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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 17:25:29 GMT
Played 23, Goals 0, Assists 0 Well done. I don't suppose you have the 'percentage of passes to own player' or 'number of successful tackles' or 'number of times successfully covered a team-mates error' stats do you? Not so long back we had strikers with stats comparable to those you've just rolled out.
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Post by jasepc on Jan 26, 2013 17:26:47 GMT
Pulis will turn him into a poor midfielder, no forward movement, he will struggle to show his potential while an incumbent is in charge
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 17:27:50 GMT
He needs better forward players in my view. Glenn Whelan is looking better since he arrived, but like I say, we need more skill up front. The team looks a complete mess at the moment. Before anyone starts, we also need proper full backs too.
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Post by RAF on Jan 26, 2013 17:32:22 GMT
N'Nzonzi looked the most composed on the ball again today for me. The problem is there wasn't anyone else composed enough out there to help him. He can only hold the ball up for so long. The problem I see with our team at the moment is no fucker gives anyone any options. This is why we get caught all the time and why our forwards never get any fucking service. Glenn Whelan can twat them from 20 yards all fucking day, he isn't the answer for me.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Jan 26, 2013 18:10:07 GMT
Who could he pass to when there's no movement? This with spades, some peoples comments beggar belief, if you have no targets making runs and the wingers are never ahead of the play what do you expect him to do. Exactly ,movement of front 2 was poor today and the least said about Kightly the better.
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Post by borat on Jan 26, 2013 18:29:04 GMT
He started well when he first came to Stoke, but in my opinion, he's been really poor in the last few matches. Did he make a forward pass today? Always sideways or backwards. Horseshit, the best central midfielder under Pulis, easily. he's just surrounded by average players.
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Post by stantheman on Jan 26, 2013 19:14:48 GMT
Played 23, Goals 0, Assists 0 Well done. I don't suppose you have the 'percentage of passes to own player' or 'number of successful tackles' or 'number of times successfully covered a team-mates error' stats do you? Not so long back we had strikers with stats comparable to those you've just rolled out. 'Percentage of passes to own player' - yes he's 100% accurate with passes sideways and backwards. Next time you watch him play, see how many of his 100% accurate passes are made forwards, or better still, how often he crosses the half way line. For someone of his height, has he ever got on the end of a corner? (That's when we have players ALLOWED in the opponents box.) Today, he offered protection to Huth and Shawcross - nothing more. It's a good job Whelan had a good game
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 19:18:24 GMT
He's desperate for some football ability and a brain alongside him, around him and infront of him.
One ball he played summed it all up. Second half, first time with the outside of his foot into the Boothen / Q-Railing corner. Lovely pass.
Kenwyne Jones (and I like Jones..) stood and watched it, rather than anticipate it, and subsequently had to chase it down to recover the situation.
I feel desperately sorry for N'Zonzi at times. He's losing a losing battle in that midfield and our team. He as the potential to be the best modern central midfielder of our time at this club but I fear we don't have the structure in place to enable it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 19:26:56 GMT
Well done. I don't suppose you have the 'percentage of passes to own player' or 'number of successful tackles' or 'number of times successfully covered a team-mates error' stats do you? Not so long back we had strikers with stats comparable to those you've just rolled out. 'Percentage of passes to own player' - yes he's 100% accurate with passes sideways and backwards. Next time you watch him play, see how many of his 100% accurate passes are made forwards, or better still, how often he crosses the half way line. For someone of his height, has he ever got on the end of a corner? (That's when we have players ALLOWED in the opponents box.) Today, he offered protection to Huth and Shawcross - nothing more. It's a good job Whelan had a good game Stan with all due respect if you don't know what Nzonzi brings to the table then I suggest you go and watch netball, because you now nothing about footie.
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Post by stantheman on Jan 26, 2013 19:34:49 GMT
'Percentage of passes to own player' - yes he's 100% accurate with passes sideways and backwards. Next time you watch him play, see how many of his 100% accurate passes are made forwards, or better still, how often he crosses the half way line. For someone of his height, has he ever got on the end of a corner? (That's when we have players ALLOWED in the opponents box.) Today, he offered protection to Huth and Shawcross - nothing more. It's a good job Whelan had a good game Stan with all due respect if you don't know what Nzonzi brings to the table then I suggest you go and watch netball, because you now nothing about footie. So, Mr knowledgeable Greenhoff, what did he bring to the table today? Defence splitting passes? Surging runs from the midfield? Efforts on goal, or did he sit in front of the back 4 and generally break things down? Emperors New Clothes springs to mind.
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Post by BigKahunaBurger on Jan 26, 2013 19:37:08 GMT
He must have a 95% pass completion rate every game, never looks in trouble on the ball and often has no choice but to pass sideways or backwards because there is 0 movement in front of him. Class act
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 26, 2013 19:50:01 GMT
Fuck me...I've read some absolute steaming dog shit on here over the years, but this is taking things to a new level.
I'd love to be able to read an Oatcake message board from the 70s. I'm sure there'd be thread titles like:
"HUDSON: Useless fucking showpony?"
"Is Ritchie just a big carthorse?" etc etc
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Post by vinnieoverson on Jan 26, 2013 20:58:03 GMT
He was fuckin' mint again today, of all the shit to moan about regarding Stoke City today to pick on possibly the best player at the club who had a good game is just taking Oatcake idiocy to another level. Well done you.
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Post by droz on Jan 26, 2013 20:59:26 GMT
Nzonzi has been the best player on the pitch in my view this season and I hope he's the heartbeat of our team for years to come.
Thanks.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jan 26, 2013 21:02:54 GMT
I thought he looked head and shoulders above the rest of his teammates. He does go sideways a bit, but that's what good footballers do- keep possession. It isn't always possible to go surging through midfield or pinging defence splitting passes every time you get the ball is it? God knows we've waited long enough for a midfielder who can keep the ball, so let's not start complaining about it eh? This , showed the only glimmer of any sort of quality today ( stoke anyway ) !
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Post by wrightspies on Jan 26, 2013 21:07:35 GMT
The worlds gone mad!!! Nzonzi is the best player we have!
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Post by heisenberg on Jan 26, 2013 21:12:15 GMT
In my own opinion, this sums up the complete lunacy that happens on this board day in day out!
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Post by themightyragnar on Jan 26, 2013 21:19:02 GMT
It's nothing to do with the players around him he's not cutting edge enough, don't get me wrong he's a great player but I noticed a couple of times he passed it to another player which wasn't the best option and put often Walters or Kightly under real pressure Late on missed some of the thread so apologies if repeated but this is spot on. When we signed the lad everyone was raving about him and I thought he looks good on the ball and has good posession, top marks TP. Began to look further and find the guy just constantly lays the ball off and also not always in a constructive manner. Then thought the guy is better than what we have and as a result makes our regulars look poor when not doing likewise. Current option after seeing him all season, petulant behaviour creeping in, looking dis-interested at times, puts other players in very very close formation positions with opposition, I'll suited for the killer pass and relies on a quick lay off in any direction. Now TP may be holding him back , do not know and the surrounding players may be pants but I thought that Stellar Players as he is touted as, make openings, make other players play well, create, chances and become central in the team as a kingpin. I hope I am wrong here because we may need the type of player as described above before May. Keep ball is great but when we have stopped keeping ball we want score ball.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 27, 2013 0:29:39 GMT
I thought he looked head and shoulders above the rest of his teammates. He does go sideways a bit, but that's what good footballers do- keep possession. It isn't always possible to go surging through midfield or pinging defence splitting passes every time you get the ball is it? God knows we've waited long enough for a midfielder who can keep the ball, so let's not start complaining about it eh? This x1000 But some Stoke fans are tossers. At one point we had about 7/8 passes keeping possession going sidewards and backwards but keeping the ball and the groaning started! Groaning about keeping the ball!
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Post by y2j on Jan 27, 2013 0:40:32 GMT
Anyone who moans about N'zonzi really hasn't got a clue about football. He is a class above our whole team. But his frustration is becoming more evident each game. The lack of pace going forward is obvious so he doesn't have much choose to go sideways or back. His tackling is good and in my opinion he's helped Whelan become a better player. N'zonzi is good enough for a team like Spurs, Everton etc.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 27, 2013 0:42:57 GMT
People moan about the way we play and the way we keep the ball then moan about N'Zonzi!! You really could not invent this nuthouse even under the influence of the strongest LSD.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 27, 2013 0:51:34 GMT
SNZ is clearly our most talented footballer by a country mile.
I'm worried that our total lack of attacking and wide options is leaving him frustrated to the point of him becoming a ticking time bomb.
He's wasted in our current set up and the sooner we get some players with pace for him to pass to the better.
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Post by werrington on Jan 27, 2013 0:53:57 GMT
SNZ is clearly our most talented footballer by a country mile. I'm worried that our total lack of attacking and wide options is leaving him frustrated to the point of him becoming a ticking time bomb. He's wasted in our current set up and the sooner we get some players with pace for him to pass to the better. Never happen Jamo Its all about 40 points mate
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 27, 2013 0:55:32 GMT
SNZ is clearly our most talented footballer by a country mile. I'm worried that our total lack of attacking and wide options is leaving him frustrated to the point of him becoming a ticking time bomb. He's wasted in our current set up and the sooner we get some players with pace for him to pass to the better. Never happen Jamo Its all about 40 points mate I can't see it happening either, mate. Like you I don't expect much activity between now and Thursday night either.
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 27, 2013 0:56:11 GMT
He makes the difficult things look simple, and then when he passes to a team mate and they make a simple thing look difficult, he gets the blame? Again you couldn't make this shit up! OS.
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Post by alansuddick on Jan 27, 2013 10:26:11 GMT
he was our best player today. he must curse the day he signed for us,far too good for stoke
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Post by y2j on Jan 27, 2013 10:29:15 GMT
Spot on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 10:30:04 GMT
he is probably feet up on the couch watching the telly today ? surely ?
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Post by foster on Jan 27, 2013 11:34:14 GMT
Clearly our best midfielder.
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Post by miltonstokie on Jan 27, 2013 11:45:03 GMT
he was our best player today. he must curse the day he signed for us,far too good for stoke Thought exactly the same
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