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Post by knowingeye on Apr 13, 2013 7:28:44 GMT
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Post by thesandbankskid on Apr 13, 2013 7:46:21 GMT
We should block the amount of signings of foreigners in this country if we want a successful national team because we live in a tiny country as it is. Even if it is atthe detriment to the standard of the national domestic game at first, it's the only way forward really, it would never happen though as English Football is a Brand.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Apr 13, 2013 7:57:00 GMT
Yeah, as much as I love hearing what Gary Neville has to say, this time he isn't telling us anything we didn't already know.
Of course there are too many foreign players in our league, and our youth development from grass-roots level isn't anywhere near the standard required.
The Spanish team is a massive example of how far behind our national team is. Spain's best eleven is filled with the world's best who all start for their club. Even their substitutes, most of them are regulars for their clubs. Then take a look at England, Hart and Rooney are the only club stars I can think of. Many of our other regular starters are just squad rotation players
But what it all boils down to unfortunately, just like every other problem in the game (officiating, diving, tickets, match-fixing to name a few) is money. And those in a position to change football, both for England and the world, are those that benefit from the current set-up and so anyone wishing for change is quite sadly urinating into the wind.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 9:03:20 GMT
Would help if clubs scouted youth football better.
I know a lot of very good players who now work in offices because they never got noticed. Better than the likes of Wilko and Whelan that's for sure.
I also remember Stoke scouts looking at our team, they gave trials to the 2 tallest players who at 16 were over 6ft both average in the side and far from the best.
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Post by Championship Potter on Apr 13, 2013 9:33:51 GMT
We should block the amount of signings of foreigners in this country if we want a successful national team because we live in a tiny country as it is. Even if it is atthe detriment to the standard of the national domestic game at first, it's the only way forward really, it would never happen though as English Football is a Brand. I don't buy this argument at all. Jonjo Shelvey doesn't suddenly become a technically gifted player if we remove the foreign players. In Spain they don't control the number of foreign players in their league and it doesn't seem to affect their success. The simple answer is to improve the technical ability of English players - then there would be less need for foreign players. Unfortunately in this country, even at junior levels, little attention is paid to technique and it's more about filling the team with big lads and shouting "get rid" whenever a player has possession. |
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Post by vahl on Apr 13, 2013 10:01:53 GMT
We should block the amount of signings of foreigners in this country if we want a successful national team because we live in a tiny country as it is. Even if it is atthe detriment to the standard of the national domestic game at first, it's the only way forward really, it would never happen though as English Football is a Brand. I don't buy this argument at all. Jonjo Shelvey doesn't suddenly become a technically gifted player if we remove the foreign players. In Spain they don't control the number of foreign players in their league and it doesn't seem to affect their success. The simple answer is to improve the technical ability of English players - then there would be less need for foreign players. Unfortunately in this country, even at junior levels, little attention is paid to technique and it's more about filling the team with big lads and shouting "get rid" whenever a player has possession. True words right there. The simple fact of the matter is that, for decades, we have nationally coached our young players to be powerful, pacey and above all fit as a fiddle. Football drills are so simplistic in England it is unreal - compared to a lot of Europe. There's only Arsenal, Swansea & more recently Liverpool in the entire Premier League that could be compared to European standard coaching.(I have seen a lot of Arsenal's youth set-up and also 1-2 European clubs including Ajax) You are more likely to get picked by an 'FA Certified Coach" if you are 6'4, built like a brick shit house and can run fast. It also seems to help if you are black nowadays (for the obvious reason black people are generally more naturally athletic than whites) The real skill is with the skinny little spotty kids, who look like their legs are in fact pieces of cotton hanging from their shorts, but will beat you with the ball quicker than you can blink. If people (The FA?) looked away from the Emile Heskey mentality and moved towards the Luka Modric mentality, we would see vast improvements. Simples. |
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Post by pickins on Apr 13, 2013 12:32:20 GMT
Things are improving within grass roots football but it's tricky and there is no quick fix. You won't see the results for years. The problem we have is when you coach a team of kids ( in my case U11s ) and really push their technical skills and try to improve their decision making, passing, dribbling, defending ( which doesn't seem to be coached anymore ) spending hours on the training ground getting them to look really good and playing attractive football only to come up against a team on a Saturday with a tall, strong and quick centre forward who gets the ball chucked up to him and he scores over and over. Kids heads go down and you have to start over again the folowing week. Things are moving in the right direction but there is still alot of work that needs doing at grass roots level. I know the idea of this non competitive youth stuff is supposed to combat the culture of size and strength but it will still happen unless you get the right coaches in at Under 5s and blood a whole generation into it. I talk about this alot and you need the whole coaching culture to change and every club in the country needs to buy into it as a couple of coach's can spoil the mix for a whole league.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 13, 2013 13:43:58 GMT
We should block the amount of signings of foreigners in this country if we want a successful national team because we live in a tiny country as it is. Even if it is atthe detriment to the standard of the national domestic game at first, it's the only way forward really, it would never happen though as English Football is a Brand. I don't buy this argument at all. Jonjo Shelvey doesn't suddenly become a technically gifted player if we remove the foreign players. In Spain they don't control the number of foreign players in their league and it doesn't seem to affect their success. The simple answer is to improve the technical ability of English players - then there would be less need for foreign players. Unfortunately in this country, even at junior levels, little attention is paid to technique and it's more about filling the team with big lads and shouting "get rid" whenever a player has possession. They do to an extent. You can have as many EU players as You want but only 3 non-EU players. They do find ways of getting around it but there are limits there. Agree with the rest mind! |
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