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Post by stokelad84 on Jul 23, 2012 10:27:37 GMT
Last handful? Enlighten me? Would they include QPR where he was the best player on the pitch despite being out of position? Everton where he helped turn the game around? Or are you basing that on a Bolton game where despite being poor he created one of our best chances from nothing and a red card against Chelsea? I thought he was hung out to dry? Are you now saying he did well there and it wasn't such a bad move to play him there again?
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 23, 2012 10:30:46 GMT
Neither really for me. But if I had to choose it would easily be Owen. I genuinely hope I dont see a marginalised Ric bumbling around chasing shadows in a stoke shirt again. Frankly his last handful of appearances were embarrassing. I just want to remember the magnificent Ric in his pomp. Lets move on eh? Last handful? Enlighten me? Would they include QPR where he was the best player on the pitch despite being out of position? Everton where he helped turn the game around? Or are you basing that on a Bolton game where despite being poor he created one of our best chances from nothing and a red card against Chelsea? Not sure I saw the same Everton match as you, opinions I guess. Chelsea was embarrassing and so too was Bolton where his lack of pace out wide caught him out time and time again. The manager signalled the future for Ric in the Bolton game when he could easily have played him up front. I really don't want to see a hung out to dry declining Rik Fuller again. He has often been the sole reason I have spent thousands of bucks during my exiled years coming back for Stoke games, he's my favourite player since Hooky. I just hope he moves on.
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Post by jbstokie on Jul 23, 2012 10:31:17 GMT
In our system where few chances are created Fuller is bar far the better choice. In a team which creates chances regularly and plays on the floor Owen is the better choice.
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Post by monstermunch on Jul 23, 2012 10:38:43 GMT
Ricardo every time.
Stop starting these stupid threads when you already know the answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 10:47:37 GMT
Last handful? Enlighten me? Would they include QPR where he was the best player on the pitch despite being out of position? Everton where he helped turn the game around? Or are you basing that on a Bolton game where despite being poor he created one of our best chances from nothing and a red card against Chelsea? Not sure I saw the same Everton match as you, opinions I guess. Chelsea was embarrassing and so too was Bolton where his lack of pace out wide caught him out time and time again. The manager signalled the future for Ric in the Bolton game when he could easily have played him up front. I really don't want to see a hung out to dry declining Rik Fuller again. He has often been the sole reason I have spent thousands of bucks during my exiled years coming back for Stoke games, he's my favourite player since Hooky. I just hope he moves on. I agree we should move on and the manager clearly wanted rid, but for the most part last season he looked dangerous when he was played. The Everton game I saw was one where he glided past defenders with ease and he and Jerome caused serious problems for a defence that might as well have slung some hammocks up before their introduction.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Jul 23, 2012 10:53:35 GMT
Another Ric thread?
Because this hasn't been done to death already??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 10:54:40 GMT
Not sure I saw the same Everton match as you, opinions I guess. Chelsea was embarrassing and so too was Bolton where his lack of pace out wide caught him out time and time again. The manager signalled the future for Ric in the Bolton game when he could easily have played him up front. I really don't want to see a hung out to dry declining Rik Fuller again. He has often been the sole reason I have spent thousands of bucks during my exiled years coming back for Stoke games, he's my favourite player since Hooky. I just hope he moves on. I agree we should move on and the manager clearly wanted rid, but for the most part last season he looked dangerous when he was played. The Everton game I saw was one where he glided past defenders with ease and he and Jerome caused serious problems for a defence that might as well have slung some hammocks up before their introduction. yeah but Rob can't you remember that game where Owen glided past those world class defenders at a tournament at the highest level with ease and smashed the ball into the top corner? 1998 i think it was....no brainer therefore
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Post by RAF on Jul 23, 2012 10:54:43 GMT
Not sure I saw the same Everton match as you, opinions I guess. Chelsea was embarrassing and so too was Bolton where his lack of pace out wide caught him out time and time again. The manager signalled the future for Ric in the Bolton game when he could easily have played him up front. I really don't want to see a hung out to dry declining Rik Fuller again. He has often been the sole reason I have spent thousands of bucks during my exiled years coming back for Stoke games, he's my favourite player since Hooky. I just hope he moves on. I agree we should move on and the manager clearly wanted rid, but for the most part last season he looked dangerous when he was played. The Everton game I saw was one where he glided past defenders with ease and he and Jerome caused serious problems for a defence that might as well have slung some hammocks up before their introduction. That's the game I saw aswell Rob. H
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Post by rita sue and danny pugh on Jul 23, 2012 11:03:22 GMT
ricardo before owen even with a leg in plaster
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 11:12:00 GMT
Another Ric thread? Because this hasn't been done to death already?? Agree, he's gone and it's probably in the best interests of all parties. We move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 12:26:07 GMT
Owen if he signs will get double figures next season, sure of it, natural goal scorers always have an eye for it, and in his role as poacher rather than creator fitness is not as big an issue as Ric as a creator. Agree with a lot of posts, both would be awesome, Owen feeding of Ric, but if given a choice...Owen...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 12:28:52 GMT
Owen if he signs will get double figures next season, sure of it, natural goal scorers always have an eye for it, and in his role as poacher rather than creator fitness is not as big an issue as Ric as a creator. Agree with a lot of posts, both would be awesome, Owen feeding of Ric, but if given a choice...Owen... yeah fair point...just what we need is a poacher what with all the balls bobbling around the 6 yard box we have in our games
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Post by geoffscott on Jul 23, 2012 12:58:19 GMT
Owen if he signs will get double figures next season, sure of it, natural goal scorers always have an eye for it, and in his role as poacher rather than creator fitness is not as big an issue as Ric as a creator. Agree with a lot of posts, both would be awesome, Owen feeding of Ric, but if given a choice...Owen... Owen for his natural poacher goal scoring ability? Double figures next season? Lets do the maths: In the 2011 / 12 season Stoke created a goal scoring opportunity from open play once every 121 minutes. So if Stoke don't do any worse than last season, which seams to be the sole ambition of Tony Pulis. 38 games x 90 minutes = 3420 minutes Divide by 121 minutes = 28 goalscoring opportunities from open play in a season. That's 28 opportunities (not goals) in a season if Michael Owen played ALL 38 games and EVERY opportunity fell to him. Yeah right, I just can't understand why Michael Owen hasn't already signed, it must be every goal scoring poacher's dream to play Pulisball!
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Post by bfb on Jul 23, 2012 13:08:00 GMT
We did offer Ric a new contract didnt we, 1 year deal and he wanted 2 plus he wanted to play. Or have I just imagined it
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 23, 2012 13:08:07 GMT
Not sure I saw the same Everton match as you, opinions I guess. Chelsea was embarrassing and so too was Bolton where his lack of pace out wide caught him out time and time again. The manager signalled the future for Ric in the Bolton game when he could easily have played him up front. I really don't want to see a hung out to dry declining Rik Fuller again. He has often been the sole reason I have spent thousands of bucks during my exiled years coming back for Stoke games, he's my favourite player since Hooky. I just hope he moves on. I agree we should move on and the manager clearly wanted rid, but for the most part last season he looked dangerous when he was played. The Everton game I saw was one where he glided past defenders with ease and he and Jerome caused serious problems for a defence that might as well have slung some hammocks up before their introduction. The supposedly injury prone (seriously, how does ONE MAJOR INJURY in SIX SODDING YEARS make an injury prone player?) Fuller came on and brought us a raft of set pieces. He was superb. He did the same against QPR. It's too much to expect him to play out there with any regularity for all manner of reasons. I'd have him back in a heartbeat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 13:30:13 GMT
Geoff...last season is last season.....There is a big difference between getting the ball in the box and watching a seemingly promissing attack fizzle out, and actually creating a chance... Maybe with a player with Owens predatory instincts the created chances would be converted more.. Didn't you appear on Countdown....One from the top please Carol, and 5 from anywhere else...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 13:33:01 GMT
shanghai that's the problem though, we don't tend to get the ball in that often and if we do it's way over Owen's head.......IF we created lots of chances where the ball fizzes into the box or where the ball pings around in the goalmouth then fair enough but that just doesn't happen very often for us at all, not just last season but ever!
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Post by geoffscott on Jul 23, 2012 13:39:29 GMT
Geoff...last season is last season.....There is a big difference between getting the ball in the box and watching a seemingly promissing attack fizzle out, and actually creating a chance... Maybe with a player with Owens predatory instincts the created chances would be converted more.. Didn't you appear on Countdown....One from the top please Carol, and 5 from anywhere else... I used to share your blind optimism, but I've been a season ticket holder throughout the Pulis years and there has been NOTHING to suggest that Pulis has the ability to adapt to utilising a player of Michael Owens ability and natural goalscoring instincts. What you say and suggest are bang on mate, but seriously Tony Pulis is more likely to start with Michael Owen out wide than playing expansive creative football that would suit an individual players strengths. It's all about players adapting to THE SYSTEM of Pulisball, rather than adapting systems and having more than one game plan to benefit any footballers with technical ability.
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Jul 23, 2012 13:49:49 GMT
Owen
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Post by StokeyMan on Jul 23, 2012 13:53:35 GMT
The great thing about Owen, isn't necessarily about his general ability as a forward. It's that a player with such a high profile, no matter about his age, most of the footballing world know his name. It spreads the Stoke fan base further, and more people know about us.
Tuncay was a fantastic signing because everyone in Turkey knew who we were, and liked us. It's the same thing.
Woodgate was another, he played for Real Madrid and Stoke, just saying that makes me laugh. He also played mentor to Shawcross, which considering Shawcross was one of our players of the season, couldn't have been a bad thing.
We all know Pulis likes to mould these players into a coaching role once their playing careers have passed. He's tried/trying with Diao, Nash, Delap, and arguably many more. Owen, with his experience, could become an invaluable asset to the club, teaching our youngsters the real game as a striker.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 13:58:21 GMT
The great thing about Owen, isn't necessarily about his general ability as a forward. It's that a player with such a high profile, no matter about his age, most of the footballing world know his name. It spreads the Stoke fan base further, and more people know about us. Tuncay was a fantastic signing because everyone in Turkey knew who we were, and liked us. It's the same thing. Woodgate was another, he played for Real Madrid and Stoke, just saying that makes me laugh. He also played mentor to Shawcross, which considering Shawcross was one of our players of the season, couldn't have been a bad thing. We all know Pulis likes to mould these players into a coaching role once their playing careers have passed. He's tried/trying with Diao, Nash, Delap, and arguably many more. Owen, with his experience, could become an invaluable asset to the club, teaching our youngsters the real game as a striker. do you genuinely believe that "Most of the footballing world" are even aware that Michael Owen still plays??????? Michael Owen was a high profile player up until about 2001-2002 then his injuries started (he hasn't even completed a full season since 2003!!!) and he completely disappeared into oblivion. i think many on here are getting very confused with the difference between who THEY think of as being high profile because they remember the "Good old days" and those that anyone else around the world still thinks of as being high profile....the simple fact is that Michael Owen isn't high profile even in this country anymore (other than for the memories of what he USED to be) let alone around the rest of the globe
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 23, 2012 14:11:11 GMT
Owen if he signs will get double figures next season, sure of it, natural goal scorers always have an eye for it, and in his role as poacher rather than creator fitness is not as big an issue as Ric as a creator. Agree with a lot of posts, both would be awesome, Owen feeding of Ric, but if given a choice...Owen... Owen for his natural poacher goal scoring ability? Double figures next season? Lets do the maths: In the 2011 / 12 season Stoke created a goal scoring opportunity from open play once every 121 minutes. So if Stoke don't do any worse than last season, which seams to be the sole ambition of Tony Pulis. 38 games x 90 minutes = 3420 minutes Divide by 121 minutes = 28 goalscoring opportunities from open play in a season. That's 28 opportunities (not goals) in a season if Michael Owen played ALL 38 games and EVERY opportunity fell to him. Yeah right, I just can't understand why Michael Owen hasn't already signed, it must be every goal scoring poacher's dream to play Pulisball! Great post, especially for all those people who go to Stoke games but don't actually watch them.
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Post by StokeyMan on Jul 23, 2012 14:18:17 GMT
The great thing about Owen, isn't necessarily about his general ability as a forward. It's that a player with such a high profile, no matter about his age, most of the footballing world know his name. It spreads the Stoke fan base further, and more people know about us. Tuncay was a fantastic signing because everyone in Turkey knew who we were, and liked us. It's the same thing. Woodgate was another, he played for Real Madrid and Stoke, just saying that makes me laugh. He also played mentor to Shawcross, which considering Shawcross was one of our players of the season, couldn't have been a bad thing. We all know Pulis likes to mould these players into a coaching role once their playing careers have passed. He's tried/trying with Diao, Nash, Delap, and arguably many more. Owen, with his experience, could become an invaluable asset to the club, teaching our youngsters the real game as a striker. do you genuinely believe that "Most of the footballing world" are even aware that Michael Owen still plays??????? Michael Owen was a high profile player up until about 2001-2002 then his injuries started (he hasn't even completed a full season since 2003!!!) and he completely disappeared into oblivion. i think many on here are getting very confused with the difference between who THEY think of as being high profile because they remember the "Good old days" and those that anyone else around the world still thinks of as being high profile....the simple fact is that Michael Owen isn't high profile even in this country anymore (other than for the memories of what he USED to be) let alone around the rest of the globe Anyone who is aware of the Premier League yes, definately. You don't suddenly lose your profile because of not playing regularly, people still know his name. I know Ronaldinho still plays, I know Adriano played last year (even though he was released since he was an arse), I know David Beckham still plays, I know Totti still plays and I know Raul still plays (even if it is with some middle eastern team). Peoples reputations don't suddenly fall off the face of the earth, after a setback. They are still remembered for their contributions, and yes, Owen would be a good addition solely for his name. That is, provided his wages were largely based on appearances. Although, as a player, I'd prefer Fuller.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 14:18:49 GMT
I really don't get the "raise the profile" argument. Michael Owen has't been relevant since about 2006. I don't recall the Woodgate signing making us the talk of football either.
As Paul has said before, if Owen were to sign for Wigan or somebody it would hardly set tongues wagging.
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Post by jbstokie on Jul 23, 2012 14:28:58 GMT
I really don't get the "raise the profile" argument. Michael Owen has't been relevant since about 2006. I don't recall the Woodgate signing making us the talk of football either. As Paul has said before, if Owen were to sign for Wigan or somebody it would hardly set tongues wagging. I don't think signing Woodgate raised the profile of the club but he probably helped convince Crouch and Palacios to sign.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 23, 2012 14:42:30 GMT
I think a lot of people just want Owen to sign so that in twenty years time when we're back in the third division they'll be able to say "remember Michael Owen? He played for Stoke you know." To be honest I can understand it.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 23, 2012 14:51:38 GMT
I think a lot of people just want Owen to sign so that in twenty years time when we're back in the third division they'll be able to say "remember Michael Owen? He played for Stoke you know." To be honest I can understand it. A bit like Benito Carbone sending Bradford on their way to the Fourth Division.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 23, 2012 15:13:37 GMT
I think a lot of people just want Owen to sign so that in twenty years time when we're back in the third division they'll be able to say "remember Michael Owen? He played for Stoke you know." To be honest I can understand it. A bit like Benito Carbone sending Bradford on their way to the Fourth Division. Paul Stewart or Neville Southall anyone?
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Post by march4 on Jul 23, 2012 15:18:40 GMT
I think a lot of people just want Owen to sign so that in twenty years time when we're back in the third division they'll be able to say "remember Michael Owen? He played for Stoke you know." To be honest I can understand it. A bit like Benito Carbone sending Bradford on their way to the Fourth Division. And Michael Owen sending Newcastle to the Championship
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 23, 2012 15:20:15 GMT
Hopefully none of them! Ric has been great for is, but he is clearly on his way down. The same could be said for Owen who also is on his way down. Would rather see Jerome in the team than these two now! More pace and power! ;D
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