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Post by devonstokie on Jan 17, 2012 8:01:36 GMT
Can remember growing up on the Boothen you'd hear differrent names banded about like these men were warriors, one man armies who'd take on thousands of men armed with knives and machetes it all let to their infamy, you'd hear about Stoke lads like Coddy Hughes, Miffer, TJ, Zigger etc plus fellas from other teams like Babs, Mickey Greenaway and Hicky at Chelsea, Cass and hello my name is Bill Gardener from W Ham, a Millwall fella with a hook, Denton at Arsenal, Scarrot at Forest etc etc people would be clammering up to have a go at these mythical men, did any of these fellas actually live up to their expectations or was it a load of myth? Some are almost like celebs now!
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Post by cmc89 on Jan 17, 2012 8:33:27 GMT
Days of football that I'm glad are long gone mate.
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Post by stokey spoon on Jan 17, 2012 9:19:40 GMT
I grew up on the boothen end! Only ever saw 2 pissed old men shouting things that only made sense to them and one bloke who clearly had anger management problems!!!!!!
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Post by jeycov on Jan 17, 2012 9:21:22 GMT
Yes I remember one frightening occasion when we played Nottingham Forest. 70s
I think it was a game during the Christmas period.
Fans were barely 6 feet apart on the Boothen end, divided by a few policemen. It was an era when it seemed fashionable to throw coins mainly pennies.
One of their infamous fans got hit straight between the eyes there was blood everywhere! He was led away for treatment swearing and threatening anyone and everyone who was a Stoke supporter
In contrast we travelled to the Millenium stadium for the play off final , chatting and sharing memories with a good selection of Brentford fans. Similarly with both Bolton then Man City fans from Wembley in 2011.
Let's hope that football is the winner encouraging the next generation of fans to want to watch the games
Hope those days are behind us as.
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Post by Bick on Jan 17, 2012 9:24:12 GMT
Hope those days are behind us as. this |
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Post by stokey spoon on Jan 17, 2012 9:29:07 GMT
Does anybody remember Grimsby away years ago! Their lot were throwing coins at us, we then managed to break down the fencing and ive never seen so many fans run out of a ground so quickly!!
It was quite a sight, a few months later at our place we sung "whats it like to run at home" to about 10 of them!
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Post by Gods on Jan 17, 2012 9:39:45 GMT
Cass and hello my name is Bill Gardener from W Ham, A slight aside I know but Bill Gardener was in my lounge room not long ago. He now fits patios and came around to supply an estimate  |
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Jan 17, 2012 13:24:25 GMT
Wolves had a girl, Tina, who used to run with their Temple Street mob.
Remember seeing her getting stuck in along Lonsdale Street after the game mid 70's.
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Post by manchesterpotter on Jan 17, 2012 13:25:25 GMT
Cass and hello my name is Bill Gardener from W Ham, A slight aside I know but Bill Gardener was in my lounge room not long ago. He now fits patios and came around to supply an estimate Shouldn't he have been in your garden?  |
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Post by armitagestokie on Jan 17, 2012 15:51:51 GMT
Heard of some of them, be careful "Don't take the myth!"
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Post by Gods on Jan 17, 2012 16:25:52 GMT
A slight aside I know but Bill Gardener was in my lounge room not long ago. He now fits patios and came around to supply an estimate Shouldn't he have been in your garden? HaHa! He started off in my garden but I invited him indoors to draw up the estimate, which I didn't ulimately accept. I think Bill was described as the "rock on which we stood" in Cass's book on the West Ham Inter City Firm. It was only afterwards I realised who he was and that there was a copy of the Oatcake fanzine on the coffee table. I'm confident I could have taken him out with the TV remote if anything had kicked off  ;D |
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Post by staffsvilla on Jan 17, 2012 17:11:37 GMT
Can remember growing up on the Boothen you'd hear differrent names banded about like these men were warriors, one man armies who'd take on thousands of men armed with knives and machetes it all let to their infamy, you'd hear about Stoke lads like Coddy Hughes, Miffer, TJ, Zigger etc plus fellas from other teams like Babs, Mickey Greenaway and Hicky at Chelsea, Cass and hello my name is Bill Gardener from W Ham, a Millwall fella with a hook, Denton at Arsenal, Scarrot at Forest etc etc people would be clammering up to have a go at these mythical men, did any of these fellas actually live up to their expectations or was it a load of myth? Some are almost like celebs now! who's been reading the llg board then |
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Post by manchesterpotter on Jan 17, 2012 17:15:47 GMT
Shouldn't he have been in your garden? HaHa! He started off in my garden but I invited him indoors to draw up the estimate, which I didn't ulimately accept. I think Bill was described as the "rock on which we stood" in Cass's book on the West Ham Inter City Firm. It was only afterwards I realised who he was and that there was a copy of the Oatcake fanzine on the coffee table. I'm confident I could have taken him out with the TV remote if anything had kicked off ;D One to tell the grandchildren, mate: "I once said no to West Ham's top boy!" |
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Post by cobham on May 29, 2015 18:15:15 GMT
About the Chelsea boys you listed, Greenaway wasn't a fighter. He was more an organiser and singer. A true terrace legend but not in the way the others you listed were. He had an amazingly loud voice and would lead off chants (famously 'zigger-zagger' but I don't want to get into the argument of who was first him or your bloke). He was a Chelsea nut through and through, had been a ball boy in 54/55 when we won the League, started the supporters club and used to arrange the special trains through his contacts at work. Also was instrumental in getting the south end of the ground christened as the Shed (though it was actually Cliff Webb's suggestion as far as I know) and getting the singers to congregate there. He was so famous (in London at least) other fans would call him out during matches ("Greenaway where are you?" Usually met with a zigger-zagger). A very important fan in Chelsea's history, no doubt about it, one of our greats. Unfortunately he got stitched up by the press in the 80s, painted as some kind of hooligan general and I believe he lost his job on the trains because of it. Ended up in ill health dying in poverty in 1999 buried in a pauper's grave. Personally I think it was real shame he didn't live to see us win the CL, he would have loved that but at least he got to see the Cup win in 97 breaking our 26 year drought. I last saw him at Leeds in 96, the same season, so I presume he made it to the Cup Final. I hope so.
Babs and Hicky definitely lived up to their reputations. Babs was a very game gentleman. Hicky had great charisma, a great leader. Both still show up from time to time for 'important' matches but Hicky less so as he lives in the Philippines. Also, you missed one of ours from the 'good old days' which was Danny 'Eccles' Harkins, he still goes too.
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Post by stokemark on May 29, 2015 21:03:20 GMT
About the Chelsea boys you listed, Greenaway wasn't a fighter. He was more an organiser and singer. A true terrace legend but not in the way the others you listed were. He had an amazingly loud voice and would lead off chants (famously 'zigger-zagger' but I don't want to get into the argument of who was first him or your bloke). He was a Chelsea nut through and through, had been a ball boy in 54/55 when we won the League, started the supporters club and used to arrange the special trains through his contacts at work. Also was instrumental in getting the south end of the ground christened as the Shed (though it was actually Cliff Webb's suggestion as far as I know) and getting the singers to congregate there. He was so famous (in London at least) other fans would call him out during matches ("Greenaway where are you?" Usually met with a zigger-zagger). A very important fan in Chelsea's history, no doubt about it, one of our greats. Unfortunately he got stitched up by the press in the 80s, painted as some kind of hooligan general and I believe he lost his job on the trains because of it. Ended up in ill health dying in poverty in 1999 buried in a pauper's grave. Personally I think it was real shame he didn't live to see us win the CL, he would have loved that but at least he got to see the Cup win in 97 breaking our 26 year drought. I last saw him at Leeds in 96, the same season, so I presume he made it to the Cup Final. I hope so. Babs and Hicky definitely lived up to their reputations. Babs was a very game gentleman. Hicky had great charisma, a great leader. Both still show up from time to time for 'important' matches but Hicky less so as he lives in the Philippines. Also, you missed one of ours from the 'good old days' which was Danny 'Eccles' Harkins, he still goes too. Do you know Steve Toombs ? he is an old mate of mine |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 21:53:46 GMT
In the book Naughty forty -there's a picture of a scary fella called 'Tony The axeman Smith' who, got his nickname for
'undisclosed reasons'
scary - very scary
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Post by stokemark on May 29, 2015 21:58:27 GMT
In the book Naughty forty -there's a picture of a scary fella called 'Tony The axeman Smith' who, got his nickname for 'undisclosed reasons' scary - very scary Tony Gray mate |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 22:11:06 GMT
In the book Naughty forty -there's a picture of a scary fella called 'Tony The axeman Smith' who, got his nickname for 'undisclosed reasons' scary - very scary Can't be that scarey he's only 3 foot! Cracking bloke though is tony |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 22:43:17 GMT
In the book Naughty forty -there's a picture of a scary fella called 'Tony The axeman Smith' who, got his nickname for 'undisclosed reasons' scary - very scary Wild days and nights. Jasper is a reformed character these day, although I always really liked him anyway. Even when he was a bit naughty, he was always a genuinely decent fella. |
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Post by hanibal7 on May 30, 2015 3:22:12 GMT
Nobody mentioned Kenny Franklin????, then Melvin and Ray
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Post by roostershair on May 30, 2015 6:44:34 GMT
I remember being chucked through a chippy window in Elland road in the late 60s, getting bricked on our PMT bus at Everton, left in a remote pub on the way back from Sheffield because we wrecked the bus, the driver said we could go for a drink and drove off. It's only when you watch films like the Football Factory and such like that you realise what knobs we were.  |
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Post by crowey on May 30, 2015 7:03:13 GMT
roosterhair - I also remember getting bricked on our PMT bus returning from Everton
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Post by roostershair on May 30, 2015 7:07:57 GMT
roosterhair - I also remember getting bricked on our PMT bus returning from Everton Haha. Were we knobs crowey, or were we the footballing equivalent of the Knights Templar? I had some bad times mate!! I got banjoed on a regular basis!!! I must have been the worlds WORST football hooligan  |
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Post by staffsbulldog on May 30, 2015 7:09:17 GMT
yes I remember the Kenny franklin, melv, ray, also someone called rocky but cant remember his name, played football with them for the star in hanley along marsh st when I left school. fun days playing football with em
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Post by 1raytuper on May 30, 2015 11:07:43 GMT
clive smith (whiff) from meir, punched a lot of people in the name of stoke city,also did a lot of jail for the cause .  |
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Post by Waggy on May 30, 2015 13:00:38 GMT
One got caught up in a scence against millwall when their spectator ruffians ran across knocked my bovril out of my hand and trod on Trevors new clarks simplex shoes. Anyway a young hooligan type of fella stepoed in to save order ( i was close to blowing my fuse and shouting ' chap have some respect') my point of this post is they can be cretins at times and silly behaviour should be outlawed but them types can be of use to the general public
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Post by mickstupp on May 30, 2015 14:43:21 GMT
One got caught up in a scence against millwall when their spectator ruffians ran across knocked my bovril out of my hand and trod on Trevors new clarks simplex shoes. Anyway a young hooligan type of fella stepoed in to save order ( i was close to blowing my fuse and shouting ' chap have some respect') my point of this post is they can be cretins at times and silly behaviour should be outlawed but them types can be of use to the general public Was it the first game of the 93/94 season Waggy? When the millwall stormed the Butler Street stand and had a little standoff with Stoke Fans in the paddock below?? |
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Post by Waggy on May 30, 2015 15:09:14 GMT
One got caught up in a scence against millwall when their spectator ruffians ran across knocked my bovril out of my hand and trod on Trevors new clarks simplex shoes. Anyway a young hooligan type of fella stepoed in to save order ( i was close to blowing my fuse and shouting ' chap have some respect') my point of this post is they can be cretins at times and silly behaviour should be outlawed but them types can be of use to the general public Was it the first game of the 93/94 season Waggy? When the millwall stormed the Butler Street stand and had a little standoff with Stoke Fans in the paddock below?? Thats the one. They came over after the laddies in the paddock. If the man who helped trevor and i is on here thank you i will pour you a bovril one time. |
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Post by jonselscfc71 on May 30, 2015 15:38:38 GMT
Shouldn't he have been in your garden? HaHa! He started off in my garden but I invited him indoors to draw up the estimate, which I didn't ulimately accept. I think Bill was described as the "rock on which we stood" in Cass's book on the West Ham Inter City Firm. It was only afterwards I realised who he was and that there was a copy of the Oatcake fanzine on the coffee table. I'm confident I could have taken him out with the TV remote if anything had kicked off ;D He was quite complimentary about Stoke in that book if I remember. Said something along the lines that while we weren't in the big northern clubs league such as Leeds, Man Utd or Everton, West Ham never came up and took the piss and we were always game during the 70's and early 80's. |
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Post by wrighter on May 30, 2015 16:41:10 GMT
" Hold the line ".................. fat Vale bastard on You Tube
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