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Post by rabbigan on Apr 15, 2008 12:08:44 GMT
Last nights Derby Telegraph while devoting 5 pages to saying what a shite side the current Rams are also mentioned the quite astonishing fact that they have already sold 19,000 season tickets for next year and were confidently expecting sales to exceed their previous best preseason sales figure of 24,000.
Can anyone explain to me why they get such support and we are hoping to sell 10,000. Ok they have no other side in the city with whom they compete but Derby is a considerably smaller city than Stoke. ???
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Post by apb1 on Apr 15, 2008 12:14:38 GMT
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Post by dexter97 on Apr 15, 2008 12:19:51 GMT
To be fair, Derby is only a little smaller than Stoke, and their "catchment area" is as big if not greater.
Crucially though, Derby have a recent history of relative success (compared to Stoke), so their attendance has to be taken in that context. See also Norwich and Ipswich, which ARE considerably smaller.
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Post by stokecityscott on Apr 15, 2008 12:31:29 GMT
norwich sold 18000 season tickets for next season just before we played them
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Post by u2oxeterstokie on Apr 15, 2008 12:39:29 GMT
There are loads of Derby fans demanding a full refund on the season tickets they have purchased! Did you see the fans leaving before half time when they played Villa?
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Post by armitagestokie on Apr 15, 2008 13:06:13 GMT
With the millions for coming down, next season for the rams will be exciting!!!Expect Stoke to do the same if we come straight back down.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Apr 15, 2008 13:08:08 GMT
The Premiership factor.
When Derby went up to the Prem for the first time their attendances were around what ours are now. A few years in the Prem + relative success and we'll be filling the Brit regularly.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Apr 15, 2008 13:11:49 GMT
With the millions for coming down, next season for the rams will be exciting!!!Expect Stoke to do the same if we come straight back down. Exactly armitage. They will be coming down with £30/40m(?) - that should allow them a pretty good chance to p*ss the league next season. I'd be pretty expectant if I was a Derby fan too!
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Post by Gods on Apr 15, 2008 13:14:11 GMT
According to the latest census the population of Stoke is 239,000 and Derby 230,000 so to all intents and purposes the cties are the same size.
It caught my eye that Wakefield has 316,000 people, must be a contender like Milton Keynes before it to simply buy a franchise for a league club. They could probably pick the Vale up for a song and port what remains of the operation up to Yorkshire!
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Post by apb1 on Apr 15, 2008 13:14:46 GMT
Their first season back in the top flight the average was only 18000, then 29000 the year after!
Was the Baseball Ground capacity reduced before they moved?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2008 13:17:58 GMT
According to the latest census the population of Stoke is 239,000 and Derby 230,000 so to all intents and purposes the cties are the same size. It caught my eye that Wakefield has 316,000 people, must be a contender like Milton Keynes before it to simply buy a franchise for a league club. They could probably pick the Vale up for a song and port what remains of the operation up to Yorkshire! Add Castle though and You are talking 350,000-400,000
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Post by mikeyb99 on Apr 15, 2008 13:18:03 GMT
That 29,000 average attendence won't have been for the Baseball Ground, it couldn't even hold that many.
And no, I don't think any changes were made to it before they moved.
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Post by apb1 on Apr 15, 2008 13:21:51 GMT
I presumed that the 29000 was when they moved grounds, but 11,000 is a big jump - ours went up about 2000 (admittedly it wasn't the best timing in the world)
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Post by Mr Jon on Apr 15, 2008 13:55:05 GMT
Gods - Wakefield's actual urban population is around 80,000, similar to 'castle. The population of 319,000 is it's metropolitan district, and that includes a lot of whippets and a sizeable flock of homing pigeons. Having said that, Vale can go and re-locate there any time!
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Post by Gods on Apr 15, 2008 14:02:15 GMT
thanks for the clarification mrjon, must admit I thought I knew my cities and was somewhat mystified by the Wakefield statistic!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2008 19:54:14 GMT
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Post by rabbigan on Apr 15, 2008 22:04:44 GMT
Thanks for that confirmation Bayern. Over50% larger immediate population. It obviously goes back to the success under Clough that lifted them but in that same period we also had aour best spell of modern times with Waddo but those crowds did not stay with the club.
Its strange but I still believe we have a big crowd potential but we just need to get some belief generated in the club.
The club could of course also help. I still think the PR with fans is abysmal and the failure to sort out something so constantly annoying as exiting car parks does not help. Although I went to see Man U a few weeks ago and had not turned a wheel an hour after end of game. Took 2.1/2 hours back to Stoke.
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Post by millermay1968 on Apr 15, 2008 23:52:12 GMT
No one has mentioned that they are a bigger club than us,much bigger in fact ???and not as many glory hunters ???
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Post by daverichards on Apr 15, 2008 23:55:17 GMT
There are loads of Derby fans demanding a full refund on the season tickets they have purchased! Did you see the fans leaving before half time when they played Villa? if your on about MOTD, looked like they wre going to get an early beer before half time to me
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Post by chrispk76 on Apr 16, 2008 0:04:24 GMT
they have flirted with the prem more than us, so will get more interest.
i would also like to say that derby are in a similar position to vale. i bet port vale get a larger average crowd next season despite being in a lower league than their current one. its the lure of possible success whichever standard they battle at that brings the fans in. derby will feel they'l murder the championship teams after strengthening so the fans will be confident of seeing something exciting.
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Post by prong on Apr 16, 2008 0:44:07 GMT
WAKEFIELD IS PART OF LEEDS
If any Wakies disagree, perhaps they should go ask their dads why they were wandering around the streets with Billy, wearing the White back in the day.
Or perhaps they might want to go in any pub, and see how many stupid youths are wearing Arsenal and Chelsea shirts now we're struggling and ask them what they were wearing 5 years ago.
Wakefield? Fucking pisser. ;D
*And for the record, a shit hole.
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Post by bcfc4life88 on Apr 16, 2008 1:41:55 GMT
they have flirted with the prem more than us, so will get more interest. i would also like to say that derby are in a similar position to vale. i bet port vale get a larger average crowd next season despite being in a lower league than their current one. its the lure of possible success whichever standard they battle at that brings the fans in. derby will feel they'l murder the championship teams after strengthening so the fans will be confident of seeing something exciting. The only thing derby will be murdering next season is there promotion "hopes" when they find out they will be fighting relegation....! There fans should be paid to watch their shite week in week out! Could be a new job there...
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Post by Linx on Apr 16, 2008 6:17:31 GMT
Stoke's problem is that we're too close to Manchester and Liverpool . Fecking glory hunters .
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Post by Northy on Apr 16, 2008 7:06:04 GMT
I go to Wakefield quite regulary with work and it's nowhere near over £300k, about 80k is right. the place is a craphole and looks like Burslem on giro day, however it is undergoing quite a revamp at the moment, but it is a rugby League City and won't get a big football crowd, just liek Warrington. Sorry Wakefieldstokie
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Apr 16, 2008 8:03:29 GMT
mikeyb99, I think you're about right there.
The same happened to West Brom, Birmingham, Bolton, Leicester, Watford etc.
All of these clubs had a similar size support to our selves in the early to mid 90's. When they all tasted a season in the Prem a large % of the new support remained when they came down.
I think that Derby's fans have stuck by them and don't seem to have ideas above their station. They know what they are and where they belong which in my opinion is a club that will bounce up and down between the Prem and the Championship.
Will the same happen to Stoke with our supporter as and when we get promoted.?
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Post by wardrobe monster on Apr 16, 2008 8:06:22 GMT
Just to comment on the parachute payments being mentioned, Jewell has told BBC that the money has already been spent by the previous regime so he will not have that available to him (shocking if true!!).
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Post by hartshillpotter on Apr 16, 2008 8:32:13 GMT
I don't really understand this thread.... at no point has anyone mentioned HOW MANY we have actually sold, I went down to the Brit on Monday and people were waiting for over an hr to get tickets. When I got the counter they informed me that the projections are IF we win on Sat and the ticket sales carry on at the usual rate it will be close to a sell out for next season
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Apr 16, 2008 9:30:58 GMT
I don't really understand this thread.... at no point has anyone mentioned HOW MANY we have actually sold, I went down to the Brit on Monday and people were waiting for over an hr to get tickets. When I got the counter they informed me that the projections are IF we win on Sat and the ticket sales carry on at the usual rate it will be close to a sell out for next season I do think you are dreaming or you have been miss informed. Are you saying that if we get promoted we'll sell 22/23000 season tickets. I'll send you some reality pills kiddo.
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Post by hartshillpotter on Apr 16, 2008 10:38:49 GMT
from my source at the ticket office then we are looking at between 17 and 18 better than the 10 that most people seem to think we are going to sell
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Post by mikeyb99 on Apr 16, 2008 11:03:37 GMT
17 and 18k?
Our average attendance isn't even that high, why would we sell that many ST's?
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