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Post by Dutchpeter on Mar 11, 2012 17:30:07 GMT
Heavy subject. Historians and sociologists say it was a cross roads, between old Britain and the future. I miss the old values of the past, and I think Thatcher AND Scargill are equally at blame for the mess that followed. What do u guys think?
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Post by mistersausage on Mar 11, 2012 18:06:53 GMT
Heavy subject. Historians and sociologists say it was a cross roads, between old Britain and the future. I miss the old values of the past, and I think Thatcher AND Scargill are equally at blame for the mess that followed. What do you guys think? Thatcher forced her idealistic changes on the country and fucked it right up. Scargill, although in the main was proved right, made it easy for her through the way he acted. She did more long term damage to this country than that done during the war. I loathe the evil fucking harridan and will dance a merry jig when her death rattle passes her lips. Cameron too is attempting to force through similar idealistic changes, which are made in a way that is almost impossible to reverse as they well know. Bastards all of them, and you could include Tony Bliar in that too unfortunately The materialistic, selfish and narcissistic egotism which is so prevalent in todays society can be traced back to Thatcherism. Fucking cow.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Mar 11, 2012 20:41:45 GMT
Oh yeh. Sorry. Just to add. No middle class or university wankers to respond, cos there were no consequences for you.
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Post by wembley4372 on Mar 12, 2012 10:55:18 GMT
Sheer stupidity.
What did Scargill expect to happen when you try to bring down a government?
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Post by frasier99 on Mar 12, 2012 11:51:10 GMT
he was a weak moron
an old lady wiped the floor with him ;D
God bless our Maggie
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Post by jpm64 on Mar 15, 2012 9:02:39 GMT
he was a weak moron an old lady wiped the floor with him ;D God bless our Maggie Nice to see you find the destruction of communities a laughing matter Like has been said Scargill was proved right but made some serious mistakes during the strike. He would have won a ballot had he gone for one and that was the stick he was beaten with. Thatcher was an evil bitch she set the trap and Scarghill walked in to it. Try reading Marching to the fault line for a good balanced history of the strike www.francisbeckett.co.uk/books/6-marching-to-the-fault-line.html
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Mar 15, 2012 9:24:01 GMT
I'd just started at Hem Heath when they went on strike. To save crossing the picket lines and getting my head kicked in I fucked off and got another job.
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Post by dexter97 on Mar 15, 2012 9:48:03 GMT
Oh yeh. Sorry. Just to add. No middle class or university wankers to respond, cos there were no consequences for you. With respect, bollocks. The miners' strike was part of Th***er's strategy to destroy manufacturing industry in this country and replace it with banks and services. It now accounts for just 10% of our GDP (just about the lowest of all the major economies), which means we have little opportunity to manufacture our way out of recession. I'd say the consequences were quite far-reaching.
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Post by mcf on Mar 15, 2012 10:07:40 GMT
how much was coal mining making us then?
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Post by digger on Mar 15, 2012 10:08:31 GMT
he was a weak moron an old lady wiped the floor with him ;D God bless our Maggie she fucked a lot of good working men, i will not shed a tear when the cow is dead
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Post by digger on Mar 15, 2012 10:12:38 GMT
how much was coal mining making us then?[/quote how much did it cost to shut them
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Post by mcf on Mar 15, 2012 10:15:16 GMT
i take it you don't know then
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Post by digger on Mar 15, 2012 10:26:00 GMT
i take it you don't know then take it you dont then
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Post by dexter97 on Mar 15, 2012 12:51:39 GMT
how much was coal mining making us then? Not an entirely irrelevant question, as there's no doubt that the mining industry's inefficiency and reliance on subsidies needed to be addressed. However, it's a question that massively over-simplifies the issue, ignoring the longer-term consequences (and costs) of its annihilation, and reflects the view, which Th****er herself promoted, that everything is about profit. The main point though is that the miners' strike was being orchestrated three or four years before it happened, and it was always about far more than the cost of digging coal out of the ground. However, I have neither the time nor the inclination to get embroiled in a lengthy debate about something so complex and emotive, so I'll leave you chaps to it.
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 15, 2012 17:42:31 GMT
he was a weak moron an old lady wiped the floor with him ;D God bless our Maggie yeah , her a few thousand soldiers dressed up like the police . Thatcher set out to destroy her own class's power base ( i.e. the unions ) because she'd been indoctrinated by her grammar school education and had subsequently learnt to hate her own people . Like all working class Tories who think they're better than their peers and cannot see the society game for what it really is . Her and her type were the beginning of a very selfish attitude to personal betterment........... there is no society .....remember? Apparently she almost lost against the miners and it was a very bad day indeed when she finally won .
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Post by mistersausage on Mar 15, 2012 20:51:47 GMT
he was a weak moron an old lady wiped the floor with him ;D God bless our Maggie yeah , her a few thousand soldiers dressed up like the police . Thatcher set out to destroy her own class's power base ( i.e. the unions ) because she'd been indoctrinated by her grammar school education and had subsequently learnt to hate her own people . Like all working class Tories who think they're better than their peers and cannot see the society game for what it really is . Her and her type were the beginning of a very selfish attitude to personal betterment........... there is no society .....remember? Apparently she almost lost against the miners and it was a very bad day indeed when she finally won . Excellent post. A friend of mine was a Police Officer at the time and was so disgusted that he left and joined of all things .... The Hong Kong Police ;D Decent bloke though.
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Post by stokemark on Mar 15, 2012 21:25:00 GMT
Whilst both Scargill and Thatcher were guilty of waging war over people livelihoods I am continually astounded that people from Stoke on Trent took and can take pleasure in seeing and knowing that one of our major local industries was decimated as a result.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 21:46:52 GMT
he was a weak moron an old lady wiped the floor with him ;D God bless our Maggie yeah , her a few thousand soldiers dressed up like the police . Thatcher set out to destroy her own class's power base ( i.e. the unions ) because she'd been indoctrinated by her grammar school education and had subsequently learnt to hate her own people . Like all working class Tories who think they're better than their peers and cannot see the society game for what it really is . Her and her type were the beginning of a very selfish attitude to personal betterment........... there is no society .....remember? Apparently she almost lost against the miners and it was a very bad day indeed when she finally won . Fucking stroll on. Coal in the 80s....They couldn't give it away nevermind sell it. At Florence they were digging up that much coal, no one wanted it and were paid excellent wages... But a very dangerous job so glad pits are a thing of the past.....Right where's me thermostat!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 21:56:30 GMT
Oh yeh. Sorry. Just to add. No middle class or university wankers to respond, cos there were no consequences for you. With respect, bollocks. The miners' strike was part of Th***er's strategy to destroy manufacturing industry in this country and replace it with banks and services. It now accounts for just 10% of our GDP (just about the lowest of all the major economies), which means we have little opportunity to manufacture our way out of recession. I'd say the consequences were quite far-reaching. Please can we go back to the 1970s We made loads of things....Not very good at it and we loved strikes then
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 15, 2012 22:00:15 GMT
yeah , her a few thousand soldiers dressed up like the police . Thatcher set out to destroy her own class's power base ( i.e. the unions ) because she'd been indoctrinated by her grammar school education and had subsequently learnt to hate her own people . Like all working class Tories who think they're better than their peers and cannot see the society game for what it really is . Her and her type were the beginning of a very selfish attitude to personal betterment........... there is no society .....remember? Apparently she almost lost against the miners and it was a very bad day indeed when she finally won . Fucking stroll on. Coal in the 80s....They couldn't give it away nevermind sell it. At Florence they were digging up that much coal, no one wanted it and were paid excellent wages... But a very dangerous job so glad pits are a thing of the past.....Right where's me thermostat! "fucking stroll on " hmmm reasoned debate , I see Has that temperature of yours gone down yet or is that missing thermostat issue a permanent thing with you ? It's easy to take one bit of information out of context and then run with it when you're not thinking clearly because of illness I guess . Still maybe an early night will help with your disposition .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 22:24:05 GMT
Fucking stroll on. Coal in the 80s....They couldn't give it away nevermind sell it. At Florence they were digging up that much coal, no one wanted it and were paid excellent wages... But a very dangerous job so glad pits are a thing of the past.....Right where's me thermostat! "fucking stroll on " hmmm reasoned debate , I see Has that temperature of yours gone down yet or is that missing thermostat issue a permanent thing with you ? It's easy to take one bit of information out of context and then run with it when you're not thinking clearly because of illness I guess . Still maybe an early night will help with your disposition . That's the sort of answer I expect from Sif....You're not Sif's brother are you ???
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Post by dexter97 on Mar 15, 2012 23:19:56 GMT
With respect, bollocks. The miners' strike was part of Th***er's strategy to destroy manufacturing industry in this country and replace it with banks and services. It now accounts for just 10% of our GDP (just about the lowest of all the major economies), which means we have little opportunity to manufacture our way out of recession. I'd say the consequences were quite far-reaching. Please can we go back to the 1970s We made loads of things....Not very good at it and we loved strikes then So the best way to sort out the problems in British industry was to expunge it from the economy?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 23:31:30 GMT
Please can we go back to the 1970s We made loads of things....Not very good at it and we loved strikes then So the best way to sort out the problems in British industry was to expunge it from the economy? I think you're missing the point. New plant been built in Wolverhampton. Toyota doing well. Nissan, Bentley, Jaguar, BMW investment in the UK now. We have the skills in this country....And would you buy a Rover? No wonder it went bump!
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Post by dexter97 on Mar 15, 2012 23:45:36 GMT
If all of this inward investment in the motor industry is going to take manufacturing back up towards 25% of GDP (as it was then, and as it still is in Germany), then yes, I've missed something.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 0:12:34 GMT
If all of this inward investment in the motor industry is going to take manufacturing back up towards 25% of GDP (as it was then, and as it still is in Germany), then yes, I've missed something. Still good news about the British car industry. Pity Rover are not still going....I wonder why? And back to the fucking miners. It went bump because no one was buying coal, it was a very dangerous job, gas is easier and I can switch my heating on with a switch.... And you can still buy coal, just in case you forgot
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 0:18:32 GMT
If all of this inward investment in the motor industry is going to take manufacturing back up towards 25% of GDP (as it was then, and as it still is in Germany), then yes, I've missed something. Still good news about the British car industry. Pity Rover are not still going....I wonder why? And back to the fucking miners. It went bump because no one was buying coal, it was a very dangerous job, gas is easier and I can switch my heating on with a switch.... And you can still buy coal, just in case you forgot Mmm.....I would buy a new gas fire if I was you..
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Post by frasier99 on Mar 16, 2012 0:25:58 GMT
he was a weak moron an old lady wiped the floor with him ;D God bless our Maggie she fucked a lot of good working men, i will not shed a tear when the cow is dead She fcuked a lot of idle, skiving bastards, off money for nothing jobs when i started in the building trade after school my mate got straight in at hem heath because his dad worked there Loved to rub it in how he was getting double me for just training He used to piss the lot away down the pub every night with his fat bastard father talking about how they did fuck all all day while someone kept watch and there were a lot that did the same fuck me, most had big round bellies down hemheath Then came the day of strikes lend us a tenner...lend us a tenner....i wanted to say get a proper job... ...£300 he owed me by the end of the strike He got a great pay off though for a young'n 20k Never saw my £300 or the cunt ever again i tar them all with the same brush ;D over paid piss artists
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Post by rhodesy on Mar 16, 2012 0:52:47 GMT
Oh yeh. Sorry. Just to add. No middle class or university wankers to respond, cos there were no consequences for you.
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Post by rhodesy on Mar 16, 2012 0:57:34 GMT
she fucked a lot of good working men, i will not shed a tear when the cow is dead She fcuked a lot of idle, skiving bastards, off money for nothing jobs when i started in the building trade after school my mate got straight in at hem heath because his dad worked there Loved to rub it in how he was getting double me for just training He used to piss the lot away down the pub every night with his fat bastard father talking about how they did fuck all all day while someone kept watch and there were a lot that did the same fuck me, most had big round bellies down hemheath Then came the day of strikes lend us a tenner...lend us a tenner....i wanted to say get a proper job... ...£300 he owed me by the end of the strike He got a great pay off though for a young'n 20k Never saw my £300 or the cunt ever again i tar them all with the same brush ;D over paid piss artists That's strange, I was always under the impression from this board that all working class people work really hard and only get shit jobs like going down the mine and on the dole because the government has failed them? The Socialists have us believe that all the working class are grafters and that the middle classes are just born with it all given to them and that when they get a job they don't work at all for their money and that it's so unfair that even though they worked really hard in their education (while their 'working class' counterparts were getting aled up) that they get paid so much more.
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Post by rhodesy on Mar 16, 2012 0:59:36 GMT
So the best way to sort out the problems in British industry was to expunge it from the economy? I think you're missing the point. New plant been built in Wolverhampton. Toyota doing well. Nissan, Bentley, Jaguar, BMW investment in the UK now. We have the skills in this country....And would you buy a Rover? No wonder it went bump! www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17353024
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