involved by the QUESTIONS I raised (and no doubt many other issues too). On to how to put pressure on FIFA, instead of us offering to withdraw from the competition ... I think my suggestion has got merit, obviously elements of it will be based on how I expect the clubs might respond, maybe I'm wrong but hey, let's DISCUSS it, that's if you really do want to disucss it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2013 16:10:54 GMT
Apologies if it continues. Sadly we're not even going round in circles discussing the actual topic, although I've tried. Patronising rather than answer the post..... really did expect better to be honest Not meant to be patronising but rather a genuine apology for fookin up this thread.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 19, 2013 16:11:51 GMT
Winter World Cup?
Like my arse!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 16:13:46 GMT
Patronising rather than answer the post..... really did expect better to be honest Not meant to be patronising but rather a genuine apology for fookin up this thread. fair enough....i will as well and let them carry on with it i think you know already Paul that i genuinely agree with you and respect your posts so probably best for all (and the thread as a whole) for us to kiss and make up. fwends?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2013 16:18:50 GMT
Not meant to be patronising but rather a genuine apology for fookin up this thread. fair enough....i will as well and let them carry on with it i think you know already Paul that i genuinely agree with you and respect your posts so probably best for all (and the thread as a whole) for us to kiss and make up. fwends? Absolutely bud.
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Post by eddyclamp on Sept 19, 2013 16:20:46 GMT
EUFA have voted in favour of moving the WC to winter for Quatar
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