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Post by starkiller on Apr 9, 2013 20:59:45 GMT
Thatcher aside - on whom I could say plenty - I'm sick of having minutes silences inflicted on football matches.
I don't expect to be forced into silences for dead folk when visiting the cinema, or anywhere else.
Anything not connected with Stoke City deserves to be disrupted.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2013 21:00:05 GMT
The things I'm learning this week. We can blame her for the wanky Premier League. Cheers Maggie. Fucks sake.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 9, 2013 21:02:24 GMT
This would be the first minutes for anything or anybody I wouldn't honour! The most appalling and vile person ever to dishonour the position of prime minister. A Conservative such as Harold Macmillan wasn't honoured like this and he was a far more decent person and politician.
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Post by jeycov on Apr 9, 2013 21:02:47 GMT
On the news I thought that the FA and / or Premier League had specified that there would not be a minutes silence
There will be opportunities for those who want to, to show their respect next wednesday, when there will be hours of coverage of her funeral.
We don't need any distractions - not necessary for any football club to get involved imo
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 9, 2013 21:05:37 GMT
Thatcher aside - on whom I could say plenty - I'm sick of having minutes silences inflicted on football matches. I don't expect to be forced into silences for dead folk when visiting the cinema, or anywhere else. Anything not connected with Stoke City deserves to be disrupted. This I 100% agree with.
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Post by jonnybravo on Apr 9, 2013 21:06:58 GMT
I'll be there and if it happens me and alot of others will scream all the way through this ruined my and millions of other families lives she was a vile person but some people liked her if they want to pay there respects to her do it in your own time
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Post by onlyonesirstan on Apr 9, 2013 21:10:06 GMT
This would be the first minutes for anything or anybody I wouldn't honour! The most appalling and vile person ever to dishonour the position of prime minister. A Conservative such as Harold Macmillan wasn't honoured like this and he was a far more decent person and politician. Blair or Brown are the most vile people to dishonour the position of Prime Minister
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Post by gaznandi on Apr 9, 2013 21:11:22 GMT
The most vociferously booed minutes silence in our countries history?
Tremendous.
Its exactly as she would have wanted it.
(the last line may be a stretch but the parasitic cow fed on the misery of millions of her own people, so)
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Post by farmer on Apr 9, 2013 21:18:57 GMT
She is the reason that a generation of people in this city have had no well paid jobs.She split our country she sold all the water/gas/electric companies off to private investers who don't give a shit about how much you pay as long as there shares pay out.She sold the north down the river and gave the banks all the power,and look what they have done I would piss on her grave.
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Apr 9, 2013 21:25:44 GMT
I would sing 'Ding Dong the Witch is Dead' for one minute.
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Post by boothenendboy on Apr 9, 2013 21:27:39 GMT
This would be the first minutes for anything or anybody I wouldn't honour! The most appalling and vile person ever to dishonour the position of prime minister. A Conservative such as Harold Macmillan wasn't honoured like this and he was a far more decent person and politician. Blair or Brown are the most vile people to dishonour the position of Prime Minister DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD LOL
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Post by jbstokie on Apr 9, 2013 21:28:03 GMT
This would be the first minutes for anything or anybody I wouldn't honour! The most appalling and vile person ever to dishonour the position of prime minister. A Conservative such as Harold Macmillan wasn't honoured like this and he was a far more decent person and politician. Blair or Brown are the most vile people to dishonour the position of Prime Minister And I bet no daft cunt will ask for a minutes silence at a football game when they die.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 21:30:57 GMT
I remember the minute for Bobby Moore at Bournemouth, or was it Leyton. All was respected, apart from about a quarter of a mile away the late comers were piling out of the pubs - Stoke chanting. It also snowed - huge flakes exactly at that minute - eiree.
Thatcher won't get a minutes silence.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 21:40:49 GMT
Where is strangeways when you want him surely him and his pals from guildford ,Woking , Torquay and Exeter will want a minutes silence sunday mind you he could always just turn his keyboard off for a minute at 2.00 Sunday .
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Post by gaznandi on Apr 9, 2013 21:41:17 GMT
I remember the minute for Bobby Moore at Bournemouth, or was it Leyton. All was respected, apart from about a quarter of a mile away the late comers were piling out of the pubs - Stoke chanting. It also snowed - huge flakes exactly at that minute - eiree. Thatcher won't get a minutes silence. Nor a minutes peace in purgatory.
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Post by eddyclamp on Apr 9, 2013 21:47:30 GMT
I`m not political,but how can Thatcher get a minutes silence after the Hillsborough fiasco from any football club in the country.If any club think`s different then I suggest they are out of step with the fans of football throughout the land. This is not a post to argue the rights or wrongs of Hillsborough,justkeeping to the OP
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 9, 2013 21:51:27 GMT
So there are actually people who think its right for fans to honour someone who described football as 'a law and order issue'?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 9, 2013 22:00:38 GMT
This would be the first minutes for anything or anybody I wouldn't honour! The most appalling and vile person ever to dishonour the position of prime minister. A Conservative such as Harold Macmillan wasn't honoured like this and he was a far more decent person and politician. Blair or Brown are the most vile people to dishonour the position of Prime Minister Don't even dare put Blair and Brown in the same category as 'Snatcher' Thatcher who took free school milk off kids! Blair and Brown rebuilt schools(I know I was a school governor at the time), hospitals and repaired social housing! They didn't engage in the most vicious class war since the industrial revolution! May the evil c*** rot in hell where she belongs!
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Post by Gob Bluth on Apr 9, 2013 22:13:02 GMT
Football should just be for national footballing icons or for the club to decide if it feels appropriate, i.e. a Stoke employee, former player or fan - Armistice day being the solitary exception. Still think a minute silence for Holy Wells was misplaced.
Independently I think she did many positive things for this country. It's before my time but don't understand the coal mining argument, if they weren't making money close them down/modernise them. It's a day-to-day occurrence for all governments nowadays.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Apr 9, 2013 22:15:31 GMT
I`m not political,but how can Thatcher get a minutes silence after the Hillsborough fiasco from any football club in the country.If any club think`s different then I suggest they are out of step with the fans of football throughout the land. This is not a post to argue the rights or wrongs of Hillsborough,justkeeping to the OP And was therefore able to justify the all seater stadia which we so love which then led on to the Premier League. So she was linked to football! Make it five minutes - though I'm not sure that I can boo for that long lol Is Whelan thick or what?
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Post by Gob Bluth on Apr 9, 2013 22:20:41 GMT
Also don't get the argument of the whole milk thing. If that's an example of the worst thing she did then she can't be that evil, all governments now reallocate resources, smoke and mirrors from all parties. I think the Falklands is really the dodgy territory rather than milk and mining, the idea that it's full of Brits is similar to the U.S and the native Americans, just because we outnumber them doesn't make it ours does it? Again out of my depth.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Apr 9, 2013 22:26:03 GMT
A minutes silence - out of the question. Why do we need to celebrate an ex-PM who destroyed massive swathes of our industrial heritage and didn't care how many family livelihoods and communities were wiped out.
She was a strong leader founded on her emerging as a dictator and a bully.
She deserves nothing from the football community. Best we could do for her is the Poznan.
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Post by jonnybravo on Apr 9, 2013 22:28:33 GMT
Gob blurth you've got no idea what she did to people these days it would be called crimes against humanity and she got round it by hiding behind the media and employing the army to do what the police refused to do
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Post by fegghayze on Apr 9, 2013 22:35:17 GMT
I have never had such a diametrically opposed set of emotions regarding this Seeing the desolation that Thatcher's premiership has done to this area, my own family and that of my friends is sickening. She has turned good honest people into walking shells, ripping the pride and honour that providing clothing, food and warmth for a beloved family through good honest graft brings. A country that stands still repairing itself from the effects of her tenure, the banking crisis, shortages of social housing, privatization, childcare, welfare state etc. Anyone who looks around the areas of Stoke-on-Trent can still see, standing decimated, lying ruined in a Pompeii style horror preserving the after-effects of snatching employment, pride and self worth from bread-winners, food, clothing and shoes from children and to top it all off, the nourishment of milk from children. Anyone, but anyone, who can argue that Margaret Thatcher should be lauded wants to take a walking tour of our area, the landscape, the mausoleum of industry still left here, speak to the men and women along with their children who saw the guts ripped out of this area and remember that this area is one of many, many more that suffered and suffer still. Even as a football fan, remember a woman who has allegedly, according to the media, part of the Hillsborough cover up www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/hillsborough-cover-up-margaret-thatcher-1321049To honour her with a minutes silence at football matches would be crass and inappropriate at the very, very least. However, despite all this, the dancing on newspapers, effigy's, vile pictures on social media and the least tasteful of website proffering their sputum as jokes we should remember that this person has a family. A long line of innocent people who are attached by blood that whatever we all think (and my opinions very clear above) are devoid of all responsibility for her actions that will be mourning the loss of a mother, cousin, aunty etc. To talk of picketing a funeral from various bodies is again targeting innocents To see reported that there would almost definitely be widespread booing and jeering when trying to hold a silence at a football match for the remaining family can only compound their loss. I very rarely agree with the league governing bodies but on this occasion I have to say they have done the right thing. In my heart of hearts I would not want to observe the silence, but part of me says that we shouldnt punish the family left behind. As I say a very, very tricky subject and I have refrained from comment on any social media or forum on this subject until now
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Post by enuntio on Apr 9, 2013 22:39:13 GMT
Several Minutes of Booing, Hissing, Jeering and shouts of Burn the Witch. as this is a football forum, Remember her part in the cover up and Disinformation of the Hillsborough Disaster.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Apr 9, 2013 22:42:27 GMT
I know but that's kind of what I'm asking. The only thing people have been able to say is how heavy handed the police where at the time of the strikes as a tangible example but it's hard to say that was the implementation of political belief rather than a symptom of the times, not that it was right. I've heard and read the term 'class war' without an explanation, the Poll Tax is just Council Tax, I'm just bloody confused. The two things I dislike were her policies on immigration which is probably counter to most people's in the SOT area and the whole Falklands thing and nobody else seems too fused about this.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2013 22:44:03 GMT
I know but that's kind of what I'm asking. The only thing people have been able to say is how heavy handed the police where at the time of the strikes as a tangible example but it's hard to say that was the implementation of political belief rather than a symptom of the times, not that it was right. I've heard and read the term 'class war' without an explanation, the Poll Tax is just Council Tax, I'm just bloody confused. The two things I dislike where her policies on immigration which is probably counter to most people's in the area and the whole Falklands thing and nobody else seems too fused about this. What are your views on her education policies?
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Post by generationex on Apr 9, 2013 22:48:33 GMT
The annoying thing is that if some idiot argentine hadn't invaded the Falklands she would have been gone by 1983 - and there would have been no civil war against the north, or demonisation of football fans. She'd be richly forgotten by now nevermind fools calling for minutes silence.
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Post by fegghayze on Apr 9, 2013 22:48:40 GMT
I know but that's kind of what I'm asking. The only thing people have been able to say is how heavy handed the police where at the time of the strikes as a tangible example but it's hard to say that was the implementation of political belief rather than a symptom of the times, not that it was right. I've heard and read the term 'class war' without an explanation, the Poll Tax is just Council Tax, I'm just bloody confused. The two things I dislike were her policies on immigration which is probably counter to most people's in the SOT area and the whole Falklands thing and nobody else seems too fused about this. the Poll Tax is just Council TaxThis is wrong! - This was the "Community Charge" very different and was abolished. The other effect was that some did not register themselves on the electoral register to evade paying. This was thought to have had an effect on the results of the next general election when the Tories won, despite most opinion polls pointing to a hung parliament or narrow Labour majority. People also forget that she was in the process of closing down hospitals when she bowed out of the leadership race. Also she closed down psychiatric hospitals and subsequently people were found to be homeless and living rough who were former residents.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 9, 2013 22:50:48 GMT
I have never had such a diametrically opposed set of emotions regarding this Seeing the desolation that Thatcher's premiership has done to this area, my own family and that of my friends is sickening. She has turned good honest people into walking shells, ripping the pride and honour that providing clothing, food and warmth for a beloved family through good honest graft brings. A country that stands still repairing itself from the effects of her tenure, the banking crisis, shortages of social housing, privatization, childcare, welfare state etc. Anyone who looks around the areas of Stoke-on-Trent can still see, standing decimated, lying ruined in a Pompeii style horror preserving the after-effects of snatching employment, pride and self worth from bread-winners, food, clothing and shoes from children and to top it all off, the nourishment of milk from children. Anyone, but anyone, who can argue that Margaret Thatcher should be lauded wants to take a walking tour of our area, the landscape, the mausoleum of industry still left here, speak to the men and women along with their children who saw the guts ripped out of this area and remember that this area is one of many, many more that suffered and suffer still. Even as a football fan, remember a woman who has allegedly, according to the media, part of the Hillsborough cover up www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/hillsborough-cover-up-margaret-thatcher-1321049To honour her with a minutes silence at football matches would be crass and inappropriate at the very, very least. However, despite all this, the dancing on newspapers, effigy's, vile pictures on social media and the least tasteful of website proffering their sputum as jokes we should remember that this person has a family. A long line of innocent people who are attached by blood that whatever we all think (and my opinions very clear above) are devoid of all responsibility for her actions that will be mourning the loss of a mother, cousin, aunty etc. To talk of picketing a funeral from various bodies is again targeting innocents To see reported that there would almost definitely be widespread booing and jeering when trying to hold a silence at a football match for the remaining family can only compound their loss. I very rarely agree with the league governing bodies but on this occasion I have to say they have done the right thing. In my heart of hearts I would not want to observe the silence, but part of me says that we shouldnt punish the family left behind. As I say a very, very tricky subject and I have refrained from comment on any social media or forum on this subject until now What is truly disgusting is that Tory politicians are revelling in the ceremonial funeral she is receiving. They are glorying in her victory over anyone who had the courage to oppose her(see the Northern Echo). By giving her the same status as The Queen Mother and Princess Diana they are deliberately elevating her to the level of royalty. Cameron will bask in this as he has always claimed to be the 'son of Thatcher'. This is a cynical political ploy. 'The Evening Standard' has even claimed the presence of The Queen will act as a unifying force! What they really mean is that it will rubber stamp everything the damned woman did?! The family left behind? You mean her son who corruptly profited from the arms deal his own mother set up with Saudi Arabia! People forget how bent the surviving family is? Let them grieve in peace as all families do.
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