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Post by Ellan Vannin on Aug 18, 2013 10:03:32 GMT
But in our three 0-0 we were also a whisker away from a total spudding!!!!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 18, 2013 10:08:01 GMT
Not like yesterday. Sure they had plenty of chances in previous visits but not the number of clear cut sitters they had yesterday without their main forward on the pitch. I just can't buy into this mentality that yesterday was simply ace with zero points and the draws of the past were in some way devalued. It's pure horse shit.
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Post by Ellan Vannin on Aug 18, 2013 10:13:03 GMT
I don't fall into the yesterday was ace camp by a long way. Some positives, some negatives.
I think the fact Suarez didn't play is neither here nor there, Liverpool scored plenty without him at the end of last season, I think Sturridge is under-rated. If he plays a full season can see getting well over 20 goals.
But although we have got 0-0's at Liverpool, we could have easily lost them all. Liverpool had chances in all those games to bury us. Some games more than others.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Aug 18, 2013 10:27:56 GMT
Liverpool appear to be growing into a very decent side. We will not be the only side to come away from Anfield with nothing this season. Comparisons with Pulis performances at Liverpool are pointless for this and many other reasons.
The only thing that should concern us is how we went about things. We clearly went about attempting to be far more positive in an away game than we have in a very long time regardless of it being Liverpool or a club at the bottom of the league and in the most disarray at the time.
Anyone who can't be encouraged by the sight of their team trying to be constructive in that way must have a view on football and the pleasure they get from supporting their team that I cannot fathom.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 10:31:45 GMT
What a load of bollocks, we were just as likely to get a dicking as a draw there under Pulis and his approach to away games saw most of them end in defeat. We were a whisker away from achieving what we achieved there under TP despite being universes more positive. We were also a whisker away from a total spudding. Lets not go overboard. We were in all the other games as well. I agree that this apparent moratorium on any suggestion that yesterday was anything other than perfect is very odd and the number of chances they were able to create shouldn't go unmentioned but this idea that Pulis' way 'guaranteed us a draw there' is what's really horseshit. |
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Post by geoff321 on Aug 18, 2013 10:36:02 GMT
" Comparions with Pulis performances at Liverpool are pointless for this and many other reasons."
Absolutely correct.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 18, 2013 10:40:44 GMT
Can we save this sort of comparison until we've actually had a decent run of games under Hughes, rather than in our first competitive match playing in a new system?
You can see how things would have been different yesterday under TP, yes. There wouldn't have been the vast ocean between the midfield and defence that was the root of 75% of our defensive problems yesterday and there wouldn't have been the acres of space behind Pieters and the very poor Cameron for the two wider forwards, Coutinho in particular, to exploit for the other 25% of our problems. Then again, we probably wouldn't have left our own half. Would we still have lost? Probably, Liverpool look vastly better than they did last season, possibly because they're not attacking through Suarez alone. As everyone knows, however, counterfactual history is an entirely meritless field and 'what if' comparisons are pointless and contemptible.
For the record, however, we deserved to win at Anfield last season. How many open goals did we miss? We should have been three up after 20 minutes and they never really caused us any bother. Their biggest threat was Suarez escaping punishment for throwing himself at the floor every five minutes.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 18, 2013 10:40:58 GMT
We were also a whisker away from a total spudding. Lets not go overboard. We were in all the other games as well. I agree that this apparent moratorium on any suggestion that yesterday was anything other than perfect is very odd and the number of chances they were able to create shouldn't go unmentioned but this idea that Pulis' way 'guaranteed us a draw there' is what's really horseshit. I haven't seen anyone say Pulis guaranteed a draw there Rob but he did get three out of five and for these to be branded embarrassing is embarrassing in itself. I liked what I saw yesterday and Liverpool look at least as good as they were in our first season in the Premier League so I have few deep concerns about the defeat in itself. Ultimately though, this positivity must marry up td securing results. I just can't stand the prospect of everyone telling me how great we are, how much I'm enjoying myself as we languish towards the bottom of the table. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 10:45:33 GMT
We were in all the other games as well. I agree that this apparent moratorium on any suggestion that yesterday was anything other than perfect is very odd and the number of chances they were able to create shouldn't go unmentioned but this idea that Pulis' way 'guaranteed us a draw there' is what's really horseshit. I haven't seen anyone say Pulis guaranteed a draw there Rob but he did get three out of five and for these to be branded embarrassing is embarrassing in itself. I liked what I saw yesterday and Liverpool look at least as good as they were in our first season in the Premier League so I have few deep concerns about the defeat in itself. Ultimately though, this positivity must marry up td securing results. I just can't stand the prospect of everyone telling me how great we are, how much I'm enjoying myself as we languish towards the bottom of the table. The first post on the fucking thread says exactly that! I broadly agree with you about the any suggestion yesterday wasn't ace being treated with contempt. Lots of people are seeing what they want to see. Those draws were good results but we were battered all game in at least a couple of them and showed no ambition whatsoever ourselves. That we were a penalty kick away from the same result yesterday despite being more open is as encouraging as our schoolboy defending was worrying. |
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Post by blooter on Aug 18, 2013 10:48:23 GMT
If I remember rightly the last time I was at anfield we never got a draw. We got thumped 4-0 against a very poor liverpool team. Cant even remember us getting out of our own half never mind trying to have a shot.
It was the night I went from going every away game I could, to just going the pub instead and watching bits in the background.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 18, 2013 12:48:56 GMT
It's not just about the scoreline is it its about giving ourselves a chance to win , giving the fans some hope ,even if we lose the game that's what I saw yesterday and ill take that all day long
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Post by thevoid on Aug 18, 2013 16:49:07 GMT
Not like yesterday. Sure they had plenty of chances in previous visits but not the number of clear cut sitters they had yesterday without their main forward on the pitch. I just can't buy into this mentality that yesterday was simply ace with zero points and the draws of the past were in some way devalued. It's pure horse shit. We were incredibly lucky to win the home game against them two seasons ago, when Walters actually scored a penalty. We could quite easily have lost that match if Liverpool could finish. |
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