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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 20, 2012 12:34:25 GMT
Seriously, why are the FA taking so long to appoint a Manager.
Historically they've made some appauling decisions and I don't want to let this cloud things, but why are we still without a Manager?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 12:35:29 GMT
Maybe there aren't any good ones currently available and they're prepared to wait?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 12:38:04 GMT
or maybe because it would be seen as disrespectful to go offering people jobs whilst they're still under contract with another club and the season isn't over yet.
it's more than likely going to be 'Arry they ask (whether people agree with it or not) and he is right in the middle of a bit of a mini-crisis at the moment with Spurs' form and the fact that Newcastle are right up there with them now, he has other things to concentrate on at the moment
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Post by stokeramblers on Apr 20, 2012 12:38:06 GMT
Any other Englishman than Redknapp and the press will kill the chances of the new manager before they even start. If we're going English then it surely has to be 'arry.
I hope he gets it just because I want to see Crouch go to the Euros ;D
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 20, 2012 12:38:30 GMT
I'll take that rob, but don't we have the 2nd most important competition coming up in a matter of weeks?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 12:39:56 GMT
I'll take that rob, but don't we have the 2nd most important competition coming up in a matter of weeks? But one that we'll be going into in pretty bad shape whoever the manager is. It's one we can afford to write off and be 'experimental' with and then get a new manager in place for the serious business of qualifying for Brazil 2014. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 20, 2012 12:39:56 GMT
or maybe because it would be seen as disrespectful to go offering people jobs whilst they're still under contract with another club and the season isn't over yet. it's more than likely going to be 'Arry they ask (whether people agree with it or not) and he is right in the middle of a bit of a mini-crisis at the moment with Spurs' form and the fact that Newcastle are right up there with them now, he has other things to concentrate on at the moment This is football, when did morals and ethics ever come into the issue? |
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Post by exiledstokie on Apr 20, 2012 12:41:16 GMT
Get Hoddle in. Redknapp isn't the man for the job, he doesn't have a plan B, just like TP
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Post by ichabodcheesecake on Apr 20, 2012 12:41:37 GMT
Maybe the FA are waiting for the Krankies to finish their tour.
Might as well give it to them as they'll be home after 3 games anyway
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 12:48:22 GMT
or maybe because it would be seen as disrespectful to go offering people jobs whilst they're still under contract with another club and the season isn't over yet. it's more than likely going to be 'Arry they ask (whether people agree with it or not) and he is right in the middle of a bit of a mini-crisis at the moment with Spurs' form and the fact that Newcastle are right up there with them now, he has other things to concentrate on at the moment This is football, when did morals and ethics ever come into the issue? it's not just a case of morals and ethics it's the fact that the FA would need permission from Spurs to talk to 'Arry and he has already said himself that he hasn't thought about it yet because of the job he still has to do at Spurs (especially now). do you think it's likely that the FA would completely ignore what he's said publicly and hound him anyway causing yet more embarassment to the FA? as RVD points out, this Euro Championship has already been written off by most England fans anyway as regardless to what players we include we don't stand a chance of getting anywhere near the final (i personally think we'll struggle in the group stages). the new manager is NOT being brought in with success this summer in mind, they are being brought in to look towards the World Cup so they do have time to wait to pick the manager.if the manager had been picked as soon as Postman Pat left he still wouldn't have had enough time to get a squad together, working together, playing together in the way he wants anyway. i think anyone who is going into this tournament expecting anything from England needs their head checking. |
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Post by rennes5 on Apr 20, 2012 13:35:32 GMT
+1
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Post by peterthornesboots on Apr 20, 2012 14:02:56 GMT
Who says that Harry wants the job?
It might be that he wants to work on a day to day basis rather than a few weeks a year
It might be that he owes Spurs a bit of loyalty for standing by him during his course case
It might be that Champions League football and the desire to win a domestic trophy will keep him at Spurs
Everyone is assuming that Harry will get the job, so what happens if he doesn't? The media and players like Rooney (who openly announced that he wanted Redknap as the next manager on Twatter) will have dug themselves a giant hole.
I think that the job will go to Hodgson
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Post by rawli on Apr 20, 2012 14:03:54 GMT
It's laughable to believe they haven't talked to Harry or he hasn't even thought about the job.
They pissed about trying not to disrupt Spurs' season. They ended up doing exactly that without the bonus of having a manager in place.
Saying that, I've no idea what an international manager does. Everyone knows who the best 20 or so players are in the country. They just seem to swan around watching endless games before picking the same players as the last manager.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 14:08:17 GMT
Who says that Harry wants the job? It might be that he wants to work on a day to day basis rather than a few weeks a year It might be that he owes Spurs a bit of loyalty for standing by him during his course case It might be that Champions League football and the desire to win a domestic trophy will keep him at Spurs Everyone is assuming that Harry will get the job, so what happens if he doesn't? The media and players like Rooney (who openly announced that he wanted Redknap as the next manager on Twatter) will have dug themselves a giant hole. I think that the job will go to Hodgson A very good question. Harry has in effect painted himself into a corner by undermining previous managers and going on about how any Englishman worth his salt should want the job. Now he's in a position where he's almost got to take it, even though you wouldn't be surprised if he preferred the day to day involvement and wheeling and dealing that comes with club management. |
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Post by Tubes on Apr 20, 2012 14:10:56 GMT
This is football, when did morals and ethics ever come into the issue? it's not just a case of morals and ethics it's the fact that the FA would need permission from Spurs to talk to 'Arry and he has already said himself that he hasn't thought about it yet because of the job he still has to do at Spurs (especially now). do you think it's likely that the FA would completely ignore what he's said publicly and hound him anyway causing yet more embarassment to the FA? as RVD points out, this Euro Championship has already been written off by most England fans anyway as regardless to what players we include we don't stand a chance of getting anywhere near the final (i personally think we'll struggle in the group stages). the new manager is NOT being brought in with success this summer in mind, they are being brought in to look towards the World Cup so they do have time to wait to pick the manager.if the manager had been picked as soon as Postman Pat left he still wouldn't have had enough time to get a squad together, working together, playing together in the way he wants anyway. i think anyone who is going into this tournament expecting anything from England needs their head checking. still, writing off a major championship is a big move, and is only being accepted by the public because we are all pretty sure Harry will be appointed at the end of the season. I'd be quite frankly astonished if the F.A. haven't had some preliminary behind the scenes talks with him |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Apr 20, 2012 14:15:01 GMT
Who says that Harry wants the job? It might be that he wants to work on a day to day basis rather than a few weeks a year It might be that he owes Spurs a bit of loyalty for standing by him during his course case It might be that Champions League football and the desire to win a domestic trophy will keep him at Spurs Everyone is assuming that Harry will get the job, so what happens if he doesn't? The media and players like Rooney (who openly announced that he wanted Redknap as the next manager on Twatter) will have dug themselves a giant hole. I think that the job will go to Hodgson A very good question. Harry has in effect painted himself into a corner by undermining previous managers and going on about how any Englishman worth his salt should want the job. Now he's in a position where he's almost got to take it, even though you wouldn't be surprised if he preferred the day to day involvement and wheeling and dealing that comes with club management. I won't lie Rob, I just don't see the England job as being an attractive proposition at the moment. 1) We have the same, ageing core group of players who have achieved nothing at international level (Terry, Lampard, Gerrard etc) 2) We lack younger players to come in and replace them. Whilst we have some good youngsters there isn a difinitive lack of world class talent 3) The new manager has only a few months to prepare for the upcoming Championships 4) The expectation levels will be ridiculoulsly high from fans and media 5) We simply aren't good enough. There are a number of teams who are twice as good as us. If I was Harry I'd be staying where I was! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 14:28:34 GMT
it's not just a case of morals and ethics it's the fact that the FA would need permission from Spurs to talk to 'Arry and he has already said himself that he hasn't thought about it yet because of the job he still has to do at Spurs (especially now). do you think it's likely that the FA would completely ignore what he's said publicly and hound him anyway causing yet more embarassment to the FA? as RVD points out, this Euro Championship has already been written off by most England fans anyway as regardless to what players we include we don't stand a chance of getting anywhere near the final (i personally think we'll struggle in the group stages). the new manager is NOT being brought in with success this summer in mind, they are being brought in to look towards the World Cup so they do have time to wait to pick the manager.if the manager had been picked as soon as Postman Pat left he still wouldn't have had enough time to get a squad together, working together, playing together in the way he wants anyway. i think anyone who is going into this tournament expecting anything from England needs their head checking. still, writing off a major championship is a big move, and is only being accepted by the public because we are all pretty sure Harry will be appointed at the end of the season. I'd be quite frankly astonished if the F.A. haven't had some preliminary behind the scenes talks with him to be perfectly honest i'd written off any chances for England long before Capello went or the draw was made, we just aren't even close to the standard of a Tournament winning side. peterthornesboots i agree. the FA probably HAVE had a little unofficial tete a tete to sound him out over the idea in principle but obviously there would be no way they would make this public or official because of the jobs that manager's still have to do and are committed to until the end of the season and so the public therefore simply presume nothing has been done. i also agree that it really doesn't look anywhere near as appealing a position as it used to be with an ageing squad and little to replace them apart from players that may have some potential but as yet most are unsure as to whether they will achieve this potential. we don't seem to have any of the kind of "Established" youngsters that foreign teams do (which i believe is probably due to the development of players at a young age in different countries being leagues ahead of our archaic systems...can't believe no-ones ever mentioned that actually  ) and i personally believe it could be a fair few years yet until we get back to a squad even approaching our Euro 96 or even France 98 squads in terms of talent. let's face it, the job is enough of a poisoned chalice at the best of times WITHOUT these factors adding to it. |
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Post by oasis on Apr 20, 2012 15:24:30 GMT
I expect they are waiting for Harry so will announce it at the end of the season.
Not a great deal have been said about the Euros yet and the less media hype the better imo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 15:34:25 GMT
A very good question. Harry has in effect painted himself into a corner by undermining previous managers and going on about how any Englishman worth his salt should want the job. Now he's in a position where he's almost got to take it, even though you wouldn't be surprised if he preferred the day to day involvement and wheeling and dealing that comes with club management. I won't lie Rob, I just don't see the England job as being an attractive proposition at the moment. 1) We have the same, ageing core group of players who have achieved nothing at international level (Terry, Lampard, Gerrard etc) 2) We lack younger players to come in and replace them. Whilst we have some good youngsters there isn a difinitive lack of world class talent 3) The new manager has only a few months to prepare for the upcoming Championships 4) The expectation levels will be ridiculoulsly high from fans and media 5) We simply aren't good enough. There are a number of teams who are twice as good as us. If I was Harry I'd be staying where I was! Absolutely. It's a poisoned chalice and international football in general has declined considerably over the last decade or so. |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 20, 2012 16:05:50 GMT
I'm struggling to understand just who, in their right mind, would want to manage England at the moment. I think both Harry and Woy have better jobs than the England job (all things considered) and just why would any manager who hopes to be successful restrict himself to a 'select' bunch of players that have never looked good enough to beat the best in major competition. Apart from the stupid money the FA seem to pay, I simply fail to see the attraction. Personally, I think Harry would be 'crackers' to leave Spurs for England.
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Post by stokeramblers on Apr 20, 2012 16:20:05 GMT
Get Hoddle in. Redknapp isn't the man for the job, he doesn't have a plan B, just like TP Hoddle's chance has gone. Unless he was particularly good in a past life and will therefore get another shot at the job. The guy is a fruit loop. In fact he probably used to be one in one of his past lives |
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Post by Gods on Apr 20, 2012 16:28:13 GMT
I'd go for Roy Hodgson.
Seems to have a nice blend of experience and common sense.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 16:41:01 GMT
I'd go for Roy Hodgson. Seems to have a nice blend of experience and common sense. Could he handle the media though? Seemed like he struggled with the pressure of the Liverpool job and didn't stick it long at Inter. |
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Apr 20, 2012 20:01:06 GMT
Because they desperately want to absolve of the offence even though every man and his dog know he is as guilty as fuck
SGS
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'I knew a woman once but she died soon afterwards'
) and i personally believe it could be a fair few years yet until we get back to a squad even approaching our Euro 96 or even France 98 squads in terms of talent. let's face it, the job is enough of a poisoned chalice at the best of times WITHOUT these factors adding to it.
