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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2013 10:21:22 GMT
It's that time of year again folks! The new scholars have been announced and the preparation for the season is about to begin! There's 9 new 'uns! 4 of them are local too, which hasn't been the case for us in recent years! They are; Lewis Banks – a 16-year-old defender who was born in Stoke-on-Trent and has been with the Club since 2005 Kelvin Douglas – a 16-year-old midfielder who was born in Bristol and has been with the Club for three years Liam Edwards – a 16-year-old defender who was born in Crewe and has been with the Academy for eight years Lee Pickerill – a 16-year-old defender born in Newcastle-under-Lyme who has been with the Club since 2007 Theo Vassell – a 16-year-old defender who was born in Stoke-on-Trent and joined the Academy eight years ago Charles-Anthony Weston-Hayles – a 15-year-old striker born in Lewisham who has been with the Club since 2011 Oliver Roberts – a 16-year-old midfielder born in Ashton-under-Lyme who has been with the Club for two years Yusuf Coban – a 16-year-old striker who was born in Germany and has been with the Academy for two years Johnville Renee-Pringle – a 16-year-old defender born in London and joined the Club from Leyton Orient last year www.stokecityfc.com/news/article/academy-scholars-896268.aspx#T1RCe7yXfp08ma5V.99 So the current U-18 squad will be; DF - Curtis Strong
DF - Ed Sanders
DF - Sam Coulson
DF - Joseph Hulme
DF - Joel TaylorDF - Lewis Banks DF - Liam Edwards DF - Lee Pickerill DF - Theo Vassell DF - Johnville Renee-Pringle MF - Eddy Lecygne
MF - Peter Makrillos
MF - Jake Cook
MF - Kieran Monlouis
MF - Ryan ShieldsMF - Kelvin Douglas MF - Oliver Roberts FW - Derice Richards
FW - Nathan Ricketts-HopkinsonFW - Charles-Anthony Weston-Hayles FW - Yusuf Coban 1st Years 2nd YearsThere's a distinct lack of a 'keeper there so maybe we'll sign one but there are a few in the younger age groups I think who played for the U-18's last season but are maybe still to young to be moved up officially. Kurasik the Aussie 'keeper is the one I'm thinking of but that may have changed I have no idea! And that squad I'll imagine will be supplemented by U-16's like it was last year like Ollie Shenton who became quite a regular but I know for a fact he's still got a year left at school. Good luck to 'em all! And the U-21 squad provisionally; GK - Daniel Bachmann GK - Dale Eve RB - Ben Glasgow RB - Elliot Wheeler - signed after being released by Portsmouth RB - Kevin Gomez Nieto - signed after being released by Feyenoord CB - Ben Heneghan CB - Jordan Keane CB - Sam Westley CB - Mason Watkins-Clark - signed after released by Villa CB/LB - Ryan O'Reilly CB/LB - Alex Grant - signed after being released by Portsmouth LB - James Campbell CM - Lucas Dawson CM - Charlie Ward - signed after being released by Villa AMC - Kris Scott Signed for SwanseaAMC - Jamie Menagh - signed from Blackpool Told he can leave, not on official squad list so presumed he's fooked offAMC - Jordan Richardson WG - Adam Thomas WG/ST - Jack Nardiello ST - Karim Rossi ST - John Marsden Signed for ShrewsburyST - James Alabi ST - Marcel Barrington - Signed for LeicesterST - George Waring - signed after being released from Everton oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/195178/stoke-academy-development-squad-thread?page=8#ixzz2YAIjkHJVI expect a few of these will go out on loan. Alabi certainly should do again and hopefully he'll get more game time this time around. And You'd think one of the 'keepers will be sent out too, both will believe they should be #1 and both need football. After that it's anyone's guess if anyone is good enough to be loaned to a league/conference club. Kris Scott could be a candidate and Charlie Ward looked good after he joined from the Villa last season. As did Waring after he came from Everton where he was their top scorer in the academy. www.stokecityfc.com/news/article/academy-pre-season-888079.aspxFriendlies for both sides^^^^^^ |
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Post by liathroid on Jul 5, 2013 11:02:08 GMT
nice one Bayern  |
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Post by mynamesnotmark on Jul 5, 2013 12:23:53 GMT
good luck to all of them, would be nice to see a few of these coming to fruition in the next few years
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Post by foster on Jul 5, 2013 12:36:00 GMT
nice one Bayern Yeah, good work Bayern. Have to say that I'm not keen on those released players (Villa and Pompey). Surely we should be looking at taking players, not picking up hand me downs. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2013 12:41:12 GMT
nice one Bayern Yeah, good work Bayern. Have to say that I'm not keen on those released players (Villa and Pompey). Surely we should be looking at taking players, not picking up hand me downs. I haven't seen the Portsmouth lads play but I have seen Ward the one who Villa released and he looks a good footballer tbh. In the two games against Liverpool last season in the academy league he was one of the stand out players. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2013 13:05:02 GMT
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Post by smiler_andy on Jul 5, 2013 13:52:57 GMT
Cheers for the information, living away from Stoke it is good to know what is going on in the Academy and Development Squad.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jul 5, 2013 13:59:49 GMT
Good work Bayern I'm looking forward to following them again this season. I was very impressed with the U-18s last year in the couple of games I saw last year.
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Post by jbstokie on Jul 5, 2013 14:11:52 GMT
Bayern do you think the U-21s are significantly stronger than last year?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2013 14:28:07 GMT
It depends if the U-18's from last season can make the transition up I guess, on paper I would say they are but when You look at other teams U-21 sides and look at ours we're still behind. I still think it'll be a bit of a struggle for them but they should be able to compete a bit better.....I hope!
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Jul 5, 2013 18:11:08 GMT
Do you think any of them will become Premier League standard?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 18:15:24 GMT
Hopefully your hard work will be worth it now Bayern. Fingers crossed our new management team will take the youth more seriously than the last.
Great research btw.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2013 20:50:08 GMT
Do you think any of them will become Premier League standard? I wouldn't even like to hazard a guess! |
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Post by RichardTMP on Jul 7, 2013 20:54:24 GMT
Good work Bayern, who would you say from the U21 squad is close to competing for a place in the squad?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2013 21:02:50 GMT
You'd have to say that either of the 'keepers could be third choice 'keeper this season, both have their fans and if Butland goes out on loan then I can't see no reason why we won't use them as third choice. After that Alabi could be but it's still too early for him yet I'd say. The better players imo are the 'keepers, Alabi, Scott, O'Reilly, Ward, Dawson and Waring. But it's anyone's guess as to what will happen to them, it depends on what the manager wants, how they develop, how hard they work and a bit of luck along the way.
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Post by RichardTMP on Jul 7, 2013 21:06:44 GMT
You'd have to say that either of the 'keepers could be third choice 'keeper this season, both have their fans and if Butland goes out on loan then I can't see no reason why we won't use them as third choice. After that Alabi could be but it's still too early for him yet I'd say. The better players imo are the 'keepers, Alabi, Scott, O'Reilly, Ward, Dawson and Waring. But it's anyone's guess as to what will happen to them, it depends on what the manager wants, how they develop, how hard they work and a bit of luck along the way. I've heard promising things about Alabi, Dawson and Eve who's a keeper isn't he? Whats happening with Rossi? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2013 21:10:25 GMT
You'd have to say that either of the 'keepers could be third choice 'keeper this season, both have their fans and if Butland goes out on loan then I can't see no reason why we won't use them as third choice. After that Alabi could be but it's still too early for him yet I'd say. The better players imo are the 'keepers, Alabi, Scott, O'Reilly, Ward, Dawson and Waring. But it's anyone's guess as to what will happen to them, it depends on what the manager wants, how they develop, how hard they work and a bit of luck along the way. I've heard promising things about Alabi, Dawson and Eve who's a keeper isn't he? Whats happening with Rossi? He is, a big Bermudan. I'd expect one of him or Bachmann to be loaned and one to stay and be the U-21 'keeper because both need games and I can't see either not being happy not playing. He's been injured I think, in his two years here he's never seemed to have got the ground running and if he doesn't this year I'd imagine he'll be sent packing. |
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Post by RichardTMP on Jul 7, 2013 21:16:01 GMT
I've heard promising things about Alabi, Dawson and Eve who's a keeper isn't he? Whats happening with Rossi? He is, a big Bermudan. I'd expect one of him or Bachmann to be loaned and one to stay and be the U-21 'keeper because both need games and I can't see either not being happy not playing. He's been injured I think, in his two years here he's never seemed to have got the ground running and if he doesn't this year I'd imagine he'll be sent packing. Yeah it makes sense to keep one of the two, but which one do you let go? I remember talking to Rossi on instachat (instagram chat) last year, and apparently he had loan offers but turned them down to see if he would get his chance here.... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2013 21:22:50 GMT
He is, a big Bermudan. I'd expect one of him or Bachmann to be loaned and one to stay and be the U-21 'keeper because both need games and I can't see either not being happy not playing. He's been injured I think, in his two years here he's never seemed to have got the ground running and if he doesn't this year I'd imagine he'll be sent packing. Yeah it makes sense to keep one of the two, but which one do you let go? I remember talking to Rossi on instachat (instagram chat) last year, and apparently he had loan offers but turned them down to see if he would get his chance here.... I think it'd make sense to send Bachmann out because he's got the year's more experience over him and makes more sense for his development to play at a higher level now and give Eve a year for the U-21's. Ideally both going out on loan might make most sense, they're both well thought of. Well that seems a daft decision in hindsight! |
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Post by RichardTMP on Jul 7, 2013 21:28:36 GMT
Yeah it makes sense to keep one of the two, but which one do you let go? I remember talking to Rossi on instachat (instagram chat) last year, and apparently he had loan offers but turned them down to see if he would get his chance here.... I think it'd make sense to send Bachmann out because he's got the year's more experience over him and makes more sense for his development to play at a higher level now and give Eve a year for the U-21's. Ideally both going out on loan might make most sense, they're both well thought of. Well that seems a daft decision in hindsight! It would be good for the club in the future getting these players out on loan at an early stage of their careers, but also have to be playing together(ie Barca/Ajax) as they learn each others game. I thought it was a bit clueless with Owen/Crouch/Jerome/KJ/Walters way before him, haha. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2013 21:31:47 GMT
I think it'd make sense to send Bachmann out because he's got the year's more experience over him and makes more sense for his development to play at a higher level now and give Eve a year for the U-21's. Ideally both going out on loan might make most sense, they're both well thought of. Well that seems a daft decision in hindsight! It would be good for the club in the future getting these players out on loan at an early stage of their careers, but also have to be playing together(ie Barca/Ajax) as they learn each others game. I thought it was a bit clueless with Owen/Crouch/Jerome/KJ/Walters way before him, haha. It would but I this is where I agree with TP re young uns, I think getting them out on loan and playing regularly will help them more than playing reserve football. And it still is reserve football, the new U-21 league is better but most teams still send their best players out on loan with it. He couldn't get in the 21's side nevermind the first team! |
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Post by RichardTMP on Jul 7, 2013 21:35:29 GMT
It would be good for the club in the future getting these players out on loan at an early stage of their careers, but also have to be playing together(ie Barca/Ajax) as they learn each others game. I thought it was a bit clueless with Owen/Crouch/Jerome/KJ/Walters way before him, haha. It would but I this is where I agree with TP re young uns, I think getting them out on loan and playing regularly will help them more than playing reserve football. And it still is reserve football, the new U-21 league is better but most teams still send their best players out on loan with it. He couldn't get in the 21's side nevermind the first team! I agree in a way, but i feel if they cannot get a loan or before we send them out on loan, why don't we try and put them in match day squads and get them used to the surroundings ourselves, as well as giving them a few minutes at the end of the game? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2013 21:48:03 GMT
It would but I this is where I agree with TP re young uns, I think getting them out on loan and playing regularly will help them more than playing reserve football. And it still is reserve football, the new U-21 league is better but most teams still send their best players out on loan with it. He couldn't get in the 21's side nevermind the first team! I agree in a way, but i feel if they cannot get a loan or before we send them out on loan, why don't we try and put them in match day squads and get them used to the surroundings ourselves, as well as giving them a few minutes at the end of the game? Generally because they're not good enough. |
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Post by RichardTMP on Jul 7, 2013 22:18:00 GMT
I agree in a way, but i feel if they cannot get a loan or before we send them out on loan, why don't we try and put them in match day squads and get them used to the surroundings ourselves, as well as giving them a few minutes at the end of the game? Generally because they're not good enough. So they arent good enough to do the job that TP used to get Salif to do, that is when he was a substitute? Get the ball and keep it or when the other team is on the attack, do whatever it takes to stop their attack? I believe small appearances before a loan would be good, that is when we are well ahead or losing by three or four. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2013 22:30:11 GMT
Generally because they're not good enough. So they arent good enough to do the job that TP used to get Salif to do, that is when he was a substitute? Get the ball and keep it or when the other team is on the attack, do whatever it takes to stop their attack? I believe small appearances before a loan would be good, that is when we are well ahead or losing by three or four. The U-21's? I'd say no. It was criminal Dawson didn't come on against Besiktas but barring Flo we've had no one really who deserved a chance (ie near good enough) in midfield in the past 2/3 years. Playing kids just for the sake of playing kids is wrong. |
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Post by RichardTMP on Jul 7, 2013 22:43:09 GMT
So they arent good enough to do the job that TP used to get Salif to do, that is when he was a substitute? Get the ball and keep it or when the other team is on the attack, do whatever it takes to stop their attack? I believe small appearances before a loan would be good, that is when we are well ahead or losing by three or four. The U-21's? I'd say no. It was criminal Dawson didn't come on against Besiktas but barring Flo we've had no one really who deserved a chance (ie near good enough) in midfield in the past 2/3 years. Playing kids just for the sake of playing kids is wrong. I dont mean it like that, but when our squad has lacked depth, due to injuries or suspensions, it would be nice to see. I'm hoping to see Cuvelier make a few apps this year. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2013 22:47:01 GMT
The U-21's? I'd say no. It was criminal Dawson didn't come on against Besiktas but barring Flo we've had no one really who deserved a chance (ie near good enough) in midfield in the past 2/3 years. Playing kids just for the sake of playing kids is wrong. I dont mean it like that, but when our squad has lacked depth, due to injuries or suspensions, it would be nice to see. I'm hoping to see Cuvelier make a few apps this year. It would and that's why the Besiktas situation was shit but other than I can't really think of a time when we've been that desperate to field a younger player who necessarily isn't good enough, maybe the surrender at Valencia? I'd love to see Flo play too but again I think it's more than likely he'll be loaned out. But if he impresses Hughes in pre-season, who knows? |
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Post by RichardTMP on Jul 7, 2013 22:52:11 GMT
I dont mean it like that, but when our squad has lacked depth, due to injuries or suspensions, it would be nice to see. I'm hoping to see Cuvelier make a few apps this year. It would and that's why the Besiktas situation was shit but other than I can't really think of a time when we've been that desperate to field a younger player who necessarily isn't good enough, maybe the surrender at Valencia? I'd love to see Flo play too but again I think it's more than likely he'll be loaned out. But if he impresses Hughes in pre-season, who knows? With Palacios looking more likely to be leaving, it does seem that he may get a look in, that is unless MH decides to bring in another midfielder. Cameron Whelan Wilson Ness Cuvelier N'Zonzi Adam He may get a few cup games, if we are to rotate the squad? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2013 22:56:17 GMT
It would and that's why the Besiktas situation was shit but other than I can't really think of a time when we've been that desperate to field a younger player who necessarily isn't good enough, maybe the surrender at Valencia? I'd love to see Flo play too but again I think it's more than likely he'll be loaned out. But if he impresses Hughes in pre-season, who knows? With Palacios looking more likely to be leaving, it does seem that he may get a look in, that is unless MH decides to bring in another midfielder. Cameron Whelan Wilson Ness Cuvelier N'Zonzi Adam He may get a few cup games, if we are to rotate the squad? He could but there's a lot of competition in there even if Palacios, Edu and N'Zonzi leave. And if the latter goes You'd expect we'd replace him and probably not "in house". It's up for grabs for them all though and someone like Flo could be in a better position than more established players simply because Hughes will probably not know him and have a pre conceived ideas about him. |
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Post by RichardTMP on Jul 7, 2013 22:59:14 GMT
With Palacios looking more likely to be leaving, it does seem that he may get a look in, that is unless MH decides to bring in another midfielder. Cameron Whelan Wilson Ness Cuvelier N'Zonzi Adam He may get a few cup games, if we are to rotate the squad? He could but there's a lot of competition in there even if Palacios, Edu and N'Zonzi leave. And if the latter goes You'd expect we'd replace him and probably not "in house". It's up for grabs for them all though and someone like Flo could be in a better position than more established players simply because Hughes will probably not know him and have a pre conceived ideas about him. I forgot about Edu, isn't he set to go back to Turkey? If not he can also provide cover for CB. It will definately be interesting to see what happens regarding Cuvelier and other youngsters. |
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