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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 14:21:03 GMT
After the world cup though I thought thats how we should be playing anyway. We simply haven't got the technical ability or mindset to outplay teams like Germany, Spain, Holland, France etc. We showed what we're good at when we played Spain in the friendly and won. As our players are inferior, we need to take a leaf from the book used by Denmark and Greece. You can win this tournament by keeping it tight in a rigid 4-4-1-1 and rely on setpieces. The one thing those teams had that we don't is an indominatable team spirit. And an ability to keep possession. |
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Post by magliarosa on May 27, 2012 14:33:08 GMT
I was wondering if Crouch is on the backup list should one of our strikers become injured? The best outcome last night would have been Carroll getting stretchered off the field with a debilitating injury.
Also Barry isnt good enough and lost the ball too many times last night with simple short sideways passes so him not going wouldn't be the worst news either.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 27, 2012 14:52:14 GMT
I was wondering if Crouch is on the backup list should one of our strikers become injured? The best outcome last night would have been Carroll getting stretchered off the field with a debilitating injury. Also Barry isnt good enough and lost the ball too many times last night with simple short sideways passes so him not going wouldn't be the worst news either. Apparently Crouch and Carrick ruled themselves out of the backup list. Whilst I can understand Crouch's anger...the fact is, if Carroll got injured, he'd step into the squad and most likely be straight into the starting line up because Woy prefers a target man. Poor decision by Pete I reckon. |
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Post by march4 on May 27, 2012 15:14:47 GMT
As our players are inferior, we need to take a leaf from the book used by Denmark and Greece. You can win this tournament by keeping it tight in a rigid 4-4-1-1 and rely on setpieces. The one thing those teams had that we don't is an indominatable team spirit. And an ability to keep possession. Neither Greece nor Denamark showed any propensity to retain possession. Like the current England team they weren't able to do so and so came up with a game plan that didn't need it. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 27, 2012 15:21:14 GMT
And an ability to keep possession. Neither Greece nor Denamark showed any propensity to retain possession. Like the current England team they weren't able to do so and so came up with a game plan that didn't need it. But just about every other successful team in international tournaments over the past 50 years have been able to keep the ball. Work that one out. Was it a fluke that Brazil and Barcelona won a few things? |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 15:21:29 GMT
And an ability to keep possession. Neither Greece nor Denamark showed any propensity to retain possession. Like the current England team they weren't able to do so and so came up with a game plan that didn't need it. Both could do it when they had to. Greece looked to choke games after going 1-0 up. Zagorakis and Basinas were the players of that competition. Denmark had a hugely talented midfield. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 27, 2012 15:24:36 GMT
Neither Greece nor Denamark showed any propensity to retain possession. Like the current England team they weren't able to do so and so came up with a game plan that didn't need it. Both could do it when they had to. Greece looked to choke games after going 1-0 up. Zagorakis and Basinas were the players of that competition. Denmark had a hugely talented midfield. Agree Basinas had an unbelievable tournament. I cant see any of our current midfielders putting in a performance of such consistancy this summer. Despite what many say, I dont think Scott Parker and Gerrard are good enough. The former being overly negative...almost needlessly negative ie constantlly passing it backwards, sidewards and offering very little going forward. Great when you're winning...dour when you're not. Gerrard looks a shadow of his former self. That leaves you with Barry, who isnt going to inspire the country to their first trophy in decades. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 27, 2012 15:25:50 GMT
Although i'm sure many will disagree with me.
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Post by march4 on May 27, 2012 16:20:50 GMT
Although i'm sure many will disagree with me. Rooney is the wild card for England and if he plays well then England could do better than anticipated. A lot will also depend on our wingers. They need pace to go forwards but also the determination to get back and help out their defenders. I wonder what Roy will say about our poor set plays. If we are to emulate Greece then that part of the game will be crucial. |
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Post by RAF on May 27, 2012 16:23:12 GMT
Although i'm sure many will disagree with me. Rooney is the wild card for England and if he plays well then England could do better than anticipated. A lot will also depend on our wingers. They need pace to go forwards but also the determination to get back and help out their defenders. I wonder what Roy will say about our poor set plays. If we are to emulate Greece then that part of the game will be crucial. I don't see how a natural goalscorer like Rooney playing well could possibly influence England doing well with your applied logic? H |
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Post by luke45 on May 27, 2012 16:23:13 GMT
How the hell was Carroll best player on the pitch? Missed a sitter from 4 yards out with his head. Just because he held it up a few times doesn't mean he's the best on the pitch. If it does then yes we are in the shit. Walters holds it up, but a striker is judged on his finishing. He couldn't finish a wank. Okay then, name me a better performer than Carroll yesterday. To judge his performance on one missed chance is ridiculous to say the least. He played the withdrawn role superbly and worked his socks off. He dominated in the air against a very decent centre-back ( Hangeland ) and he barely wasted possession all evening. England played to his strengths, and he looked a handful. It was Carroll's ability to hold the ball up and bring it under control and feed Young which gained us the goal which won us the game. |
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Post by march4 on May 27, 2012 16:24:21 GMT
Rooney is the wild card for England and if he plays well then England could do better than anticipated. A lot will also depend on our wingers. They need pace to go forwards but also the determination to get back and help out their defenders. I wonder what Roy will say about our poor set plays. If we are to emulate Greece then that part of the game will be crucial. I don't see how a natural goalscorer like Rooney playing well could possibly influence England doing well with your applied logic? H He will be England's Johnny Waters. Goalscoring is optional  |
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Post by RAF on May 27, 2012 16:26:39 GMT
I don't see how a natural goalscorer like Rooney playing well could possibly influence England doing well with your applied logic? H He will be England's Johnny Waters. Goalscoring is optional It's a good job it is optional for Walters as he has opted out nearly all season. H  |
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Post by march4 on May 27, 2012 16:28:45 GMT
He will be England's Johnny Waters. Goalscoring is optional It's a good job it is optional for Walters as he has opted out nearly all season. H Hit the bar yesterday ;D |
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Post by mcfcdavid on May 27, 2012 17:15:49 GMT
AGAIN ! Breathtaking laughable ! just like the last world cup they were saying EXACTLY the same thing HE IS FUCKING USELESS and at Euro level embarrassing ! I rate him as similar to our very own Glenn Whelan and as the song goes : if 'Barry can play for England - so can I' PS NO CROUCH = they can go fuck themselves ! Do you watch Man City? read the sun? listen to Talkshite? Barry's been City's poty.Just because he doesn't go sliding in like De Jong, Make lung bursting runs like Yaya Toure, smash them in like Gerrard doesn't make him "no better than Glenn Whelan" The media go on and on about Parker but I'd choose Barry over him everyday of the week(that's not through blue-tinted glasses, I'd also have Carrick ahead of Parker.) |
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 27, 2012 17:28:23 GMT
AGAIN ! Breathtaking laughable ! just like the last world cup they were saying EXACTLY the same thing HE IS FUCKING USELESS and at Euro level embarrassing ! I rate him as similar to our very own Glenn Whelan and as the song goes : if 'Barry can play for England - so can I' PS NO CROUCH = they can go fuck themselves ! Do you watch Man City? read the sun? listen to Talkshite? Barry's been City's poty.Just because he doesn't go sliding in like De Jong, Make lung bursting runs like Yaya Toure, smash them in like Gerrard doesn't make him "no better than Glenn Whelan" The media go on and on about Parker but I'd choose Barry over him everyday of the week(that's not through blue-tinted glasses, I'd also have Carrick ahead of Parker.) I think part of the problem dave is that Barry has been totally gash every time he's been to the Brit. Utterly awful. He has been better this year for you lot and is key for the system you and England play but there is just something, well, plain dull about his performances I'll accept your judgement on him though.....just don't tell me that James fucking Milner is any good whatsoever though! |
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Post by mcfcdavid on May 27, 2012 18:08:15 GMT
Milner got bought off the back of one season, a decent squad player but nothing else.A slightly better older Henderson.
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Post by sirblogalot on May 27, 2012 18:27:16 GMT
Fuck me....why should England tremble? Is he really the best we've got? Oh shit  |
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Post by french toast on May 27, 2012 18:51:01 GMT
carroll was shit last night FACT
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Post by magliarosa on May 27, 2012 21:20:31 GMT
I was wondering if Crouch is on the backup list should one of our strikers become injured? The best outcome last night would have been Carroll getting stretchered off the field with a debilitating injury. Also Barry isnt good enough and lost the ball too many times last night with simple short sideways passes so him not going wouldn't be the worst news either. Apparently Crouch and Carrick ruled themselves out of the backup list. Whilst I can understand Crouch's anger...the fact is, if Carroll got injured, he'd step into the squad and most likely be straight into the starting line up because Woy prefers a target man. Poor decision by Pete I reckon. Definately a poor decision by Crouch, why rule yourself out of playing for your country, I understand his frustration at not being selected especially when Andy Carroll of all people are selected ahead of him but he may have had an opportunity to prove his worth which to me he doesn't have to prove anyway, his goal scoring record for England is already admirable. |
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Post by bignickhowes on May 27, 2012 21:51:20 GMT
barry has been class for city this season and was quality against man united
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Post by JoeinOz on May 28, 2012 0:11:05 GMT
Both Michael Carrick and Joe Cole should have got a look in.
BYT when we get knocked out don't just look at a few player selections it all goes much deeper than that
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Post by PotterLog on May 28, 2012 0:31:00 GMT
The best English midfielder playing at the moment is Paul Scholes. Which is telling in itself.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 28, 2012 5:25:59 GMT
Scholes current style wouldn't be much uie for England as his colleagues would be too thick to see what he's doing.
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Post by Pricey on May 28, 2012 14:36:39 GMT
One plodder down, a few more to go.
Replaced in the squad by Jagielka.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on May 28, 2012 14:39:32 GMT
Should of put Carrick in there for my money...
England were shit at keeping the ball the other night....Carrick would sort that out.
Glad Barrys out though...mediocre footballer.
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 28, 2012 14:40:08 GMT
One plodder down, a few more to go. Replaced in the squad by Jagielka. Mmm interesting. I think he should have picked another striker really given shrek is missing for 2 games. |
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Post by FullerMagic on May 28, 2012 14:40:59 GMT
With the doubts about Welbeck, I'd have gone with another striker.
But it seems he's happy with the idea of Young or Gerrard playing behind Carroll
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Post by Pricey on May 28, 2012 14:41:40 GMT
He's one of those that are very good in the Premier League but not quite good enough at international level, especially against anyone half-decent. Although that is pretty much my opinion of all our central midfielders apart from Jack Wilshere.
And obviously this means Phil Jones is a lot more likely to feature in midfield.
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Post by stokiedj on May 28, 2012 14:44:42 GMT
Thank f**k for that. Cant wait for wilshere get fit so we can see parker and wilshere in the middle for england, them two would work great together..
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