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Post by seddonstandviewer on Apr 6, 2012 12:08:25 GMT
I can't see what the manager has said that is so wrong here.
What he is ultimately saying is, it's no point investing all this money if the club is in the Championship.
Some people need to chill out a little bit.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 6, 2012 12:20:35 GMT
Tony Pulis has been the manager of our football club for ten years. He is not some new through the door manager who is desperately trying to turn around some sort of crisis point and needs to reshape the squad (or shouldnt be). He isnt in the world of many managers where he is living day to day on the next result. He is the very well funded manager of our football club and has been left free to spend many millions of pounds to stabalise and cement our position in the Premier League. We are not little Stoke battling against the odds anymore. We are a football club that has been on the gravy train for four seasons with a fifth one a certainty. We have a very wealthy chairman who has always been prepared to supplement Premier League income with millions of pounds of his money to now make us one of the most financially stable and well funded mid-tier Premier League clubs. Given all that it can be expected our secure as houses manager would feel comfortable with looking on a rather more distant horizon than how much he can blow on transfer fees for experienced workhorses in the summer transfer window. Looking to the longer term future of the football club is the responsibility of the Chairman, the Board and the senior management. Unfortunately we are saddled with a situation where only the directors of the club understand what is required. We are blessed with a manager who has not the vision or capacity to contemplate anything other than getting to forty points by hook and by crook each and every season. His bandwidth thinking and vision is limited to this one goal. At the highest level of football in the country with the fabulous rewards paid to Premier League managers you expect much more breadth and ability. If this latest statement was in isolation then you could dismiss it as being fairly bland. However it is one of a string of words and more importantly actions that tellyou that Tony Pulis has not the intent or capability to take on board what needs to be put into place to safeguard the future of our football club. He makes sure that nothing happens at the Academy without his knowledge and interference and has done so for the last ten years. He has only been excluded from appointing the senior management and coaches on one occasion which saw Steve Holland appointed. Ask Steve Holland how difficult Pulis tried to make that. All other appointments have been Pulis mates and aquaintances. That ten years have yielded Ryan Shotton. A potentially outstanding defender who Pulis claims is a winger. His understanding and commitment to the longer term future of the club has been little more than to give jobs to the Sam's, Aidies and so ons of this world. His latest statement has to be put in the context of his previous treatment of the subject. To not do so is denial. The football club cannot hope to have a long term future at this level operating oin the way it has for the last five years unless it either draws forty thousand crowds every week or it supplements the squad with quality home grow. Does anyone doubt there are top drawer managers and coaches the world over capable of delivering the full top flight package you would expect at Premier League level who would knock St Peter's door down to work with the advantages Tony Pulis has. It is about the club not slavish devotion to a manager. It's quite obvious that TP is not your favorite manager of Stoke by reading most of your posts which almost always find criticism on what ever he says or does. To comment that he signs and blows money on experienced work horses.Crouch ,Palacios and Jerome were his last signings ,I think they are not what you infer! The main reason that we are able to reinvest in players and the club in general is the longevity of our stay in the Premiership and the confidence the board must have in the future short and long term Any leader of a business or football club needs people around him who trust his judgement ,he obviously feels comfortable with Kemp ,Francis and Connor and they do with him This year he has played Wilkinson and Shotton regularly despite this message board demanding Pennant to play ,you cannot have it both ways The future of Stoke is so good yet many on this board continue to knock the management at every opportunity.Things are so much better now than 10 years ago ,I'm sure a trophy will be ours in the next few years and more trips to Europe Wigan was diabolical and players and management let us down but lets get back on track tomorrow Ill do you the courtesy of talking about the points you raise instead of discussing my opinion on your posting history. Palacios and Jerome are players used less than sparingly this season. Add to that the Upsons and Woodgates (they seem to have slipped your net for some reason) of this world that is an awful lot more spent on squad players than is being invested in getting the vital Grade 1 status for the Academy that if used correctly will be of infinate greater value than all of those players stuck together. Shotton is a player utilised out of position to suite a defensive mindset that the manager was prepared to let go last summer. However in fairness he is used. Wilkinson is a player Pulis released previously but was brought back in the summer he was sacked by another manager who inherited the short sighted shambles left behind that meant he couldnt put eleven players on the pitch! He is a player used as last resort at right back despite being just about the only right back at the club. Not quite the ringing endorsement you pretend these two are of our Tones commitment. The main reason we have been able to net invest the huge amounts we have in our squad way beyond clubs with far more years on Premier League income such as Everton, Fullham and Aston Villa is everything to do with the deep pockets of the Chairman. Our wage bill sees off a substantial amount of our income. Kemp ,Francis and Connor have little or nothing to do with the Academy. I have no idea why you referenced them. I was talking about people brought in to develop young players not people who operate as first team coaches in shape sessions run by the manager. You may have noticed that most of our first team are experienced pros requiring little development coaching? The future of Stoke as a club operating as a Premier League club depends on getting the development of gifted younger players right unless you are advocating spending beyond our means forever? I happen to think this manager has demonstrated he does not understand this and/or has not the capability. Some folk on this board clearly do not agree with this, you included. I dont see any evidence to the contrary being presented. Its not about one sound bite from one article. There is a track record here.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 6, 2012 12:25:13 GMT
I dont think that this means he is unhappy as such but it does raise a long term issue for the club. If you have a good youth academy you need to give youth a chance and TP is not that type of manager, much more preferring the safety of experience and what he knows . The two simply dont fit together long term unless TP is prepared to change TP has brought through Wilko and Shotts. Who else is there? I asked a question an hour ago and no one has answered it yet. How many current Prem players were in the Academy at SCFC? Given that Tony Pulis has had complete and utter control over every decision made at the Academy for the last ten years, who are you blaming for this failure, you Pulis hating twat? ;D
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Post by foster on Apr 6, 2012 12:37:22 GMT
I dont think that this means he is unhappy as such but it does raise a long term issue for the club. If you have a good youth academy you need to give youth a chance and TP is not that type of manager, much more preferring the safety of experience and what he knows . The two simply dont fit together long term unless TP is prepared to change TP has brought through Wilko and Shotts. Who else is there? I asked a question an hour ago and no one has answered it yet.How many current Prem players were in the Academy at SCFC?
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Post by djh on Apr 6, 2012 12:37:43 GMT
Pulis could have funded the whole project himself by not signing Jerome in the summer. He clearly doesn't rate him too highly so why bother to sign him? The answer of course is because he could. Hopefully that will be about to change and he'll have to start earning his money like others have too instead of pinching a living with a huge transfer budget and dinosaur football.
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Post by french toast on Apr 6, 2012 12:51:58 GMT
people will expect this to be finished and then pulis bringing the youths into the first team next season.......it will take around 6 years before we see the benefit of the acadamy
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Post by french toast on Apr 6, 2012 12:56:01 GMT
10 years hes been the manager, yes thats great but in the beginning years he had no funds to even build the squad let alone finances to start any plans to invest in youths. its only been the last 5 years where he has had the backing, lets not forget that. in 4 years time we can start to moan about his inabilty to bring youth through cant we? not now
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Post by foster on Apr 6, 2012 12:58:47 GMT
10 years hes been the manager, yes thats great but in the beginning years he had no funds to even build the squad let alone finances to start any plans to invest in youths. its only been the last 5 years where he has had the backing, lets not forget that. in 4 years time we can start to moan about his inabilty to bring youth through cant we? not now 4 years?... More like 6-8 I reckon. Supposed to be a 3 year project setting up this academy isn't it? During and after which we can start poaching 12-15 year olds, then develop them for a few years before selling them to Barca.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 6, 2012 12:59:11 GMT
The fact is the figures don't really add up for any club do they. The amount spent across the game on youth development has gone up by, what, a factor of a hundred over the past 20 years? Yet the players coming out of the end patently haven't improved a jot.
I'm all for becoming self sufficient - and the feeling when a local lad 'does it' is most definitely special - but pumping money into the same old failing system with better pitches and better bogs sounds like lunacy to me.
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Post by kilgore on Apr 6, 2012 12:59:31 GMT
Silly whoever questioned bringing in Professional coaches when we can have ex-players on the books who could be willing to working within the best interests of our club, coaching the academy. (after serving us for 5-7 years). Younger players will regard them on a more personal level. Im only saying this because PNE (local team) who i've seen a few times this season before Westley took over, had David Unsworth and Graham Alexander in charge of bringing the younger talent through and they were highly regarded, With bringing players up to the first team standard.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 6, 2012 13:01:10 GMT
people will expect this to be finished and then pulis bringing the youths into the first team next season.......it will take around 6 years before we see the benefit of the acadamy At least that I would say FT. The neglect and mismanagement has been so deep rooted by people who should have never been near Academy football that the majority of the U18s has been made up of rejects from other clubs and expensive lads from abroad. The depth of category A potential players in the younger age groups means that will continue for some time. Steve Holland in the short time he was here cleared out literally scores of lads no where near the mark because he had to. it starts at under nine recruitment. Id say we are ten years away from anything meaningful. The process has to be put right now and bollocks to bleating about a trifle £6m the manager can and does waste on squad fringe players on a regular basis.
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Post by foster on Apr 6, 2012 13:03:46 GMT
The fact is the figures don't really add up for any club do they. The amount spent across the game on youth development has gone up by, what, a factor of a hundred over the past 20 years? Yet the players coming out of the end patently haven't improved a jot. I'm all for becoming self sufficient - and the feeling when a local lad 'does it' is most definitely special - but pumping money into the same old failing system with better pitches and better bogs sounds like lunacy to me. The system has changed though. One main item of which is the maximum cost of a youth player - think it will be about 150k, whereas currently no limit exists. Being one of the elite should allow us to cherry pick from the lower leagues and lower half Prem teams. I think that if we get the right backroom staff in, someone with a lot of youth experience and contacts, that this could work out really well for us. 6m well spent IMO, and it also adds value to the club in the event that one day PC wants to cash in.
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Post by Do it for dobing on Apr 6, 2012 13:09:10 GMT
It's quite obvious that TP is not your favorite manager of Stoke by reading most of your posts which almost always find criticism on what ever he says or does. To comment that he signs and blows money on experienced work horses.Crouch ,Palacios and Jerome were his last signings ,I think they are not what you infer! The main reason that we are able to reinvest in players and the club in general is the longevity of our stay in the Premiership and the confidence the board must have in the future short and long term Any leader of a business or football club needs people around him who trust his judgement ,he obviously feels comfortable with Kemp ,Francis and Connor and they do with him This year he has played Wilkinson and Shotton regularly despite this message board demanding Pennant to play ,you cannot have it both ways The future of Stoke is so good yet many on this board continue to knock the management at every opportunity.Things are so much better now than 10 years ago ,I'm sure a trophy will be ours in the next few years and more trips to Europe Wigan was diabolical and players and management let us down but lets get back on track tomorrow Ill do you the courtesy of talking about the points you raise instead of discussing my opinion on your posting history. Palacios and Jerome are players used less than sparingly this season. Add to that the Upsons and Woodgates (they seem to have slipped your net for some reason) of this world that is an awful lot more spent on squad players than is being invested in getting the vital Grade 1 status for the Academy that if used correctly will be of infinate greater value than all of those players stuck together. Shotton is a player utilised out of position to suite a defensive mindset that the manager was prepared to let go last summer. However in fairness he is used. Wilkinson is a player Pulis released previously but was brought back in the summer he was sacked by another manager who inherited the short sighted shambles left behind that meant he couldnt put eleven players on the pitch! He is a player used as last resort at right back despite being just about the only right back at the club. Not quite the ringing endorsement you pretend these two are of our Tones commitment. The main reason we have been able to net invest the huge amounts we have in our squad way beyond clubs with far more years on Premier League income such as Everton, Fullham and Aston Villa is everything to do with the deep pockets of the Chairman. Our wage bill sees off a substantial amount of our income. Kemp ,Francis and Connor have little or nothing to do with the Academy. I have no idea why you referenced them. I was talking about people brought in to develop young players not people who operate as first team coaches in shape sessions run by the manager. You may have noticed that most of our first team are experienced pros requiring little development coaching? The future of Stoke as a club operating as a Premier League club depends on getting the development of gifted younger players right unless you are advocating spending beyond our means forever? I happen to think this manager has demonstrated he does not understand this and/or has not the capability. Some folk on this board clearly do not agree with this, you included. I dont see any evidence to the contrary being presented. Its not about one sound bite from one article. There is a track record Your first premise is that Pulis is against the academy ,he hasn't said so .What he is asking for is funds to spend on the squad this summer as well.
I take it you don't trust him at all with any money and want another manager now, who can bring in better players and a better system of playing
That's your opinion and one day a new manager will come but while we have TP we may occasionally give him the benefit of the doubt. As it appears the chairman has done up to now and win that trophy that has eluded us since 1972.He has got us closer than anyone else in the last 40 years .
I found it difficult to understand why you seem have no faith at all in the present manager and are cynical to almost everything he says.There are better managers out there ,while we have him support him
The reason I mentioned there names Kemp etc was that who ever is in the academy the manager should be comfortable with as he is with the present staff just a style of management
Upson and Woodgate we didn't spend large transfer fees on that was the reason I didn't mention them.I don't think they are terrible additions to the squad
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 6, 2012 13:11:51 GMT
Hasn't the system also changed to allow big clubs to cherry pick the best youngsters for a fixed fee.
Like I say, we're not getting better players than Andy Griffin through 20 years on, despite massive investment.
I understand why we don't want to be left out of being a Premier Academy or whatever its called but I remain sceptical that it will improve things and even more secptical of its good for the game as a whole.
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Post by french toast on Apr 6, 2012 13:20:00 GMT
people will expect this to be finished and then pulis bringing the youths into the first team next season.......it will take around 6 years before we see the benefit of the acadamy At least that I would say FT. The neglect and mismanagement has been so deep rooted by people who should have never been near Academy football that the majority of the U18s has been made up of rejects from other clubs and expensive lads from abroad. The depth of category A potential players in the younger age groups means that will continue for some time. Steve Holland in the short time he was here cleared out literally scores of lads no where near the mark because he had to. it starts at under nine recruitment. Id say we are ten years away from anything meaningful. The process has to be put right now and bollocks to bleating about a trifle £6m the manager can and does waste on squad fringe players on a regular basis. thats fair enough but i think many are misreading tony's thoughts on this, he just wants to make sure we have a stable club runing forward including the academy.....but he is also warning that if we dont have investment in the first team we wont have a premiership club for the academy to thrive anyway.......whether or not you think tony has been wasteful in the market.....player age and in ten years we will have gone though an awful lot of players as will any manager and that clearly needs backing. it frustrates me on here over the last 12 months, there just isnt any middle ground with many previously great posters. its either pulisis a twat its his fault or pulis is immense look what hes done for us. in reality pulis has done a decent job in getting us where we are and is taking baby steps into improving our club on a day by day basis. wopuld a differant manager have done better or worse? who can say, im pleased with tony and yes he has his flaws but he does more right than wrong imho.
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Post by knowingeye on Apr 6, 2012 13:26:33 GMT
At least that I would say FT. The neglect and mismanagement has been so deep rooted by people who should have never been near Academy football that the majority of the U18s has been made up of rejects from other clubs and expensive lads from abroad. The depth of category A potential players in the younger age groups means that will continue for some time. Steve Holland in the short time he was here cleared out literally scores of lads no where near the mark because he had to. it starts at under nine recruitment. Id say we are ten years away from anything meaningful. The process has to be put right now and bollocks to bleating about a trifle £6m the manager can and does waste on squad fringe players on a regular basis. thats fair enough but i think many are misreading tony's thoughts on this, he just wants to make sure we have a stable club runing forward including the academy.....but he is also warning that if we dont have investment in the first team we wont have a premiership club for the academy to thrive anyway.......whether or not you think tony has been wasteful in the market.....player age and in ten years we will have gone though an awful lot of players as will any manager and that clearly needs backing. it frustrates me on here over the last 12 months, there just isnt any middle ground with many previously great posters. its either pulisis a twat its his fault or pulis is immense look what hes done for us. in reality pulis has done a decent job in getting us where we are and is taking baby steps into improving our club on a day by day basis. wopuld a differant manager have done better or worse? who can say, im pleased with tony and yes he has his flaws but he does more right than wrong imho. Has TP done a great job with the budget he's had getting promotion and keeping Stoke City in the Premier League? Yes. Is TP the right manager to enable good long term development of youth development in the Academy for Stoke City? No.
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Post by djh on Apr 6, 2012 13:26:49 GMT
It's quite obvious that TP is not your favorite manager of Stoke by reading most of your posts which almost always find criticism on what ever he says or does. To comment that he signs and blows money on experienced work horses.Crouch ,Palacios and Jerome were his last signings ,I think they are not what you infer! The main reason that we are able to reinvest in players and the club in general is the longevity of our stay in the Premiership and the confidence the board must have in the future short and long term Any leader of a business or football club needs people around him who trust his judgement ,he obviously feels comfortable with Kemp ,Francis and Connor and they do with him This year he has played Wilkinson and Shotton regularly despite this message board demanding Pennant to play ,you cannot have it both ways The future of Stoke is so good yet many on this board continue to knock the management at every opportunity.Things are so much better now than 10 years ago ,I'm sure a trophy will be ours in the next few years and more trips to Europe Wigan was diabolical and players and management let us down but lets get back on track tomorrow Ill do you the courtesy of talking about the points you raise instead of discussing my opinion on your posting history. Palacios and Jerome are players used less than sparingly this season. Add to that the Upsons and Woodgates (they seem to have slipped your net for some reason) of this world that is an awful lot more spent on squad players than is being invested in getting the vital Grade 1 status for the Academy that if used correctly will be of infinate greater value than all of those players stuck together. Shotton is a player utilised out of position to suite a defensive mindset that the manager was prepared to let go last summer. However in fairness he is used. Wilkinson is a player Pulis released previously but was brought back in the summer he was sacked by another manager who inherited the short sighted shambles left behind that meant he couldnt put eleven players on the pitch! He is a player used as last resort at right back despite being just about the only right back at the club. Not quite the ringing endorsement you pretend these two are of our Tones commitment. The main reason we have been able to net invest the huge amounts we have in our squad way beyond clubs with far more years on Premier League income such as Everton, Fullham and Aston Villa is everything to do with the deep pockets of the Chairman. Our wage bill sees off a substantial amount of our income. Kemp ,Francis and Connor have little or nothing to do with the Academy. I have no idea why you referenced them. I was talking about people brought in to develop young players not people who operate as first team coaches in shape sessions run by the manager. You may have noticed that most of our first team are experienced pros requiring little development coaching? The future of Stoke as a club operating as a Premier League club depends on getting the development of gifted younger players right unless you are advocating spending beyond our means forever? I happen to think this manager has demonstrated he does not understand this and/or has not the capability. Some folk on this board clearly do not agree with this, you included. I dont see any evidence to the contrary being presented. Its not about one sound bite from one article. There is a track record Your first premise is that Pulis is against the academy ,he hasn't said so .What he is asking for is funds to spend on the squad this summer as well.
I take it you don't trust him at all with any money and want another manager now, who can bring in better players and a better system of playing
That's your opinion and one day a new manager will come but while we have TP we may occasionally give him the benefit of the doubt. As it appears the chairman has done up to now and win that trophy that has eluded us since 1972.He has got us closer than anyone else in the last 40 years .
I found it difficult to understand why you seem have no faith at all in the present manager and are cynical to almost everything he says.There are better managers out there ,while we have him support him
The reason I mentioned there names Kemp etc was that who ever is in the academy the manager should be comfortable with as he is with the present staff just a style of management
Upson and Woodgate we didn't spend large transfer fees on that was the reason I didn't mention them.I don't think they are terrible additions to the squad
Pulis shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the academy. Just what could youth delelopment learn from the prime exponent of anti-football?
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Post by foster on Apr 6, 2012 13:29:06 GMT
Hasn't the system also changed to allow big clubs to cherry pick the best youngsters for a fixed fee. Like I say, we're not getting better players than Andy Griffin through 20 years on, despite massive investment. I understand why we don't want to be left out of being a Premier Academy or whatever its called but I remain sceptical that it will improve things and even more secptical of its good for the game as a whole. We'll be one of the few 'big' clubs though, so I would rather the club invest in this now, rather than get left behind. It may not be good for the game, but not much is nowadays. I think the clubs right to invest in the infrastructure and look to the long term rather than spending 6m on player that may only last 2 or 3 years before retiring. If all goes to plan I wouldn't be surprised if we manage to attract some good European youth players as well.
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Post by padders01 on Apr 6, 2012 13:32:08 GMT
I dont think that this means he is unhappy as such but it does raise a long term issue for the club. If you have a good youth academy you need to give youth a chance and TP is not that type of manager, much more preferring the safety of experience and what he knows . The two simply dont fit together long term unless TP is prepared to change TP has brought through Wilko and Shotts. Who else is there? I asked a question an hour ago and no one has answered it yet. How many current Prem players were in the Academy at SCFC? March this has to be the most stupid question I've seen on here for years! The Academy hasn't produced any decent players but we were in the third tier of English football and not paying any attention to it only 10 years ago. Academy's don't bring success over night, they take years Man City are one if the richest clubs in the world, has their academy produced any decent players recently? I can think of one, Micah Richards
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Post by knowingeye on Apr 6, 2012 13:32:31 GMT
If all goes to plan I wouldn't be surprised if we manage to attract some good European youth players as well. "Pulis said new Academy facilities at the club's Clayton Wood training complex should give Stoke rich pickings among the region's best young talent."
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Post by foster on Apr 6, 2012 13:36:10 GMT
If all goes to plan I wouldn't be surprised if we manage to attract some good European youth players as well. "Pulis said new Academy facilities at the club's Clayton Wood training complex should give Stoke rich pickings among the region's best young talent." Don't really care what Pulis says there. We brought in Arismendi and Cuvelier from abroad. and who's to say that a) Pulis will be in charge of youth development, and b) that he'll even be here in a few years time.
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Post by french toast on Apr 6, 2012 13:38:46 GMT
thats fair enough but i think many are misreading tony's thoughts on this, he just wants to make sure we have a stable club runing forward including the academy.....but he is also warning that if we dont have investment in the first team we wont have a premiership club for the academy to thrive anyway.......whether or not you think tony has been wasteful in the market.....player age and in ten years we will have gone though an awful lot of players as will any manager and that clearly needs backing. it frustrates me on here over the last 12 months, there just isnt any middle ground with many previously great posters. its either pulisis a twat its his fault or pulis is immense look what hes done for us. in reality pulis has done a decent job in getting us where we are and is taking baby steps into improving our club on a day by day basis. wopuld a differant manager have done better or worse? who can say, im pleased with tony and yes he has his flaws but he does more right than wrong imho. Has TP done a great job with the budget he's had getting promotion and keeping Stoke City in the Premier League? Yes. Is TP the right manager to enable good long term development of youth development in the Academy for Stoke City? No. you clearly miss my point......pulis wont be incharge of this, and pulis will have left by the time we see any fruits anyway.
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Post by yogibear78 on Apr 6, 2012 13:42:00 GMT
Pulis ought to have faith in the ones he's got instead of spend spend spend all the time, who does he think he is, Gok Wan?
Cuvelier, Arisdmendi, Palacios, Pennant, Wilson is a cable midfielder.
I hope he's got nothing to spend, he's had enough, we DON't look any better for it on the pitch.
Plough it into the academy Mr Coates and get a man who will use it, David Moyes.
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Post by Kingswaystokie on Apr 6, 2012 13:42:06 GMT
Very interesting debate this one, without wishing to change track too much I think we ought to put this season into perspective in terms of whether we are making progress, and this I say in response to TP's statement regarding the front of house being put in order.
He has already invested heavily at the front of the house, we are in the top 10 in the Premier in terms of money spent on players and some would question whether all of it has been well spent. TP constantly talks about how well this season has gone, I would tend to disagree, we qualified for Europe last season and whilst not denying we had a good run in Europe, our opposition in the early stages were not that good. We also reached the quarter finals of the FA cup, the teams we beat to get there i.e. Gillingham, Derby and Crawley were teams we expected to beat. As regards the league I don't see any progress, we have lost too many winnable games at home, our current league position is no better than previous seasons.
Is a new Academy going to make a difference, certainly not short term, so therefore we do need to invest heavily to ensure some progress next season, in that respect TP is right, however do we continue to trust his judgement in bringing in the right players.
I'm really not sure about that.
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Post by french toast on Apr 6, 2012 13:43:53 GMT
Pulis ought to have faith in the ones he's got instead of spend spend spend all the time, who does he think he is, Gok Wan? Cuvelier, Arisdmendi, Palacios, Pennant, Wilson is a cable midfielder. I hope he's got nothing to spend, he's had enough, we DON't look any better for it on the pitch. Plough it into the academy Mr Coates and get a man who will use it, David Moyes. there is no standing still in football, if you try you end up going backwards.
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Post by yogibear78 on Apr 6, 2012 13:44:58 GMT
I'd say the single word 'but' gives him away Would you rather he said: Investing 6 million pounds in the academy is fantastic, in fact, let's just fuck off the first team altogether. No, I'd prefer him to have a strop and fuck off, he clearly doesn't give a fuck about the long term future of the club, he's about the here and now because he won't be getting his wages off us in 10 years.
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Post by foster on Apr 6, 2012 13:47:59 GMT
I see this investment as progress. Even if its doesn't yield any players for a few years, it certainly adds value to the club.
Any infrastructure development is a good thing imo, and to be honest I'm not convinced about Tones spending ability so I'm glad that the money hasn't been wasted.
The academy requires annual investment (2.5m approx) and I think about 18 staff members, so it should be taken seriously if we want to secure 'Elite' status.
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Post by french toast on Apr 6, 2012 13:48:25 GMT
Would you rather he said: Investing 6 million pounds in the academy is fantastic, in fact, let's just fuck off the first team altogether. No, I'd prefer him to have a strop and fuck off, he clearly doesn't give a fuck about the long term future of the club, he's about the here and now because he won't be getting his wages off us in 10 years. are you for real? ive heard alot of shit on this messageboard but this is well ahead of the chasing pack.
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Post by stonecoldstokie on Apr 6, 2012 13:50:08 GMT
Mr Puils seems to think he has some sort of control at the club. I remember him saying he only wanted a very basic training ground and nothing fancy, it's a good job Peter doesn't allow Tony to control everything because 10 years from now it won't matter what Tony did and didn't want at the time. Good for you Peter
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Post by yogibear78 on Apr 6, 2012 13:50:11 GMT
Pulis ought to have faith in the ones he's got instead of spend spend spend all the time, who does he think he is, Gok Wan? Cuvelier, Arisdmendi, Palacios, Pennant, Wilson is a cable midfielder. I hope he's got nothing to spend, he's had enough, we DON't look any better for it on the pitch. Plough it into the academy Mr Coates and get a man who will use it, David Moyes. there is no standing still in football, if you try you end up going backwards. No standing still? He's just bought Palacios for £8Million, loaned Arismendi out, sold a cabale 3rd winger in Marshall for Peanuts, has a cabale midfielder at left back and this season has played Rory, Salif, Whealan and Whitehead there instead. If that isn't standing still I don't know what is.
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