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Post by MarkWolstanton on May 29, 2013 23:11:23 GMT
The scenario is almost identical to the one found on the message board we saw all those years ago when Anthony Pulis esquire was appointed as manager for the first time.
Supporters of Bristol City arrived on the message board to assure us Pulis was infact the devil and waxed lyrical about how he had destroyed their wonderful football club. Tonight we have seen the first arrivals from QPR telling us exactly the same. They won't be the last.
Hughes is few if anybodies first choice in exactly the same way as Pulis' appointment underwhelmed the overwhelming majority when he arrived from the management scrapyard he had been cast upon for two years prior. Some have chosen to lambast the appointment on flimsy evidence such as this as some (probably more)kicked off when Pulis was plucked from nowhere as George Burley did an over night about face.
Many of course gave the Bristol fans short shrift along with their own supporters who condemned the new manager before he has even taken a game. Pulis did well enough for us those two seasons when our backs were against the wall at the foot of the Championship. What happened in the binary season and all that went on around it is another story of course but the lesson of history is surely to give a bloke we have never seen work close up support until he earns otherwise at our football club.
It may work, it may not but another season of Pulisball promised to be far more frightening on so many levels for me. Lets see.
I'd sooner be us awaiting to see what Hughes can offer than QPR with their strangely gullible when it comes to football, chairman dealing with Arry and the Championship.
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Post by swampySCFC on May 29, 2013 23:13:31 GMT
Me too. Now theres a fucking first
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 23:13:42 GMT
Hughes was my first choice. He is the best available for the job.
Simples.
Pulis Out!
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Post by Stokiedokie on May 29, 2013 23:17:59 GMT
I can see the logic in Hughes' appointment. The thought of Martinez with his defensive frailties, Di Matteo with his sterling work at West Brazil or Poyet with his questionable attitude filled me with dread. From a logical viewpoint I can see exactly where the board is coming from. I'll reserve judgement until he's got a few games under his belt.
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Post by Gods on May 29, 2013 23:18:12 GMT
Yes, I'm certainly not discouraged by supporters of other clubs popping up and telling us Hughes can't manage his way out of a paper bag.
Quite the opposite in fact, they wouldn't bother saying anything at all if they didn't have a sneaking suspicion that Hughes might just pull this one off.
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Post by digger on May 29, 2013 23:18:44 GMT
pulis out the bloke is not in to get out
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Post by Stokie in Geordieland on May 29, 2013 23:21:04 GMT
Agree with some of that, but I think there is a difference between when Pulis joined as we were a club that had been in the dark for a long time and seemingly weren't going anywhere either. We were not an attractive option for up and coming managers or well established quality managers.
This time around you'd think there would be a lot more interest. Good fans, good chairman and a solid, well run premier league club. You'd think the pickings would be richer. I'm not saying world class managers, but better than Mark Hughes as his stock is currently very low in the world of football.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 23:22:15 GMT
The difference was that the vast majority of us hadn't got a clue about Pulis when he first turned up, whereas most of us already have a view on Hughes. The fans of other clubs will give their opinions, but from reading the posts on here, these opinions will only reinforce the views already held on here. I'm firmly in the "anyone but Pulis" camp - only McLeish would have tested that view, so I'm quite happy with Hughes, and while I was relieved to get last season out of the way and didn't have any enthusiasm for turning up again in August, I now can't wait for the new season, and I'm looking forward to seeing who we're going to sign, in the hope that any good player will be used effectively and in his preferred position. Enthusiasm well and truly renewed here.  |
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Post by salopstick on May 29, 2013 23:25:10 GMT
The scenario is almost identical to the one found on the message board we saw all those years ago when Anthony Pulis esquire was appointed as manager for the first time. Supporters of Bristol City arrived on the message board to assure us Pulis was infact the devil and waxed lyrical about how he had destroyed their wonderful football club. Tonight we have seen the first arrivals from QPR telling us exactly the same. They won't be the last. Hughes is few if anybodies first choice in exactly the same way as Pulis' appointment underwhelmed the overwhelming majority when he arrived from the management scrapyard he had been cast upon for two years prior. Some have chosen to lambast the appointment on flimsy evidence such as this as some (probably more)kicked off when Pulis was plucked from nowhere as George Burley did an over night about face. Many of course gave the Bristol fans short shrift along with their own supporters who condemned the new manager before he has even taken a game. Pulis did well enough for us those two seasons when our backs were against the wall at the foot of the Championship. What happened in the binary season and all that went on around it is another story of course but the lesson of history is surely to give a bloke we have never seen work close up support until he earns otherwise at our football club. It may work, it may not but another season of Pulisball promised to be far more frightening on so many levels for me. Lets see. I'd sooner be us awaiting to see what Hughes can offer than QPR with their strangely gullible when it comes to football, chairman dealing with Arry and the Championship. Future rimmers |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on May 29, 2013 23:25:10 GMT
Agree with some of that, but I think there is a difference between when Pulis joined as we were a club that had been in the dark for a long time and seemingly weren't going anywhere either. We were not an attractive option for up and coming managers or well established quality managers. This time around you'd think there would be a lot more interest. Good fans, good chairman and a solid, well run premier league club. You'd think the pickings would be richer. I'm not saying world class managers, but better than Mark Hughes as his stock is currently very low in the world of football. You are of course right in terms of where the club is now compared to then but I was only attempting to draw a parallel with the reception the appointment has attracted. Im not sure back then we saw ourselves as quite as unattractive as we probably were as a club, mind.  |
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Post by Stokie in Geordieland on May 29, 2013 23:36:57 GMT
Agree with some of that, but I think there is a difference between when Pulis joined as we were a club that had been in the dark for a long time and seemingly weren't going anywhere either. We were not an attractive option for up and coming managers or well established quality managers. This time around you'd think there would be a lot more interest. Good fans, good chairman and a solid, well run premier league club. You'd think the pickings would be richer. I'm not saying world class managers, but better than Mark Hughes as his stock is currently very low in the world of football. You are of course right in terms of where the club is now compared to then but I was only attempting to draw a parallel with the reception the appointment has attracted. Im not sure back then we saw ourselves as quite as unattractive as we probably were as a club, mind. Yeah perhaps. I remember thinking John Halls was the best full back since Andy Griffin so what did I know!! q |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on May 29, 2013 23:43:07 GMT
I loved Johnny Halls.... In a manly supporter way!! Well until he sniffed it all away! * allegedly  |
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Post by JoeinOz on May 30, 2013 0:49:11 GMT
I know he wasn't first choice for most but some of what is being said is verging on ridiculous.
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Post by whereami on May 30, 2013 1:43:21 GMT
The more things change..  I do however reserve the right to be monumentually underwhelmed while we're in silly season, and believe that anyone that wants to cheerlead and get everyone in a frenzy of happyness should do as your standard cheerleader would do any get fucked, pretty much. Its MY ambivalence and no ones taking it from me until late August! |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 6:08:57 GMT
The parallels are quite frightening when you look at it.
When you take a step back and look at the bigger picture its quite funny.
Anyway, all the best Sparky.
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Post by tuum on May 30, 2013 6:16:43 GMT
He may be the best of a bad bunch or he may prove to be quite capable. Perhaps the step from Puliball to total footbal in a few short months was too big to take and MH is the man to continue the gradual progression. I have no real opinion. He is our manager now and I will give him my support. However, at his opening press conference, I would quite like to see a journalist dig up some of Hughes' less than complimentary remarks about Stoke and our players & give MH the opportunity to explain himself...just for the sake of being mischievious mind!
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 11:20:54 GMT
I'm right back on the fence again. I'm glad that the club havent done things through the media (unlike Dave Whelan who takes any opportunity he can get to have his mug on tele!)
Hughes certainly wasn't high on my list of likes, but there again, I couldn't have really give a list anyway. I was hoping that we'd have got somebody from the continent. But, its a new start and I'm not going to judge him on his past, it's entirely about the here and now and building for the future. Having the entire summer will be a huge benefit too, no uncertainty, no appointments right before the season starts. So yes, firmly on the fence
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Post by Stokie Mcpot on May 30, 2013 11:28:20 GMT
I've taken my stance as a firm supporter of him now at least until I've seen what he can offer. Coates has made his decision and I'm sure it was a thorough interview. But if I hear one - just one, mind - "GOAARRRNNNNN JON" I may have to retract my support.
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Post by ColonelMustard on May 30, 2013 11:33:02 GMT
We've never had a manager leave us in such a good position so it's always going to be contentious but I am actually much happier with the Hughes appointment than I was with the second Pulis appointment and that turned out to be an absolute belter. Here's hoping.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on May 30, 2013 11:43:41 GMT
The worrying thing for me is the VERY short list of candidates we appear to have a choice from. We are established with a chairman who backs his man 100% yet the list of prospective candidates (at least those we have heard about) is hardly inspiring with no real stand outs. Hughes was way down my list given the alleged path the board were saying they want us to go down..perhaps a smoke screen to sell season tickets. I wont be buying one.
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Post by stokemark on May 30, 2013 12:00:15 GMT
I remember so well the excitement of George Burley watching the Watford game and assuming hed get the job the next day.
We then went and blew any hope of that with a display of ineptitude that gave gin soaked George the shock of his life and sent him running to the hills.
And then the news it was TP - What a hammer blow that was. And yet thank fuck we were so shit that night against Watford as who knows where we would be today.
I dont like Mark Hughes and Im not going to start calling him fucking 'Sparky' just yet but what the fuck do we as fans really know ? Now Ive been through the 'change curve'
and after hearing him this morning then whats to lose as I fear we would have been relegated with Pulis anyway.
Hughes knows that he will have a very short period of grace and that the pressure is on from the word go. One thing I do find a little ironic is that many of us would have cut Tony
a little more slack if he had learnt from his mistakes and showed a little more willingness to change. Hughes HAS to change or else we will find ourselves in the Championship with him too.
Lets just hope Hughes has the more ability to learn from his mistakes than the previous incumbent or we are royally fucked.
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Post by wrightspies on May 30, 2013 12:00:54 GMT
Could have been better but could have been a lot worse. Good luck Hughes!
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Post by ianrb1 on May 30, 2013 12:05:05 GMT
Ten years ago I was delighted that TP became a manager. I knew from seeing him in action at Gillingham that he was the sort of manager we would need to arrest our decline.
After various ups and downs the club is, both on and off the field, in a very different place. I don't for one minute believe that Hughes will take the club forward or even consolidate a mid-table position. We had something very special and it is gone.
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Post by mcf on May 30, 2013 12:12:36 GMT
Ianrb1 speaks!!!!
I pray you are wrong Ian.
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Post by s8to on May 30, 2013 12:14:10 GMT
Ten years ago I was delighted that TP became a manager. I knew from seeing him in action at Gillingham that he was the sort of manager we would need to arrest our decline. After various ups and downs the club is, both on and off the field, in a very different place. I don't for one minute believe that Hughes will take the club forward or even consolidate a mid-table position. We had something very special and it is gone. In all honesty we had something special that disappeared 18 months ago, the spark seemed to be lost then and has never been rekindled. Just look at the survival season youtube videos, look at the crowd and players buzzing? Where did all that go? You have to accept the management team lost their way during that time and it is quite clear that something had to change as the form we finished the season in (big Summer spend or not) would have seen us down for sure next season.. The stats don't lie.. Season on Season we were getting worse under TP.. |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on May 30, 2013 12:18:33 GMT
Ten years ago I was delighted that TP became a manager. I knew from seeing him in action at Gillingham that he was the sort of manager we would need to arrest our decline. After various ups and downs the club is, both on and off the field, in a very different place. I don't for one minute believe that Hughes will take the club forward or even consolidate a mid-table position. We had something very special and it is gone. I think there is no argument that a Pulis figure was exactly right to steer the club during the difficult transition from League One to Championship is a none existant argument.It seemed prety clear to me at the time anyway. As you rightly say, the club is in a very different place now and the stark facts are that the "something very special" had gone long before Peter Coates called time on it. It's impossible to ignore the statistical evidence presented by the points per game over an eighteen month period which could only have one conclusion. Its impossible to ignore the transfer balance books which were unsustainable for this football club. You can't ignore the statements from the man himself which were clearly opposed to the very strategy that the club both promotes and invests in to safeguaerd the long term future and health. You can deny the evidence of your own eyes to pretend that deterioration had not set into the performances and persuade yourself that Pulis was a man of change complete with dossier if you like. Good luck with that. All things run their course. Stoke City and Tony Pulis had done just that. |
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Post by lordb on May 30, 2013 12:24:38 GMT
3 year contract,plenty of his staff & no doubt large salary
he will be very expensive to remove
as Ned Stark might say "Winter is coming"
lets hope that MH understands the club quickly & makes decent decisions otherwise we could be looking at the abyss
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Post by LL Cool Dave on May 30, 2013 12:33:11 GMT
3 year contract,plenty of his staff & no doubt large salary he will be very expensive to remove as Ned Stark might say "Winter is coming" lets hope that MH understands the club quickly & makes decent decisions otherwise we could be looking at the abyss Did you get my PM earlier this month, Lord? |
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Post by onionman on May 30, 2013 12:38:38 GMT
Ten years ago I was delighted that TP became a manager. I knew from seeing him in action at Gillingham that he was the sort of manager we would need to arrest our decline. After various ups and downs the club is, both on and off the field, in a very different place. I don't for one minute believe that Hughes will take the club forward or even consolidate a mid-table position. We had something very special and it is gone. Pulis's Gillingham team was the antithesis of the Brian Little team. After a decade of disorganisation and underachievement (albeit including a lucky promotion) I was pleased we'd finally be getting someone who'd put an organised team of hard workers together. Lots of fans didn't want Pulis though, possibly because he just seemed quite uninspiring. The other parallel I'd draw is the appointment of Gary Megson. He had a mixed record and his reputation had taken a bit of a dive in the previous couple of years. Nobody expected much from him, but he started taking us in the right direction very quickly. |
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Post by swampySCFC on May 30, 2013 12:39:24 GMT
I thought the reasoning for the appointment given by Coates was very well thought out and plausible. Its time for us all to get down to business
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