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Post by GRUMPY 1 on Jun 9, 2013 15:05:16 GMT
coincidentaly.
He was a tad upset at the news of Pulis taking the long walk.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 9, 2013 17:32:07 GMT
That was the point of my question earlier. I can't honestly see any of the top 7 coming in for him now and I don't think he'd move anywhere else just for money. Really? An extra 20 grand a week would persuade most players i think.He's got a young enough family to up sticks and move without to much upheaval(spelling) to not be tempted. The club would have to let Ryan know if there was an interest in him right even if Stoke turned down the bid? Go on then list the clubs who would be prepared to pay him £60k a week.
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Post by adi on Jun 9, 2013 17:55:24 GMT
Really? An extra 20 grand a week would persuade most players i think.He's got a young enough family to up sticks and move without to much upheaval(spelling) to not be tempted. The club would have to let Ryan know if there was an interest in him right even if Stoke turned down the bid? Go on then list the clubs who would be prepared to pay him £60k a week. Man united? Liverpool? Qpr
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 17:59:35 GMT
Go on then list the clubs who would be prepared to pay him £60k a week. Man united? Liverpool? Qpr Sunderland and Newcastle can probably stretch that far for the right player too.
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Post by foster on Jun 9, 2013 18:29:52 GMT
You could be right,but it may only take a top club to show an interest in Ryan for him to hand in a transfer request. I dont think Coatse is the type of bloke to stop him trying to better himself wages wise. That was the point of my question earlier. I can't honestly see any of the top 7 coming in for him now and I don't think he'd move anywhere else just for money. Doesn't have the technical ablity to play for a top 7 side so may as well stay here.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jun 10, 2013 8:37:17 GMT
That was the point of my question earlier. I can't honestly see any of the top 7 coming in for him now and I don't think he'd move anywhere else just for money. Doesn't have the technical ablity to play for a top 7 side so may as well stay here. Judging by the way we played last season, I would be hard pressed to see how any of our outfield players could play for a top 7 team. Question is, is their ability being masked by the way TP told them to play? How many times have we seen a fresh new player impress in his first few games and then slowly have the flair knocked out of them?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 10, 2013 8:48:09 GMT
This bollocks about his technical ability and how Pulis has in some way held him back (despite him being one of the greatest success stories of our modern history) gets on my tits.
All I know is I only need the fingers of one hand to count the centre halves I'd swap him for in the whole Premier League.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jun 10, 2013 8:57:01 GMT
This bollocks about his technical ability and how Pulis has in some way held him back (despite him being one of the greatest success stories of our modern history) gets on my tits. All I know is I only need the fingers of one hand to count the centre halves I'd swap him for in the whole Premier League. I'm not one for treating Tony with disrespect (or any of our players for that matter), and I appreciate what he did for us. The fact is, Tony got his players to play to a rigid pattern that prized solidity over flair.
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Post by adi on Jun 10, 2013 9:10:33 GMT
This bollocks about his technical ability and how Pulis has in some way held him back (despite him being one of the greatest success stories of our modern history) gets on my tits. All I know is I only need the fingers of one hand to count the centre halves I'd swap him for in the whole Premier League. Koscielney, vermaelen, kompany, agger, skrtel, hangeland. Id take any of those but want to keep ryan too. Greedy??
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Post by foster on Jun 10, 2013 9:10:39 GMT
This bollocks about his technical ability and how Pulis has in some way held him back (despite him being one of the greatest success stories of our modern history) gets on my tits. All I know is I only need the fingers of one hand to count the centre halves I'd swap him for in the whole Premier League. He's not in the top 5 CBs in the league.. and I've included your thumb. If he was, he'd be long gone by now.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 10, 2013 9:15:06 GMT
This bollocks about his technical ability and how Pulis has in some way held him back (despite him being one of the greatest success stories of our modern history) gets on my tits. All I know is I only need the fingers of one hand to count the centre halves I'd swap him for in the whole Premier League. Koscielney, vermaelen, kompany, agger, skrtel, hangeland. Id take any of those but want to keep ryan too. Greedy?? Would only swap him for Kompany on that list.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 10, 2013 9:18:46 GMT
This bollocks about his technical ability and how Pulis has in some way held him back (despite him being one of the greatest success stories of our modern history) gets on my tits. All I know is I only need the fingers of one hand to count the centre halves I'd swap him for in the whole Premier League. He's not in the top 5 CBs in the league.. and I've included your thumb. If he was, he'd be long gone by now. Saying he's not in the top 5 CB's isn't exactly the same thing as saying I wouldn't swap him for more than 5. I'm sure if you asked 100 football supporters about 80% of them would say Jagielka is a better centre half yet if it was my choice I wouldn't swap him for Jagileka and a solid gold pig.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 10, 2013 9:21:10 GMT
This bollocks about his technical ability and how Pulis has in some way held him back (despite him being one of the greatest success stories of our modern history) gets on my tits. All I know is I only need the fingers of one hand to count the centre halves I'd swap him for in the whole Premier League. It's one of the things that always did my head in as well. Any other manager would be lauded for taking a raw youngster from reserve footy and making him one of the cornerstones of the side. Pulis was a major factor in Ryan becoming the player he is and I've a feeling that Ryan would say exactly the same. Yet we still have the dumb as fuck brigade claiming that Pulis surgically removed the ball playing ability Ryan developed at Yoonited. You couldn't make it up......actually you could, and they did.
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Post by foster on Jun 10, 2013 9:24:24 GMT
This bollocks about his technical ability and how Pulis has in some way held him back (despite him being one of the greatest success stories of our modern history) gets on my tits. All I know is I only need the fingers of one hand to count the centre halves I'd swap him for in the whole Premier League. It's one of the things that always did my head in as well. Any other manager would be lauded for taking a raw youngster from reserve footy and making him one of the cornerstones of the side. Pulis was a major factor in Ryan becoming the player he is and I've a feeling that Ryan would say exactly the same. Yet we still have the dumb as fuck brigade claiming that Pulis surgically removed the ball playing ability Ryan developed at Yoonited. You couldn't make it up......actually you could, and they did. I've not made a link between Pulis and Ryans technical ability. Ryan just doesn't have enough, but I don't blame Pulis for that.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 10, 2013 9:27:54 GMT
It's one of the things that always did my head in as well. Any other manager would be lauded for taking a raw youngster from reserve footy and making him one of the cornerstones of the side. Pulis was a major factor in Ryan becoming the player he is and I've a feeling that Ryan would say exactly the same. Yet we still have the dumb as fuck brigade claiming that Pulis surgically removed the ball playing ability Ryan developed at Yoonited. You couldn't make it up......actually you could, and they did. I've not made a link between Pulis and Ryans technical ability. Ryan just doesn't have enough, but I don't blame Pulis for that. I didn't actually read what you wrote. And I wasn't referring to you so apologies if that's how you read it. And I agree that one flaw in Ryan's game is his technical ability, especially under pressure. I still think he's more than good enough for a top club playing alongside better players and using his pace and defensive ability which IMO is at least on a par with the likes of Terry and Ferdinand.
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Post by foster on Jun 10, 2013 9:39:21 GMT
I've not made a link between Pulis and Ryans technical ability. Ryan just doesn't have enough, but I don't blame Pulis for that. I didn't actually read what you wrote. And I wasn't referring to you so apologies if that's how you read it. And I agree that one flaw in Ryan's game is his technical ability, especially under pressure. I still think he's more than good enough for a top club playing alongside better players and using his pace and defensive ability which IMO is at least on a par with the likes of Terry and Ferdinand. Didnt actually think you meant me mate. Just wanted to clarify my standing on the matter.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 10, 2013 9:45:54 GMT
I didn't actually read what you wrote. And I wasn't referring to you so apologies if that's how you read it. And I agree that one flaw in Ryan's game is his technical ability, especially under pressure. I still think he's more than good enough for a top club playing alongside better players and using his pace and defensive ability which IMO is at least on a par with the likes of Terry and Ferdinand. Didnt actually think you meant me mate. Just wanted to clarify my standing on the matter. Sound! On a different note, I've a nasty feeling that Ryan may be on his way if the right offer comes in. Given his strange behavior at the end of the season, his apparent closeness to Pulis and the stage of his career I could well see him packing his bags. Hope I'm wrong but I don't like how it looks.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jun 10, 2013 9:49:54 GMT
I've not made a link between Pulis and Ryans technical ability. Ryan just doesn't have enough, but I don't blame Pulis for that. I didn't actually read what you wrote. And I wasn't referring to you so apologies if that's how you read it. And I agree that one flaw in Ryan's game is his technical ability, especially under pressure. I still think he's more than good enough for a top club playing alongside better players and using his pace and defensive ability which IMO is at least on a par with the likes of Terry and Ferdinand. I did make the link and I stand by it. But to say that Tony actively removed skills from Ryan or any of our players is to fall into the PHW/Rimmer trap. I'm saying that if you make someone play in a rigid formation, for years, then it's should be no surprise to anyone that a player's flair will be diminished.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 10, 2013 9:53:12 GMT
I didn't actually read what you wrote. And I wasn't referring to you so apologies if that's how you read it. And I agree that one flaw in Ryan's game is his technical ability, especially under pressure. I still think he's more than good enough for a top club playing alongside better players and using his pace and defensive ability which IMO is at least on a par with the likes of Terry and Ferdinand. I did make the link and I stand by it. But to say that Tony actively removed skills from Ryan or any of our players is to fall into the PHW/Rimmer trap. I'm saying that if you make someone play in a rigid formation, for years, then it's should be no surprise to anyone that a player's flair will be diminished. I get where you're coming from. But for me a centre back with flair is like a duck with roller skates. If you have flair you have no business in the centre of a defense. PS David Luiz and your stoopid frizzy hair I'm talking about you!
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 10, 2013 10:14:00 GMT
I did make the link and I stand by it. But to say that Tony actively removed skills from Ryan or any of our players is to fall into the PHW/Rimmer trap. I'm saying that if you make someone play in a rigid formation, for years, then it's should be no surprise to anyone that a player's flair will be diminished. I get where you're coming from. But for me a centre back with flair is like a duck with roller skates. If you have flair you have no business in the centre of a defense. PS David Luiz and your stoopid frizzy hair I'm talking about you! David Luis quality defensive mid Liability at centre half be intrestingto see where the special one will play him
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 10, 2013 11:21:02 GMT
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jun 10, 2013 11:23:11 GMT
Standard incompetence then?
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Post by lordb on Jun 10, 2013 11:37:42 GMT
This bollocks about his technical ability and how Pulis has in some way held him back (despite him being one of the greatest success stories of our modern history) gets on my tits. All I know is I only need the fingers of one hand to count the centre halves I'd swap him for in the whole Premier League. Koscielney, vermaelen, kompany, agger, skrtel, hangeland. Id take any of those but want to keep ryan too. Greedy?? fucking glad your not the manager then Kompany yes of course maybe on a good day Vermalen & Hangeland (& given the latters age it's still a no)
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Post by adi on Jun 10, 2013 16:34:43 GMT
Koscielney, vermaelen, kompany, agger, skrtel, hangeland. Id take any of those but want to keep ryan too. Greedy?? fucking glad your not the manager then Kompany yes of course maybe on a good day Vermalen & Hangeland (& given the latters age it's still a no) Well they all seem to be playing for better clubs than Stoke and havent been cast out so i guess experienced managers disagree with you and agree with me
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Post by adi on Jun 10, 2013 16:35:24 GMT
Koscielney, vermaelen, kompany, agger, skrtel, hangeland. Id take any of those but want to keep ryan too. Greedy?? fucking glad your not the manager then Kompany yes of course maybe on a good day Vermalen & Hangeland (& given the latters age it's still a no) Well they all seem to be playing for better clubs than Stoke and havent been cast out so i guess experienced managers disagree with you and agree with me
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 10, 2013 16:37:43 GMT
Dont know about anyone else but i fully expect him to be leaving this summer. We've done well to keep him this long if you ask me. Where do you reckon he'll go to then? Arsenal!
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jun 10, 2013 16:46:39 GMT
Standard incompetence then? At Stoke City? Never, I'm quite frankly disgusted that you'd even consider anybody employed at Stoke City to be incompetent at their job.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 16:47:05 GMT
John Ritchie bust bronze hidden away behind the boothen amongst the bins
pretty much unforgivable I would say
SCFC -hang your collective heads in shame
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