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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 16:57:06 GMT
It's a strange one when you think about it. A manager who got a struggling championship side in to the Premier League, kept them there and had a few very decent cup runs and a stint in Europe into the bargain would normally be expected to have his pick of jobs in the championship and lower half of the prem, and might even have a chance at a top 8 team. It's obvious that the reason this is not the case with Pulis is the perception of the style of football that he employed over his time at Stoke and the media portrayal of it. In a world where style matters as much as substance his stock doesn't seem to be very high at all. It's not a perception portrayed by the media at all,his teams play dour football
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 17, 2013 16:57:42 GMT
It's a strange one when you think about it. A manager who got a struggling championship side in to the Premier League, kept them there and had a few very decent cup runs and a stint in Europe into the bargain would normally be expected to have his pick of jobs in the championship and lower half of the prem, and might even have a chance at a top 8 team. It's obvious that the reason this is not the case with Pulis is the perception of the style of football that he employed over his time at Stoke and the media portrayal of it. In a world where style matters as much as substance his stock doesn't seem to be very high at all. It is his style of play, drives the paying punter crazy. This is why I say he will struggle to get a job in the top 2 divisions. Some chairman probably wouldn't care if he was able to get them out of the championship. He could easily get a job in the champ imo.
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Post by stokeramblers on Jul 17, 2013 17:00:42 GMT
He's away gathering some poison to drip so I've been told. Probably living off the bungs he's received relating to transfers. As suggested by one of the admins. How else does a well paid manager Premiership manager make his money eh! Sumat fishy going on there, what with that house in Sandbanks and them cars he drove.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 17, 2013 17:04:50 GMT
It's a strange one when you think about it. A manager who got a struggling championship side in to the Premier League, kept them there and had a few very decent cup runs and a stint in Europe into the bargain would normally be expected to have his pick of jobs in the championship and lower half of the prem, and might even have a chance at a top 8 team. It's obvious that the reason this is not the case with Pulis is the perception of the style of football that he employed over his time at Stoke and the media portrayal of it. In a world where style matters as much as substance his stock doesn't seem to be very high at all. It is his style of play, drives the paying punter crazy. Indeed I remember thousands of Stokies going crazy against Reading in 2003, Leicester in 2008, West Ham, Bolton and Man City in 2011, absolutely crazy in that square in Valencia in 2012. A fair few others as well.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 17, 2013 17:06:49 GMT
He's away gathering some poison to drip so I've been told. Probably living off the bungs he's received relating to transfers. As suggested by one of the admins. How else does a well paid manager Premiership manager make his money eh! Sumat fishy going on there, what with that house in Sandbanks and them cars he drove. £2M a year helps! Now Cartwright/Beswicks/The Family/Scholes there's a genius bungathon if anyone really wants to set their binoculars on something!
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Post by abdylilah on Jul 17, 2013 17:07:07 GMT
I know it'll never happen, but wouldn't it be just brilliant if he turned up at West Brazil!!!???
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Post by rorymscfc on Jul 17, 2013 17:13:39 GMT
It's a strange one when you think about it. A manager who got a struggling championship side in to the Premier League, kept them there and had a few very decent cup runs and a stint in Europe into the bargain would normally be expected to have his pick of jobs in the championship and lower half of the prem, and might even have a chance at a top 8 team. It's obvious that the reason this is not the case with Pulis is the perception of the style of football that he employed over his time at Stoke and the media portrayal of it. In a world where style matters as much as substance his stock doesn't seem to be very high at all. It's not a perception portrayed by the media at all,his teams play dour football I wasn't saying that the perception was wrong, rather that the way it has been portrayed in the media has magnified it. You only have to look at the frequent references to rugby, the Shawcross tackle and the attitude shown by many in the media to the Muniesa signing to see that. The fact is that at times under Pulis we played some pretty decent stuff at times but were rarely given any credit for it.
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Post by Beardy200 on Jul 17, 2013 17:31:17 GMT
It's not a perception portrayed by the media at all,his teams play dour football I wasn't saying that the perception was wrong, rather that the way it has been portrayed in the media has magnified it. You only have to look at the frequent references to rugby, the Shawcross tackle and the attitude shown by many in the media to the Muniesa signing to see that. The fact is that at times under Pulis we played some pretty decent stuff at times but were rarely given any credit for it. Because it rarely happened. I think we've been harshly portrayed for being overly physical and nasty but the style of play under Pulis was terrible and the criticism was perfectly justified.
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 17, 2013 17:42:39 GMT
It's not a perception portrayed by the media at all,his teams play dour football I wasn't saying that the perception was wrong, rather that the way it has been portrayed in the media has magnified it. You only have to look at the frequent references to rugby, the Shawcross tackle and the attitude shown by many in the media to the Muniesa signing to see that. The fact is that at times under Pulis we played some pretty decent stuff at times but were rarely given any credit for it. The media liked to present us as the pantomime villains. The sad thing is, for much of the last two seasons we lived up to this view. I would agree with you that we did play some good stuff, but very rarely in that last two seasons.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 17, 2013 17:43:38 GMT
He'd easily get a job at any Championship club if he wanted to. Really, any chairman at that level who turned him down would have to be more than a little bit thick.
He's proven over several years that he's a Premier League standard manager, even if he's not a top ten manager.
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Post by thesandbankskid on Jul 17, 2013 18:10:53 GMT
I reckon his next job will be pompey
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Post by march4 on Jul 17, 2013 18:21:25 GMT
He will be back in the Championship with a point to prove after he has recharged his batteries.
It will be interesting to see if he can repeat the success he has had at SCFC or was it just luck?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 17, 2013 18:34:57 GMT
He will be back in the Championship with a point to prove after he has recharged his batteries. It will be interesting to see if he can repeat the success he has had at SCFC or was it just luck? He was certainly lucky to have a newly wedged Coates no doubt but he also largely delivered didn't he? Everything comes to an end but if Coates regrets appointing and sticking with Pulis, I'm a Dutchman (not Boskamp)
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Post by owdestokie on Jul 17, 2013 18:40:25 GMT
Momo..........plus 1.........Simples
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 18:41:52 GMT
He will be back in the Championship with a point to prove after he has recharged his batteries. It will be interesting to see if he can repeat the success he has had at SCFC or was it just luck? Something to do with luck and a good rich chairman
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Post by thesandbankskid on Jul 17, 2013 18:44:13 GMT
He will be back in the Championship with a point to prove after he has recharged his batteries. It will be interesting to see if he can repeat the success he has had at SCFC or was it just luck? It depends if you class finding Fuller and Sidibe luck? Because he tried & failed to replicate it many times.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 18:47:25 GMT
As long as he isn't at Stoke anymore I onna bothered. I know one thing for sure,he won't be getting another premier league job.Christ, you spout some fcuking shite.
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Post by redwhite on Jul 17, 2013 18:51:57 GMT
I reckon he'll find a championship team. Trouble with him is that he can only take them so far.
In the top league he only knows how to play survival football. It works for a while because other teams aren't used to playing against it but it wears off just like last season. Teams worked our football out, probably shown best with the demise of the Delap throw.
I do think he'll find a job though, however if it's higher than Championship it will be for a club who are only desperate for survival. He can't take a team further because to do so you need to attack teams rather than resist them and he doesn't have that philosophy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 19:06:13 GMT
As long as he isn't at Stoke anymore I onna bothered. I know one thing for sure,he won't be getting another premier league job.Christ, you spout some fcuking shite. That's a bit rich coming from you There has been quite a few premier league jobs up for grabs lately and undoubtedly as the season progresses there will be more so we will see who is spouting the shite. Also was there any need to blaspheme?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 19:07:48 GMT
Christ, you spout some fcuking shite. That's a bit rich coming from you There has been quite a few premier league jobs up for grabs lately and undoubtedly as the season progresses there will be more so we will see who is spouting the shite. Also was there any need to blaspheme?
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Post by towraytek on Jul 17, 2013 19:41:25 GMT
Not wishing to get involved in a cat fight, but it was profanity, not blasphemy.
Wannerit?
Ek
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jul 17, 2013 19:46:49 GMT
Apparently Sunstroke can do strange things to folk... I just googled the symptoms....
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Post by rambob on Jul 17, 2013 19:50:14 GMT
If things go tits up with Hughes then i really could see him back at stoke I cant see anything going wrong with Hughes I think he will be a success, he cant afford to be anything less.
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Post by Jimm on Jul 17, 2013 19:52:50 GMT
If things go tits up with Hughes then i really could see him back at stoke I cant see anything going wrong with Hughes I think he will be a success, he cant afford to be anything less. I hope you're right
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 17, 2013 20:22:16 GMT
I heard he's got 5 houses. Sandbanks, Wychwood Park (probably for sale), Florida, Spain and somewhere else It's true. He has five houses. He lives in one, leaves three of them empty, decaying and deteriorating in value, and he puts the fifth one on the wing. His two favourite houses are the most expensive one, a seven-storey property which doesn't fit in with the rest of the estate, and a motorhome which he bought second-hand from Honest Roy's garage in Ipswich and which has 435,000 on the clock.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 20:41:00 GMT
Maybe a team that is in the shit at Xmas will take him on but the chairman will know that he will not be a popular choice with the fans. He would be a sound fitness and defensive coach though for someone but his is stubborn so can not imagine him working under someone else. I'd say if he was to be considered for that post only, he would surely be one of the better in the world. Stoke may have played ugly but in terms of fitness, we were second to none. Too much of a control freak for that though.
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Post by mateybass on Jul 18, 2013 0:01:34 GMT
Regarding tactics, I see it this way. ..... If you try and outplay Liverpool by playing passing football everything points to a defeat. So that'd be why West Brom lost to Liverpool twice last season.... oh, hang on... no, they beat Liverpool twice last season.... er, Geoff, could you just run that by me one more time please, I'm not quite sure I've grasped it properly....
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 18, 2013 1:21:51 GMT
Promotion and Premier League stability should ensure applause if he manages a visiting team at the Britannia Stadium, not to mention the FA Cup Final and resulting European campaign. It’s fair to say the vast majority of Stoke supporters wish Tony Pulis well in the next phase of his life and career.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 18, 2013 2:03:20 GMT
Pulis achieved promotion the first time because he signed Ricardo Fuller. However, he couldn't replace him adequately even when he had ten times the amount of money to spend, therefore, there's no guarantee he'd get close to another promotion even with a healthy bankroll- we've seen what he does with money and it isn't pretty.
That's why top-end Championship clubs will do well to steer clear of him really. His unambitious, defensive outlook will ultimately end up holding teams back.
He'd be an ideal choice of manager for a club like Barnsley or Doncaster, where there's little money and little ambition beyond staying in the Championship. At a push i think he'd be fine at a club promoted to the premiership for a while, but clubs at this level will always want to develop and improve themselves, so it'd be a case of history repeating itself.
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Jul 18, 2013 6:24:33 GMT
I think the reality in modern day football which is completely controlled by money is this: David Moyes starts this season as manager of Manchester United. If Sam Allardyce was manager of Arsenal, Martin O'Neill manager of Manchester City and Tony Pulis manager of Chelsea, those clubs would be in the top four positions by the end of the season. Would the PL season be just as exciting, yes. Would it be as competitive, yes. Would the attendances be as high, yes. Football ia about money and the type of players money allows you to buy. Whether it is a passing game, long ball, short ball, hoof ball, Pulisball or whatever other name you care to use, the top sides are the rich sides. Ribbish. What about clubs like qpr? High profile pkayers wouldn't sign for a manager like Pulis. I strongly believe that man u will fall away from the top two places in the next couple of seasons and maybe out of the top 4. Lets see what the glory hunting twatters will do then.
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