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Post by stokecitydom on Mar 21, 2012 22:11:55 GMT
Another 90 mins where Walters never looks like scoring. Where as Jerome yet again scored even though he was playing out of position.
Taking into account what Jerome said today (I know it usually makes things worse with TP) and that he took Jerome off, maybe Tone has pencilled in Jerome to start on Saturday.
Deserves a run of 5 or so games to see what he can do.
We can dream...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2012 22:14:10 GMT
Saturday has to be
Bego Wilko huth Ryan Wilson Pennant palacios whelan/whitehead ethers Crouch jerome
Performances tonight have picked the team for pulis, if he gets the team sheet wrong Saturday I give up I really do
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 21, 2012 22:14:44 GMT
I've no idea what the guy has got to do to earn himself a start, much more of a threat than a flacid Walters.
He's quick, seems to be a bit of a poacher judging by his goal tonight and his workrate was brilliant tonight.
So expect to see Walters and Crouch again Saturday.
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Post by jarhead on Mar 21, 2012 22:15:28 GMT
He has to start sat over thee inept Walters but he probably wont.
To take him off for Rory was simply wrong and it said to spurs come on then come at us at will lads!!!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 21, 2012 22:16:08 GMT
Saturday has to be Bego Wilko huth Ryan Wilson Pennant palacios whelan/whitehead ethers Crouch jerome Performances tonight have picked the team for pulis, if he gets the team sheet wrong Saturday I give up I really do Pretty much agree, mate although I don't think we'll get two starts in 4 days out of Palacios.
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Post by sargestokie on Mar 21, 2012 22:16:29 GMT
Here's hoping Tony finally sees that we are better team with pennant and Jerome in the side. Shotton and Walters will still probably end up playing on Saturday though
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Mar 21, 2012 22:18:57 GMT
Walters is undroppable...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2012 22:19:38 GMT
True jamo, and probably against man city it might be better stick with whelan and whitehead. But the most important thing is we at our two wingers and crouch and jerome. Im convinced we will turn them over saturday
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2012 22:20:24 GMT
Against man city I'm afraid he will go with shotton and Walters but hope he actually goes with pennant and jerome but I can't see no Walters v city
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Post by manchesterpotter on Mar 21, 2012 22:22:09 GMT
Walters shouldn't even get into a Championship side at the moment. Jerome has done very well in his short time at the Club.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 21, 2012 22:24:12 GMT
True jamo, and probably against man city it might be better stick with whelan and whitehead. But the most important thing is we at our two wingers and crouch and jerome. Im convinced we will turn them over saturday The quartet you mention are vital to our hopes. We need to occupy Citeh's half and cause them problems as well as defend stoutly.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Mar 21, 2012 22:26:08 GMT
I thought Walters was better tonight - there was more support and interplay and first 20 mins especially was excellent passage of play - a bit hit and miss afterwards but it showed what we are capable of.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Mar 22, 2012 8:18:33 GMT
I admire the shift that Walters puts in but for me it's not enough as being a striker means you need to score goals and he isn't doing that right now.
Jerome has done what he has been asked to everytime he has run on that pitch yet Pulis deems a seemingly knackered Walters as a better goal threat alongside Crouch.
I'd love to see Jerome get a chance upfront, Ive been crying it for ages but until Pulis get's over this raging hard on he has for Walters I fear it could be a while until we see a change.
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Post by jeycov on Mar 22, 2012 10:24:57 GMT
Just watched the rerun on match choice and listening to TPs interview, when questioned about how well Jerome played, his immediate response was "well Matty was injured so couldn't play"!!!!
Doesn't look too hopeful that either Jerome will start or Walters rested.
Jerome does need to show everyone just what he can achieve for a few games, especially against the top teams in our upcoming fixtures.
We should get above 40 pints and this should be an excellent chance to let such players prove themselves, especially at Home!
Hope so
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Post by manchesterpotter on Mar 22, 2012 10:34:31 GMT
I feel sorry for the lad. And I'll be very surprised if he gets a start on Saturday.
His form from late December to late January was very good; scoring 4 goals in 5 games, but that still wasn't enough to get a start up front with Crouch.
Yet another bizarre bit of management.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Mar 22, 2012 10:42:40 GMT
Just watched the rerun on match choice and listening to TPs interview, when questioned about how well Jerome played, his immediate response was "well Matty was injured so couldn't play"!!!! Doesn't look too hopeful that either Jerome will start or Walters rested. Jerome does need to show everyone just what he can achieve for a few games, especially against the top teams in our upcoming fixtures. We should get above 40 pints and this should be an excellent chance to let such players prove themselves, especially at Home! Hope so We all know Pulis though. I have never known anyone answer a question by going round the houses as much as he does. Never will you get a straight to the point answer from our Tone. Jerome has to start on Sat though. Would like to see Whelan/Whitehead in the middle as well. Think Whitehead has done well in the last few games.
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Post by worcsstokie15 on Mar 22, 2012 11:38:37 GMT
Walters will start. I imagine TP will want him stopping Barry/Yaya Toure from feeding the likes of Silva, Tevez etc.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 22, 2012 11:42:13 GMT
If there was ever a match where Walters ia nailed-on to start, you'd think it's Saturday.
Against a big boy, he'll be naturally cautious - and with their extra man in midfield, especially when it's someone as dangerous as Silva pulling the strings, you wouldn't think it'd be this game where anything will change up front.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2012 11:44:13 GMT
I think Walters should start, Jerome's qualities would be wasted in the hole.
I'd play Cameron instead of Matty.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Mar 22, 2012 11:44:58 GMT
I think Jerome is wasted on the flank.
We need the pace up top.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2012 11:46:49 GMT
I think Jerome is wasted on the flank. We need the pace up top. So you'd have Crouch closing down Toure then?
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Post by superjonnywalters on Mar 22, 2012 11:50:36 GMT
Crouch covers more ground than you think.
We definitely need to give Crouch and Jerome a go.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2012 12:00:37 GMT
If we're going to get anything on Saturday, then one of the principal tactics will be to stop Citeh getting anything going from the back - there's not a cat in hells chance that Peter Crouch is the man to perform that role. I couldn't really put it any better than MD has here: Our system has always relied on a deep lying striker, though.
It's always happened while TP's been manager. The Mama role was as much about the work he did when the opposition had the ball as it was about him flicking on the long balls in the direction of Fuller.
His once superhuman stamina and work rate (sadly dented by his injuries) made him excellent at it. The downfall for scores of Mama replacements has been them not putting in the appropriate shift when the opposition have the ball.
Further anecdotal evidence comes in the unlikely form of Paul Scholes. He controlled our previous encounters with Manchester United until last year. Before, he was able to just set up on the halfway line and spray passes all over the pitch. Put simply, he is the single best footballer I have seen since promotion. Last season, Walters was put on the pitch with only one job - man mark Paul Scholes out of the game. Watch the game again and you'll see that's exactly what he did. Scholes was unable to influence the game because Walters was sitting deep, following him around everywhere and stopping him from playing. It's what the job entails.
I mean if you really want proof of it that's more fresh in the memory, look at the Norwich game. We had Jones and Jerome up front. Neither one was willing to do the work when the opposition had the ball, so what happened? They advanced up the pitch, grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck and began to play in our half. We had to change to that 4-5-1 and put Etherington in the middle because neither Jones nor Jerome was willing to get back and stop them building their attacks. That's why I think that Jerome will, from now on, be best utilised on the wing, while Walters continues in the deep role because he's absolutely made for it.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Mar 22, 2012 12:24:24 GMT
I’d just keep it as simple as possible. I’ve never been a fan of square pegs in round holes (i.e. forwards playing on the wing).
If Ethers is fit I’d stick him on the left, drop Walters to the bench and start Jerome and Crouch up front.
Hopefully the pace from Jerome and the skill and intelligence of Crouch would cause the Man City defence problems and give us some joy in getting at them.
It’s a no brainer for me. Jerome now has 7 for the season from very limited opportunities. He carries much more of a goal threat than Walters so to stick him out on the left would just be a waste.
We need our 2 main goal threats up top.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2012 12:29:14 GMT
Fair do's.
Personally I think Tone's system completely revolves around having the man in the hole and especially when playing a side like Man Citeh.
Mystical Descent's example above, I think is a good one.
Each to their own though.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Mar 22, 2012 12:31:44 GMT
I just prefer to see us go out and the game plan being "lets try and cause them a problem or 2", like we did last night against Spurs.
Especially when we are at home.
We should never set up with the sole intention of stopping the opposition from playing. Even if it is Man City.
If we are at home we should be looking to cause them problems and most importantly, score goals.
I'm not that fussed if he goes KJ and Jerome although my preference would definitely be Crouch with Jerome.
As long as Walters is given a rest and its Jerome with one of the other 2, I'll be happy.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 22, 2012 12:32:11 GMT
Saturday has to be Bego Wilko huth Ryan Wilson Pennant palacios whelan/whitehead ethers Crouch jerome Performances tonight have picked the team for pulis, if he gets the team sheet wrong Saturday I give up I really do Agree with your line up there, I think Whitehead would be best next to WP as I think it's best to have someone to do the running for him.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 22, 2012 12:33:04 GMT
Paul Spencer in wanting Crouch dropped on Saturday shock
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Post by foster on Mar 22, 2012 12:35:08 GMT
Same starting team as last night will do me - Walters, CJ and Crouch to start.
If we sit back we'll get pummelled.
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Post by foster on Mar 22, 2012 12:38:30 GMT
I'd start Crouch, I don't think any of our strikers stand much chance against Man City's defence anyway.
Sounds defeatist but their defence is formidable in pretty much every way. Both strong physically and quick. Someone with a bit of height and technical ability might cause them problems.
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