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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 7, 2012 13:44:52 GMT
Pulis will leave stoke one day and I wonder what the situation will be when it happens?
It always seems like a overreaction when posting negaitive points of view after a loss. But I'm starting to wonder what it would be like to have a fresh approach, a different playing style.
Pulis has done a fantastic job, no one can argue this, however his style of play is always a bone of contention. Being in the premiership is great but I'd like to see a different blueprint, some creative play and a positive game plan. Dare I say I'm willing to see this change at the risk of Premiership status? I think so.
I disagreed with Tony's post match comments on Saturday, for me it smacked of trying to deflect his own short comings. It's not all about Saturday's game, Pulis's tactics have always raised doubt. Are we happy to continue like this? We have progressed massively, but where are we going and is it right to want more?
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 7, 2012 14:05:58 GMT
Pulis will leave stoke one day and I wonder what the situation will be when it happens? It always seems like a overreaction when posting negaitive points of view after a loss. But I'm starting to wonder what it would be like to have a fresh approach, a different playing style. Pulis has done a fantastic job, no one can argue this, however his style of play is always a bone of contention. Being in the premiership is great but I'd like to see a different blueprint, some creative play and a positive game plan. Dare I say I'm willing to see this change at the risk of Premiership status? I think so. I disagreed with Tony's post match comments on Saturday, for me it smacked of trying to deflect his own short comings. It's not all about Saturday's game, Pulis's tactics have always raised doubt. Are we happy to continue like this? We have progressed massively, but where are we going and is it right to want more? Good Post. Personally I would like to see David Moyes as our manager after this season. I'm sure that given the right "package" from Sir Peter of Kidsgrove we could tempt him down here. Pulis is on a one year rolling contract so compensation wouldn't be too much of an issue. |
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Post by baystokie on Feb 7, 2012 15:22:38 GMT
Pulis will leave stoke one day and I wonder what the situation will be when it happens? It always seems like a overreaction when posting negaitive points of view after a loss. But I'm starting to wonder what it would be like to have a fresh approach, a different playing style. Pulis has done a fantastic job, no one can argue this, however his style of play is always a bone of contention. Being in the premiership is great but I'd like to see a different blueprint, some creative play and a positive game plan. Dare I say I'm willing to see this change at the risk of Premiership status? I think so. I disagreed with Tony's post match comments on Saturday, for me it smacked of trying to deflect his own short comings. It's not all about Saturday's game, Pulis's tactics have always raised doubt. Are we happy to continue like this? We have progressed massively, but where are we going and is it right to want more? Good Post. Personally I would like to see David Moyes as our manager after this season. I'm sure that given the right "package" from Sir Peter of Kidsgrove we could tempt him down here. Pulis is on a one year rolling contract so compensation wouldn't be too much of an issue. Compensation is probably already factored into the accounts as 'future expenditure'. What could/will be a stumbling block for PC and/or his heirs is te massive cost of changing the playing personnel to fit in with the new manager's gameplan/organisation. The new man will almost certainly(?) not be a TP-clone so the playing blueprint/strategy/tactics will vary considerably. Not sure how many of the current 25 + fringe will fit into this 'new world' hence potential fortune required to change. As an additional item - backroom staff are also likely to be subject to extensive turnround. Hope that when it happens (as it will whether in the near or far distant future) that we have the same level of financial backing - not sure it could be done if we become 'self-sufficient' |
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Post by ruts66 on Feb 7, 2012 15:26:59 GMT
Despite our progress and achievements under TP I seriously yearn for the occasional sweeping move and edge-of-the-seat excitement.
It's been a while...
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Post by Gods on Feb 7, 2012 15:27:17 GMT
I would imagine PC's faith in TP has never been higher and the prospects of a change of manager are as close to zero as makes no difference.
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Post by frasier99 on Feb 7, 2012 15:34:11 GMT
Good post but, i agree with Gods and, although i hate to say it, we have to accept that Uncle Peter knows best  Are we happy to continue like this? - Not happy but, no choice Where are we going? -  To sleep is it right to want more? - yes, never stagnate |
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Post by realstokebloke on Feb 7, 2012 15:37:52 GMT
I would imagine PC's faith in TP has never been higher and the prospects of a change of manager are as close to zero as makes no difference.
The moot point is more pertinently: can we ever expect a (real) change in the manager - in terms fo style / approach?
When, if ever, will this "push-on / next stage" stuff (& players) kick in?
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Post by ruts66 on Feb 7, 2012 15:45:46 GMT
A full season without the distraction of European football would determine whether we can really 'push on' in the Prem.
I guess we'll find out by the end of the 2012/13 season...
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Post by BristolMick on Feb 7, 2012 15:49:51 GMT
I want to see something different than the negative, ultra cautious, war game that we have now.
It had seemed to be evolving into something much better at the end of last season but the "style" of play and the stupid unnecessary experiments with "square pegs, and round holes" is as bad as it has ever been under Pulis.
I would like the manager to change, to evolve the style as he promised us he would when we became established and could buy better quality players.
If he can't or wont change, I would like to see him changed and someone brought in who isn't going to continually carp on about how not so long ago we were in the third tier or stuggling in the championship to remind us about how great we should think they are!
We need a manager who deals in the here and now ( a well run and financed organisation that has managed to spend vast sums on transfers and contracts) and the future (grows the supporter base by playing exciting and adventurous football and at least nods in the direction of home grown talent).
I am completely and utterly fed up with the negative dross that the manager sees fit to serve us with now, and has the temerity to suggest that we should be grateful to him for it!
Change or go!
BM
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Post by swampmongrel on Feb 7, 2012 16:00:38 GMT
Good Post. Personally I would like to see David Moyes as our manager after this season. I'm sure that given the right "package" from Sir Peter of Kidsgrove we could tempt him down here. Pulis is on a one year rolling contract so compensation wouldn't be too much of an issue. Compensation is probably already factored into the accounts as 'future expenditure'. What could/will be a stumbling block for PC and/or his heirs is te massive cost of changing the playing personnel to fit in with the new manager's gameplan/organisation. The new man will almost certainly(?) not be a TP-clone so the playing blueprint/strategy/tactics will vary considerably. Not sure how many of the current 25 + fringe will fit into this 'new world' hence potential fortune required to change.As an additional item - backroom staff are also likely to be subject to extensive turnround. Hope that when it happens (as it will whether in the near or far distant future) that we have the same level of financial backing - not sure it could be done if we become 'self-sufficient' I think this point is overplayed. First, while the new man wouldn't be a TP clone I wouldn't expect Coates to appoint an ideologue manager such as Rodgers, any new appointment would be a pragmatist in the Moyes or O'Neil mould. Second, I think you're underestimating the quality of the squad. To adopt a more expansive style I think a new man wouldn't need to change anything too radically. He'd probably want to look at bringing in 1 or 2 CM's who are more comfortable outside of 'the cage' and he may want his full backs to be more composed going forward. Other than those positions I think our squad has enough quality to adapt to a more expansive style. I personally think this is something TP can eventually evolve towards himself and I'm not really bothered how long it takes him to do it. |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 7, 2012 19:02:53 GMT
Compensation is probably already factored into the accounts as 'future expenditure'. What could/will be a stumbling block for PC and/or his heirs is te massive cost of changing the playing personnel to fit in with the new manager's gameplan/organisation. The new man will almost certainly(?) not be a TP-clone so the playing blueprint/strategy/tactics will vary considerably. Not sure how many of the current 25 + fringe will fit into this 'new world' hence potential fortune required to change.As an additional item - backroom staff are also likely to be subject to extensive turnround. Hope that when it happens (as it will whether in the near or far distant future) that we have the same level of financial backing - not sure it could be done if we become 'self-sufficient' I think this point is overplayed. First, while the new man wouldn't be a TP clone I wouldn't expect Coates to appoint an ideologue manager such as Rodgers, any new appointment would be a pragmatist in the Moyes or O'Neil mould. Second, I think you're underestimating the quality of the squad. To adopt a more expansive style I think a new man wouldn't need to change anything too radically. He'd probably want to look at bringing in 1 or 2 CM's who are more comfortable outside of 'the cage' and he may want his full backs to be more composed going forward. Other than those positions I think our squad has enough quality to adapt to a more expansive style. I personally think this is something TP can eventually evolve towards himself and I'm not really bothered how long it takes him to do it. I did actually think that TP could evolve into a forward thinking , progressive manager who would start playing some proper football. I was wrong. |
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Post by BristolMick on Feb 7, 2012 19:21:21 GMT
I did actually think that TP could evolve into a forward thinking , progressive manager who would start playing some proper football. I was wrong. He promised us that he would though didn't he? BM |
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 7, 2012 19:24:41 GMT
I did actually think that TP could evolve into a forward thinking , progressive manager who would start playing some proper football. I was wrong. He promised us that he would though didn't he? BM maybe he was being ironical ;D ;D |
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Post by march4 on Feb 7, 2012 19:37:54 GMT
What is all this crap about 'proper' football.
Is Wenger posting on here now?
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 7, 2012 19:41:18 GMT
"I disagreed with Tony's post match comments on Saturday, for me it smacked of trying to deflect his own short comings"
Spot chuffing on mate. As sure as death and taxes, it's NEVER TP's fault.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 7, 2012 19:46:45 GMT
Pulis will leave stoke one day and I wonder what the situation will be when it happens? It always seems like a overreaction when posting negaitive points of view after a loss. But I'm starting to wonder what it would be like to have a fresh approach, a different playing style. Pulis has done a fantastic job, no one can argue this, however his style of play is always a bone of contention. Being in the premiership is great but I'd like to see a different blueprint, some creative play and a positive game plan. Dare I say I'm willing to see this change at the risk of Premiership status? I think so. Fabulous post. You took the words right out of my mouth. I would risk premier status for better footy. Getting very bored... I disagreed with Tony's post match comments on Saturday, for me it smacked of trying to deflect his own short comings. It's not all about Saturday's game, Pulis's tactics have always raised doubt. Are we happy to continue like this? We have progressed massively, but where are we going and is it right to want more? |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 7, 2012 19:49:35 GMT
You took the words right out of my mouth. I would risk premier status for better footy. Getting very bored ....
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Post by digger on Feb 7, 2012 19:53:37 GMT
"I disagreed with Tony's post match comments on Saturday, for me it smacked of trying to deflect his own short comings" Spot chuffing on mate. As sure as death and taxes, it's NEVER TP's fault. you disagree with anything and everything that TP does |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 7, 2012 20:18:23 GMT
You took the words right out of my mouth. I would risk premier status for better footy. Getting very bored .... Very interesting comment that fish... How many people would RISK Premiership football for better football.?? I think I would at this moment. |
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Post by march4 on Feb 7, 2012 20:32:14 GMT
You took the words right out of my mouth. I would risk premier status for better footy. Getting very bored .... Very interesting comment that fish... How many people would RISK Premiership football for better football.?? I think I would at this moment. Yes, Mr Wenger, of course! |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 7, 2012 20:37:45 GMT
Very interesting comment that fish... How many people would RISK Premiership football for better football.?? I think I would at this moment. Yes, Mr Wenger, of course! More like John Rudge actually  Thinking about it Rudgey used to advocate an entertaining expansive game.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2012 20:39:09 GMT
You took the words right out of my mouth. I would risk premier status for better footy. Getting very bored .... Very interesting comment that fish... How many people would RISK Premiership football for better football.?? I think I would at this moment. We wouldnt need to risk it, because we'd stay up. It wouldnt stop us getting the odd dicking here and there, and we'd probably lose a few by three goals at home now and then, but likewise we'd win more by two and three goals, and have something to celebrate every so often at the big away games. I think with the same squad, we probably wouldnt be far off where we are now. I'm fed up of setting up the same at home against wigan than we do away at liverpool. fed up of thinking at away games 'lets hope its still 0-0 at half time and then see what we can do in the second half' Wigan have got exactly the same record (apart from they've conceded one more goal I think) as we have away at the traditional top 4. so by being more adventurous, at least trying to impose yourself on them, doesnt apparently make you any more or less twattable when averaged out. We're not the new boys, the underdogs, the favourites to go down. we've got a bloody good squad capable of causing some damage. but they arent given the opportunity. we've shown on the odd occassion here and there, that we can really batter teams to submission playing some good football. but Pulis is refusing to do it. we've no reason to be scared anymore. At least...lets give it a go eh? |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 7, 2012 20:42:59 GMT
Very interesting comment that fish... How many people would RISK Premiership football for better football.?? I think I would at this moment. We wouldnt need to risk it, because we'd stay up. It wouldnt stop us getting the odd dicking here and there, and we'd probably lose a few by three goals at home now and then, but likewise we'd win more by two and three goals, and have something to celebrate every so often at the big away games. I think with the same squad, we probably wouldnt be far off where we are now. I'm fed up of setting up the same at home against wigan than we do away at liverpool. fed up of thinking at away games 'lets hope its still 0-0 at half time and then see what we can do in the second half' Wigan have got exactly the same record (apart from they've conceded one more goal I think) as we have away at the traditional top 4. so by being more adventurous, at least trying to impose yourself on them, doesnt apparently make you any more or less twattable when averaged out. We're not the new boys, the underdogs, the favourites to go down. we've got a bloody good squad capable of causing some damage. but they arent given the opportunity. we've shown on the odd occassion here and there, that we can really batter teams to submission playing some good football. but Pulis is refusing to do it. we've no reason to be scared anymore. At least...lets give it a go eh? Bob-on matey !!! |
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Post by RAF on Feb 7, 2012 20:51:30 GMT
When Pulis leaves we will get relegated no matter what manager we get and no matter how much money he is given
We will become Charlton and we will deserve what we have got for ever questioning TP ever.
H
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Post by jonah77 on Feb 7, 2012 21:13:29 GMT
When Pulis leaves we will get relegated no matter what manager we get and no matter how much money he is given We will become Charlton and we will deserve what we have got for ever questioning TP ever. H this is totally true. all this talk of "pushing on" and"the next level" are a load of bollocks.there is no next level.premier league stability is what stokies have been begging for for years and now we seem to have it people are whining about how we do it. get a grip and appreciate what we have,while we have it. |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 7, 2012 21:19:29 GMT
When Pulis leaves we will get relegated no matter what manager we get and no matter how much money he is given We will become Charlton and we will deserve what we have got for ever questioning TP ever. H this is totally true. all this talk of "pushing on" and"the next level" are a load of bollocks.there is no next level.premier league stability is what stokies have been begging for for years and now we seem to have it people are whining about how we do it. get a grip and appreciate what we have,while we have it. "get a grip" That's it.... that's what I need ... to stop me falling off my seat after I've fell asleep with mind-numbingly, crushing boredom. cheers matey |
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Post by stokie25 on Feb 7, 2012 21:20:26 GMT
When Pulis leaves we will get relegated no matter what manager we get and no matter how much money he is given We will become Charlton and we will deserve what we have got for ever questioning TP ever. H Because there is no other manager on earth who could squeeze players into the positions he does, leave qualified players out of the team altogether and fail to read the game ... like TP does. I actually feel sorry in advance for any manager responsible for mopping up at SCFC....Every poster on here is right! Nobody can keep us up other than TP because no other manager would try and work with our current 25! Nobody is bigger than this club...remember Tone? |
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 7, 2012 21:25:50 GMT
Most of whats going on in football these days is the media and this love affair with Barcelona and the way they play.
Thats Spain but this is England and we have always played a certain style of football.
For every one team that plays like Barcelona there is 100's that don't so why don't the media fuck off with the comparison every weekend to them!
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Post by Fred Ferret on Feb 7, 2012 21:27:57 GMT
Personally, I think last season's FA Cup run, the total destruction of Bolton and the exciting Europa group stage spectacle - will represent the zenith of Pulis' reign. He will do well to emulate 2011 again.
I doubt we will attract anyone better than TP - but I would swap him for David Moyes if it were possible.
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Post by stokie25 on Feb 7, 2012 21:28:26 GMT
We know we aren't Barca, squeekster. We really do, but we're hardly Grimsby town in terms of performance these days. The media are just a boil on the arse of what we supporters are coming to realise! Sad but true |
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