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Post by knowingeye on May 31, 2013 9:10:16 GMT
The Coates family has invested £6m in training facilities and the club's academy which is a clear sign of Peter Coates's intention for the Potters to nurture more of their own talent from youth development. Even the "crazy as a frog" Johan Boskamp saw the value in youth development. There have been some great Academy coaches that have come and gone, before and during, the Pulis period with some highly talented and local players slipping through the net due to a lack of focus.
Peter Coates has given the clearest indication in building on, through significant investment, what the likes of Keith Leighton, Gordon Bennett and Noel Blake had tried to do with limited funds at the time. Pulis was not a manager who always gave youth its opportunity.
Mr Hughes please take note.
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Post by RAF on May 31, 2013 9:12:40 GMT
I agree to a point, however he can only take note and give the opportunities if the youth are good enough in the first place.
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Post by penkvillepotter on May 31, 2013 9:17:25 GMT
Agree with both comments but we have to be patient and realise we are light years behind a lot of clubs. We may be in for a bit of a wait before it bears fruit. Unless the new Messiah (the latest in a long line) decides Curvellier is worth a punt.
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Post by stockportstokie on May 31, 2013 10:40:38 GMT
I agree to a point, however he can only take note and give the opportunities if the youth are good enough in the first place. H Players only become 'good enough' by playing. The likes of Rooney who are ready made by the age of 16 are few and far between. There was nothing to suggest Ben Davies of Swansea would be good enough (he'd never played a competitive game of football by the age of 19) yet he was given a chance and excelled. Young players won't be the ready made product, they require work but if that's given then potentially we strike the jackpot and save ourselves millions in the process or even make millions by selling the fruits of our labour. We should always look to see if we've a youngster who can come in and do a job over a journeyman with limited scope for improvement, it just makes sense. No one is endorsing we go full circle and flood the whole team with youth, however one or two over the course of the season is very much to our benefit.
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Post by knowingeye on May 31, 2013 10:50:21 GMT
Young players that due to the manager's attitude or worse are told by the manager they won't make first team grade, more often than not will lose focus in the team and start to look elsewhere to develop their career.
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Post by Northy on May 31, 2013 11:14:14 GMT
The Coates family has invested £6m in training facilities and the club's academy which is a clear sign of Peter Coates's intention for the Potters to nurture more of their own talent from youth development. Even the "crazy as a frog" Johan Boskamp saw the value in youth development. There have been some great Academy coaches that have come and gone, before and during, the Pulis period with some highly talented and local players slipping through the net due to a lack of focus. Peter Coates has given the clearest indication in building on, through significant investment, what the likes of Keith Leighton, Gordon Bennett and Noel Blake had tried to do with limited funds at the time. Pulis was not a manager who always gave youth its opportunity. Mr Hughes please take note. And this wasn't mentioned to him at the meetings and interviews? I bet he's glad he knows about it now
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Post by stokiejoe on May 31, 2013 11:20:25 GMT
I agree to a point, however he can only take note and give the opportunities if the youth are good enough in the first place. H Players only become 'good enough' by playing. The likes of Rooney who are ready made by the age of 16 are few and far between. There was nothing to suggest Ben Davies of Swansea would be good enough (he'd never played a competitive game of football by the age of 19) yet he was given a chance and excelled. Young players won't be the ready made product, they require work but if that's given then potentially we strike the jackpot and save ourselves millions in the process or even make millions by selling the fruits of our labour. We should always look to see if we've a youngster who can come in and do a job over a journeyman with limited scope for improvement, it just makes sense. No one is endorsing we go full circle and flood the whole team with youth, however one or two over the course of the season is very much to our benefit. Fully agree and success brings success, we will attract better and better prospects.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 11:47:26 GMT
I think we underestimate the investment of the training facilities and the youth setup.
Stage 1 cost £7m and within the next 2 years i believe the total investment in the training facilities and the academy will be £14m. This is all to keep our elite status, i also believe we need to pump £2m a season to stay as one of the elite.
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Post by lordb on May 31, 2013 12:05:51 GMT
Hughes doesn't appear to be strong on bringing youth players through
Surely that has to change
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Post by knowingeye on May 31, 2013 12:57:52 GMT
The Coates family has invested £6m in training facilities and the club's academy which is a clear sign of Peter Coates's intention for the Potters to nurture more of their own talent from youth development. Even the "crazy as a frog" Johan Boskamp saw the value in youth development. There have been some great Academy coaches that have come and gone, before and during, the Pulis period with some highly talented and local players slipping through the net due to a lack of focus. Peter Coates has given the clearest indication in building on, through significant investment, what the likes of Keith Leighton, Gordon Bennett and Noel Blake had tried to do with limited funds at the time. Pulis was not a manager who always gave youth its opportunity. Mr Hughes please take note. And this wasn't mentioned to him at the meetings and interviews? I bet he's glad he knows about it now I'm sure it was mentioned, but only re-emphasising from another point of view!
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 31, 2013 19:44:43 GMT
A good youth academy needs a youth coach. The first team coach/ manager should be able to reasonably expect one or two players to break through from it every couple of seasons but can not be expected to run the youth academy. PC has invested heavily in the academy infrastructure so it's reasonable to expect he will appoint a decent youth coach. The problem is that most good youth coaches move onto be assistant managers and managers. Step forward Rory Delap.
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Post by Linx on May 31, 2013 20:22:45 GMT
How many Premier League clubs have more than one or two (if that) homegrown players featuring regularly in their first teams? We have Wilko and Shotton, which is about par for the course. Most clubs' bright young things come from abroad or are poached from other clubs. And the clubs with proven success with their academies, such as Southampton, lose them to big clubs within a year or two of them attracting attention.
The academy could well be a red herring, in terms of a criterion for measuring Hughes' success.
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 31, 2013 20:46:09 GMT
How many Premier League clubs have more than one or two (if that) homegrown players featuring regularly in their first teams? We have Wilko and Shotton, which is about par for the course. Most clubs' bright young things come from abroad or are poached from other clubs. And the clubs with proven success with their academies, such as Southampton, lose them to big clubs within a year or two of them attracting attention. The academy could well be a red herring, in terms of a criterion for measuring Hughes' success. I don't know about that Linx at the end of the day if we get a player every couple of season who manages to sustain a run in the side and maybe go on to bigger or better things then that's great. The trick that we are missing is how many youth players from other clubs in the prem get sold to teams in the championship and below for circa 500k we ourselves have bought Shawcross for 1 mill and John halls (100k although I can't remember how accurate that is) now if we produced players of that quality regularly enough then we the academy could in theory become self funding and then every so often we unearth a gem. For me Hughes has potentially got to look at introduce the odd player here and there from the youth setup to give them some exposure. I've always thought that we should have at least one u21 player on the bench every game which would help exposure and you never know you might get a Ben Davies sink or swim moment when they swim. I know it's easy for me to say as I've not got a big squad of egos to satisfy.
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