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Post by mattythestokie on Aug 11, 2012 16:08:45 GMT
Defoe by a gazillion miles! No comparison for me (although I'd take Gabby if JD was a non starter) as I think Defoe is one of the best strikers in the league. It would be simply massive to get him here. Completely agree. His finishing really and his ability to be in the right place at the right time really is second to none |
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Post by pombear on Aug 11, 2012 16:13:36 GMT
Defoe by a gazillion miles! No comparison for me (although I'd take Gabby if JD was a non starter) as I think Defoe is one of the best strikers in the league. It would be simply massive to get him here. Completely agree. His finishing really and his ability to be in the right place at the right time really is second to none Definitely! Add to that the link up with Palacios and Crouch. Perfick. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 11, 2012 16:13:58 GMT
Defoe by a gazillion miles! No comparison for me (although I'd take Gabby if JD was a non starter) as I think Defoe is one of the best strikers in the league. It would be simply massive to get him here. Completely agree. His finishing really and his ability to be in the right place at the right time really is second to none But NOT if he's playing Walters' role and running around in midfield and making tackles at full back.  |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 11, 2012 16:14:44 GMT
Completely agree. His finishing really and his ability to be in the right place at the right time really is second to none But NOT if he's playing Walters' role and running around in midfield and making tackles at full back. Even Tone wouldn't sign him and expect him to do that? Shirley? |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 11, 2012 16:17:04 GMT
But NOT if he's playing Walters' role and running around in midfield and making tackles at full back. Even Tone wouldn't sign him and expect him to do that? Shirley? Don't call me......... ;D Seriously Jammo, of course that would be stupid but it DOES highlight the fact that we'd have to adapt our approach if Defoe was to be in the side. I'd LOVE to see it happen. |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 11, 2012 16:20:32 GMT
Even Tone wouldn't sign him and expect him to do that? Shirley? Don't call me......... ;D Seriously Jammo, of course that would be stupid but it DOES highlight the fact that we'd have to adapt our approach if Defoe was to be in the side. I'd LOVE to see it happen. I'm quite hopeful that we have reached that point even in Tone's mind and he is starting to take a few little steps towards evolution. This season, I'm going to be far easier to please and I'm going to attempt to be more "glass half full". That said, come back to me in January and ask how that's going! |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 11, 2012 16:25:23 GMT
Me too mate. Others on here think I've lost my mind because I really DO think that Pulis is 'toying' with the idea of change. He won't abandon his beliefs (nor should he) because he's had great success with 'his way' but I'm hoping (like you) that he might be considering 'adapting' them slightly. Probably kidding ourselves but let's hope not.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 11, 2012 16:27:04 GMT
Me too mate. Others on here think I've lost my mind because I really DO think that Pulis is 'toying' with the idea of change. He won't abandon his beliefs (nor should he) because he's had great success with 'his way' but I'm hoping (like you) that he might be considering 'adapting' them slightly. Probably kidding ourselves but let's hope not. The signings up to now and the links to players suggest it, doz. We'll see soon enough, mate. |
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Post by pickins on Aug 11, 2012 17:25:41 GMT
I'd like to see Gabby at the brit.
If only so we could get a Lionel Ritchie song going . . . .
" Hello . . . . . . . You on speed Agbonlahor? "
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 11, 2012 17:50:24 GMT
If Defoe were to sign and i really hope he does he has to play on the shoulder of the opposition defense,this is where he is at his best.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 11, 2012 17:54:55 GMT
If Defoe were to sign and i really hope he does he has to play on the shoulder of the opposition defense,this is where he is at his best. Totally agree. So who's going to cover the 3-man job that Walters is asked to do? |
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 11, 2012 17:57:33 GMT
If Defoe were to sign and i really hope he does he has to play on the shoulder of the opposition defense,this is where he is at his best. Totally agree. So who's going to cover the 3-man job that Walters is asked to do? Well a fit Palacios and Cameron looks like he has a good engine so maybe just maybe we may have a slightly different set up this season. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 11, 2012 17:58:19 GMT
Totally agree. So who's going to cover the 3-man job that Walters is asked to do? Well a fit Palacios and Cameron looks like he has a good engine so maybe just maybe we may have a slightly different set up this season. Hope so mate, really hope so. |
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 11, 2012 17:59:40 GMT
Well a fit Palacios and Cameron looks like he has a good engine so maybe just maybe we may have a slightly different set up this season. Hope so mate, really hope so. Me,you and many thousands of others mate. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 11, 2012 18:00:09 GMT
Even Tone wouldn't sign him and expect him to do that? Shirley? Don't call me......... ;D Seriously Jammo, of course that would be stupid but it DOES highlight the fact that we'd have to adapt our approach if Defoe was to be in the side. I'd LOVE to see it happen. He didn't change it for Crouch why would he for Defo? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 11, 2012 18:04:04 GMT
Me too mate. Others on here think I've lost my mind because I really DO think that Pulis is 'toying' with the idea of change. He won't abandon his beliefs (nor should he) because he's had great success with 'his way' but I'm hoping (like you) that he might be considering 'adapting' them slightly. Probably kidding ourselves but let's hope not. It wouldn't be adapting them 'slightly' though would it Doz? It'd be a monumental shift in his thinking. Hardly anybody plays a traditional 4-4-2 (which is what we're talking about) anymore - and now that Redknapp has gone, I'm not sure there's another manager in the Prem who does. And Tony Pulis hasn't ever done so. You're right to ask who will be playing the 'Walters role' because somebody most certainly will be asked to do it. |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 11, 2012 18:14:01 GMT
Me too mate. Others on here think I've lost my mind because I really DO think that Pulis is 'toying' with the idea of change. He won't abandon his beliefs (nor should he) because he's had great success with 'his way' but I'm hoping (like you) that he might be considering 'adapting' them slightly. Probably kidding ourselves but let's hope not. It wouldn't be adapting them 'slightly' though would it Doz? It'd be a monumental shift in his thinking. Hardly anybody plays a traditional 4-4-2 (which is what we're talking about) anymore - and now that Redknapp has gone, I'm not sure there's another manager in the Prem who does. And Tony Pulis hasn't ever done so. You're right to ask who will be playing the 'Walters role' because somebody most certainly will be asked to do it. You're right that it would take a big shift in Tone's thinking, Paul. I'm hanging my hopes on two things. 1) In G-Cam and Palacios we may have significantly upgraded our midfield which has pretty much been our weak link for many a season and often gets overrun without Jon or in days gone by, Mama. I also believe that Kightly being a less orthodox winger will also strengthen the central area of the pitch with him drifting inside more than hugging the touch line. 2) TP himself has been talking about improving us at the sharp end. I don't believe he thinks we can carry on offensively as we have done and I think (hope) he is about to change things. We all know that a Walters/Crouch partnership isn't going to deliver goals due to a painful lack of pace so he must be thinking of something. Either that or we'll just go as we always have done!  I keep saying it but I'm determined to be more "glass half full" this season!! |
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 11, 2012 18:21:01 GMT
It wouldn't be adapting them 'slightly' though would it Doz? It'd be a monumental shift in his thinking. Hardly anybody plays a traditional 4-4-2 (which is what we're talking about) anymore - and now that Redknapp has gone, I'm not sure there's another manager in the Prem who does. And Tony Pulis hasn't ever done so. You're right to ask who will be playing the 'Walters role' because somebody most certainly will be asked to do it. You're right that it would take a big shift in Tone's thinking, Paul. I'm hanging my hopes on two things. 1) In G-Cam and Palacios we may have significantly upgraded our midfield which has pretty much been our weak link for many a season and often gets overrun without Jon or in days gone by, Mama. I also believe that Kightly being a less orthodox winger will also strengthen the central area of the pitch with him drifting inside more than hugging the touch line. 2) TP himself has been talking about improving us at the sharp end. I don't believe he thinks we can carry on offensively as we have done and I think (hope) he is about to change things. We all know that a Walters/Crouch partnership isn't going to deliver goals due to a painful lack of pace so he must be thinking of something. Either that or we'll just go as we always have done! I keep saying it but I'm determined to be more "glass half full" this season!! Well put Jamo but i think the whole structure of the club seems to be going through a transition and i think that a certain Mr Coates has had a word in someones shell like. Looks like he's told him to trim get rid buy wise but i also think that if a big name/money player became available sir Peter would sanction it. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 11, 2012 18:21:25 GMT
That's a very good response Jamo.
However I'll be (very) surprised if somebody isn't asked to play the Gifton/Mama/Walters role this season, regardless of who we sign - that's not me being deliberately negative but rather we see suggestions that Tone is going to change every summer but those changes never actually materialise.
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Post by 99problems on Aug 11, 2012 18:23:08 GMT
Re: Defoe or Gabby?
Trick question. The right answer is sturridge, but of the 2 I'd take Defoe.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 11, 2012 18:27:13 GMT
That's a very good response Jamo. However I'll be (very) surprised if somebody isn't asked to play the Gifton/Mama/Walters role this season, regardless of who we sign - that's not me being deliberately negative but rather we see suggestions that Tone is going to change every summer but those changes never actually materialise. And that is what it boils down to, mate. Will he stick or will he twist? Clearly there are very strong arguments to support both trains of thought. TP is naturally cautious which is a big reason why we are where we are and enjoying the Premier League still but maybe, just maybe he could alter things around. The left field foreign signings also give me reason to think he may have had a mini "Damascus" moment. I certainly wouldn't bet my mortgage on it but I think it could be an intriguing few weeks. |
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Post by droz on Aug 11, 2012 18:31:03 GMT
That's a very good response Jamo. However I'll be (very) surprised if somebody isn't asked to play the Gifton/Mama/Walters role this season, regardless of who we sign - that's not me being deliberately negative but rather we see suggestions that Tone is going to change every summer but those changes never actually materialise. You're right, Paul; 4-4-2 seems to be a thing of the past. Being a bit simplistic here, but surely Crouch could drop back and let Defoe be the furthest forward, playing on the shoulder as Doz pointed out is his most effective position? He would definitely be up for the chasing, too, as previously discussed. Superb post, Jamo. Palacios and Cameron may have a bit more craft and energy about them (not headless chicken energy (sorry Deano, who I like) which would take the pressure off. Plus, with a bit of competition, the wingers may well have to work harder as well, which should be helped by having a proper left back. Pie in the sky at the moment, but do-able! |
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 11, 2012 18:32:00 GMT
That's a very good response Jamo. However I'll be (very) surprised if somebody isn't asked to play the Gifton/Mama/Walters role this season, regardless of who we sign - that's not me being deliberately negative but rather we see suggestions that Tone is going to change every summer but those changes never actually materialise. And that is what it boils down to, mate. Will he stick or will he twist? Clearly there are very strong arguments to support both trains of thought. TP is naturally cautious which is a big reason why we are where we are and enjoying the Premier League still but maybe, just maybe he could alter things around. The left field foreign signings also give me reason to think he may have had a mini "Damascus" moment. I certainly wouldn't bet my mortgage on it but I think it could be an intriguing few weeks. The youth team set up has had a big turn around,my mates son was not offered a new contract as he wasn't progressing quick enough(too small) 2 weeks later they were knocking on his door begging him to resign,when he asked why is he good enough now whats changed? They said we have! Although safety is paramount especially with the new prem money next season i think Peter wants better football for his/their money. |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 11, 2012 18:33:28 GMT
And that is what it boils down to, mate. Will he stick or will he twist? Clearly there are very strong arguments to support both trains of thought. TP is naturally cautious which is a big reason why we are where we are and enjoying the Premier League still but maybe, just maybe he could alter things around. The left field foreign signings also give me reason to think he may have had a mini "Damascus" moment. I certainly wouldn't bet my mortgage on it but I think it could be an intriguing few weeks. The youth team set up has had a big turn around,my mates son was not offered a new contract as he wasn't progressing quick enough(too small) 2 weeks later they were knocking on his door begging him to resign,when he asked why is he good enough now whats changed? They said we have! Although safety is paramount especially with the new prem money next season i think Peter wants better football for his/their money. It's funny you mention that, mate. I noted how the youngsters had been utilising a 4-3-3 at times this summer which had surprised me. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 21:06:36 GMT
Imo jermaine Defoe is still the best natural finisher in the premiership. If we could get him them it would be a minor coup for us and it really would rock the city
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Post by aldershotstoke on Aug 11, 2012 21:26:18 GMT
Choice between clinical finisher at all levels of the game OR jerome mark II. Tough one.
Defoe every single day of the week.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 12, 2012 4:36:00 GMT
Defoe : consistency
Gabby : out of sorts last season but promising young talent.
Umm
Defoe for me, we need goals this season.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Aug 12, 2012 5:31:00 GMT
Very interesting debate.....my vote would be Defoe, but there are certainly arguments for Agbonlahor....seriously, though - is there any chance of signing either of them?  |
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 12, 2012 6:07:53 GMT
Gabby would be a longer term signing with a possible sell on value , Defoe would end his career with us As he's coming up to 30 this oct
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Post by aldershotstoke on Aug 12, 2012 6:40:57 GMT
I don't think we need to worry too much about sell on value....this season is all about staying up to claim the mega bucks tv deal the following season.
Defoe will provide the goals to do it. Gabby won't.
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