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Post by Davef on Jun 18, 2012 22:52:14 GMT
Catch twenty two. If you want to change your manager when you are in relegation trouble then who's top of your list to get out of it - Tony Pulis. Similar to what Wolves found out last season Who was the best man to keep them up? Oh, the one they had just sacked! ;D Would that be the same Mick McCarthy who was sacked by Sunderland in in March 2006 with his team bottom of the table on 10 points from 28 games?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 0:03:29 GMT
Just want to know what people think. Well no , cause being in bottom 3 at Xmas doesn't mean relegation for sure , if we get relegated then I guess so
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Post by stokelad84 on Jun 19, 2012 0:30:52 GMT
Just want to know what people think. Well no , cause being in bottom 3 at Xmas doesn't mean relegation for sure , if we get relegated then I guess so Correct. When the league is tight, a single win can jump you up 4 or 5 places. If a team was adrift liek Derby or Sunderland then it's a different story.
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Post by vickyground on Jun 19, 2012 2:08:36 GMT
Yet another "get Pulis out thread"thread. No of course he should not go, if we were in the bottom three by Christmas, as far as I am concerned, the only manager who could get us out of that would be TP. But what puzzles me about the "get Pulis out brigade" is that you would think that this view is so vocal that it must be the majority view and of course if this was so, then the Britt would be half full at best. But strangly, the Britt will be packed, for every home game. Nothing funnier than folk I reckon.
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Post by alster on Jun 19, 2012 6:26:26 GMT
Yet another "get Pulis out thread"thread. No of course he should not go, if we were in the bottom three by Christmas, as far as I am concerned, the only manager who could get us out of that would be TP. But what puzzles me about the "get Pulis out brigade" is that you would think that this view is so vocal that it must be the majority view and of course if this was so, then the Britt would be half full at best. But strangly, the Britt will be packed, for every home game. Nothing funnier than folk I reckon. Its full of people showing their support for Stoke City not Tony Pulis. He is loathed by many, tolerated by the majority, loved by few.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jun 19, 2012 6:36:15 GMT
We shouldn't be but surely we must have recouped a little bit? Ah the old net spend bollocks. Words mostly used by desperate under performing managers and his apologists. Yep. Just like moyes. Why all this fuckin moaning for something that will prob not even happen? This site is beyond me sometimes. :-(
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Post by harryburrows on Jun 19, 2012 6:44:48 GMT
Similar to what Wolves found out last season Who was the best man to keep them up? Oh, the one they had just sacked! ;D Would that be the same Mick McCarthy who was sacked by Sunderland in in March 2006 with his team bottom of the table on 10 points from 28 games? Sacking McCarthy was probably the right thing to do, failing to bring In an established manager was foolishness bordering on negligence
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Post by jarvinski on Jun 19, 2012 6:45:16 GMT
What do you mean IF
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Post by Pedropotter on Jun 19, 2012 7:26:24 GMT
Don't be stupid, of course not.
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Post by Binndy on Jun 19, 2012 7:44:48 GMT
no, Pulis has brought the best out of our players and the system is keeping stoke up.
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Jun 19, 2012 7:57:25 GMT
Yet another "get Pulis out thread"thread. No of course he should not go, if we were in the bottom three by Christmas, as far as I am concerned, the only manager who could get us out of that would be TP. But what puzzles me about the "get Pulis out brigade" is that you would think that this view is so vocal that it must be the majority view and of course if this was so, then the Britt would be half full at best. But strangly, the Britt will be packed, for every home game. Nothing funnier than folk I reckon. Its full of people showing their support for Stoke City not Tony Pulis. He is loathed by many, tolerated by the majority, loved by few. loathed by many? the likes of you, Jarhead, Pugsley are a tiny minority on this board, as the majority of replies to this thread prove.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 19, 2012 8:05:52 GMT
Ah the old net spend bollocks. Words mostly used by desperate under performing managers and his apologists. Yep. Just like moyes. Why all this fuckin moaning for something that will prob not even happen? This site is beyond me sometimes. :-( I ain't moaning mate. I just asked a genuine question - one that people on here are afraid to answer. I loathe his brand of 'football' and his lazy arsed management, not the bloke himself.
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Post by stokelad84 on Jun 19, 2012 8:34:26 GMT
Pugs, you make out only Stoke City are the only club in the league to spend money.
4 years of midtable football may not be good enough in your eyes, but it is good enough for the money men at the club. Who's opinion has much more power.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jun 19, 2012 8:40:02 GMT
We were comfortably safe after the added pressure of Europe and an extended FA Cup run Hardly panic stations is it! In my opinion 3 wins off the drop zone isn't as comfortable as it should have been or as you are making it out to be. Also being bottom of pretty much every positive stats going and our shite second half of the season form is a reason to believe that unless changes are made we could well be in for a long hard struggle next season. Your positivity and optimism is unreal ...
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Post by lordb on Jun 19, 2012 8:42:09 GMT
Best time to sack a manager is just after the season is finished imho
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jun 19, 2012 8:46:10 GMT
Similar to what Wolves found out last season Who was the best man to keep them up? Oh, the one they had just sacked! ;D Would that be the same Mick McCarthy who was sacked by Sunderland in in March 2006 with his team bottom of the table on 10 points from 28 games? It was the same McCarthy who had moulded the club into his image over his 4-5 years and had kept them safe the previous year They would of done a damn sight better if they had kept McCarthy rather than giving the job to his assistant ...
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Post by Gods on Jun 19, 2012 8:52:46 GMT
Who would yo replace him with if he were to go now? Harold Redknapp Harry Redknapp ;D
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Post by Davef on Jun 19, 2012 11:22:06 GMT
Would that be the same Mick McCarthy who was sacked by Sunderland in in March 2006 with his team bottom of the table on 10 points from 28 games? It was the same McCarthy who had moulded the club into his image over his 4-5 years and had kept them safe the previous year They would of done a damn sight better if they had kept McCarthy rather than giving the job to his assistant ... They would still have been relegated.
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Post by soup on Jun 19, 2012 11:36:36 GMT
So in December if we are top 3 should we offer TP a 10 year contract extension.
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Post by stokelad84 on Jun 19, 2012 11:39:02 GMT
So in December if we are top 3 should we offer TP a 10 year contract extension. No it would all be down to the Bet365 money. Somebody else would have got us to 2nd.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 19, 2012 11:52:01 GMT
Pugs, you make out only Stoke City are the only club in the league to spend money. 4 years of midtable football may not be good enough in your eyes, but it is good enough for the money men at the club. Who's opinion has much more power. There are plenty of clubs that spend a lot less, achieve pretty much the same and play a lot more football. The likes of you are a football clubs dream. Have no expectation and will accept any old shit. We've got people on here worrying about relegation - how can that be when we spend £25million a season 'improving' the team? Wake the fuck up.
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Post by stokeramblers on Jun 19, 2012 11:55:39 GMT
Pugs, you make out only Stoke City are the only club in the league to spend money. 4 years of midtable football may not be good enough in your eyes, but it is good enough for the money men at the club. Who's opinion has much more power. There are plenty of clubs that spend a lot less, achieve pretty much the same and play a lot more football. The likes of you are a football clubs dream. Have no expectation and will accept any old shit. We've got people on here worrying about relegation - how can that be when we spend £25million a season 'improving' the team? Wake the fuck up. Everyone up to the top 7/8 worry about relegation. Just look at Villa last season. It's something you need to get used to. All the clubs outside the top 7/8 have survival as their first and most important priority. Sad, but that's the way it is buddy. I am awake and I have seen the truth.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 19, 2012 12:02:48 GMT
There are plenty of clubs that spend a lot less, achieve pretty much the same and play a lot more football. The likes of you are a football clubs dream. Have no expectation and will accept any old shit. We've got people on here worrying about relegation - how can that be when we spend £25million a season 'improving' the team? Wake the fuck up. Everyone up to the top 7/8 worry about relegation. Just look at Villa last season. It's something you need to get used to. All the clubs outside the top 7/8 have survival as their first and most important priority. Sad, but that's the way it is buddy. I am awake and I have seen the truth. Sad indeed. The constant driving down of expectation by shit scared chairman, worried about the PL coin, and under performing managers is the biggest con in football. All this and it's twice, three and sometimes fourtimes as much to see the game as it should be. They should be applauded for getting away with it. Fans should be shot for lapping it up like gullible idiots.
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Post by stokelad84 on Jun 19, 2012 12:20:14 GMT
So why do you continue to pay pugs?
Sounds like you've got your head screwed on... Next you will be telling us that our 2 time player of the year would be a poor signing.
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Jun 19, 2012 12:28:03 GMT
They should be applauded for getting away with it. Fans should be shot for lapping it up like gullible idiots. nice personally I'd like to shoot the PHW's before every game
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Post by Godo on Jun 19, 2012 12:38:01 GMT
We won't be, he shouldn't and Coates would never sack him until the season after relegation if we didn't get back up.
If we sacked him in such a situation it would be certain relegation because who, without a lot of input of money, could play hoofball any better with the team he has assembled than Pulis? A decent manager would need a wholesale changeover of team and coaches/assistant and trying to do that mid season rarely works and Uncle Peter wouldn't fund it. There's not many left with the dinosaur DNA and if we appointed the other one, Big Eck, he would take us down as well.
That's another of the problems with Pulis - he is leaving no legacy - a very unbalanced squad and overall, one or two exceptions aside, a poor backroom team. So when he goes will need a massive changeover to start to play football and to move forward.
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Post by stokelad84 on Jun 19, 2012 12:47:52 GMT
That's another of the problems with Pulis - he is leaving no legacy - a very unbalanced squad and overall, one or two exceptions aside, a poor backroom team. So when he goes will need a massive changeover to start to play football and to move forward. How about being a solid Premier League club? A club which owns it's own stadium, has a modern custom built training facility and will soon be one of three clubs to have the new high standard Academy? Those are solid foundations for anybody to continue with.
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Post by mermaidsal on Jun 19, 2012 12:56:22 GMT
Ha, all the abuse I got when I started exactly this thread a couple of weeks ago, how much reasoned debate now ;D tbh I think it would depend if we're looking doomed in the bottom 3 or just on an obviously unlucky run - doomed and I would hope PC would be brave enough to make the move. The second half of last season just was very, very poor, we have to be realistic about this. If it's not turned around fast we really do have problems.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jun 19, 2012 13:00:43 GMT
It was the same McCarthy who had moulded the club into his image over his 4-5 years and had kept them safe the previous year They would of done a damn sight better if they had kept McCarthy rather than giving the job to his assistant ... They would still have been relegated. Possibly, but they would have given more of a fight under McCarthy that's for sure
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jun 19, 2012 13:01:40 GMT
That's another of the problems with Pulis - he is leaving no legacy - a very unbalanced squad and overall, one or two exceptions aside, a poor backroom team. So when he goes will need a massive changeover to start to play football and to move forward. How about being a solid Premier League club? A club which owns it's own stadium, has a modern custom built training facility and will soon be one of three clubs to have the new high standard Academy? Those are solid foundations for anybody to continue with. Now, now ... let's not let facts get in the way ;D
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