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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 15, 2012 15:40:36 GMT
I was discussing this with a couple of mates last night and we couldn't think of a single black player signed by him in his time as a manager at any club.
Are we missing someone?
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Jan 15, 2012 15:44:15 GMT
John Barnes??
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Jan 15, 2012 15:45:25 GMT
jordan ibe from wycombe
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Post by marcofstoke on Jan 15, 2012 15:46:45 GMT
Yes John Barnes was signed by Dalglish
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Post by 1863scfc1863 on Jan 15, 2012 15:47:52 GMT
Paul Ince?
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 15, 2012 15:49:12 GMT
Wasn't Barnes already there when Dalglish took over as player manager?
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Post by marcofstoke on Jan 15, 2012 15:55:03 GMT
No, Dalglish was player/manager when he signed Barnes from Watford
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 15, 2012 15:55:45 GMT
Wasn't Barnes already there when Dalglish took over as player manager? Nope Dalglish signed him from Watford, for what might have been a record at the time for a black player- was it 1 mil?
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Post by KOS on Jan 15, 2012 16:00:12 GMT
It was just under 1 million. 10 million in the 80s!! Crikey!
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Post by stennyman on Jan 15, 2012 16:00:24 GMT
Wasn't Barnes already there when Dalglish took over as player manager? Nope Dalglish signed him from Watford, for what might have been a record at the time - was it £10 mil? £900,000.Not far off though.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 15, 2012 16:01:21 GMT
Yeah amended it before you posted guys - ooops!
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 15, 2012 16:01:29 GMT
You're right, he did sign Barnes. 900,000 from Watford. Bargain.
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Post by victoriaboothenboy on Jan 15, 2012 16:02:57 GMT
As a percentage Liverpool have had far few black players than most clubs. They were also one of the last clubs to sign one...think it was a lad named Gayle.
Considering Liverpool is a multi cultural city...its a bit strange
** BTW the word CULTURAL is used in the loosest possible sense
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Post by onionman on Jan 15, 2012 16:09:01 GMT
As a percentage Liverpool have had far few black players than most clubs. They were also one of the last clubs to sign one...think it was a lad named Gayle. Considering Liverpool is a multi cultural city...its a bit strange ** BTW the word CULTURAL is used in the loosest possible sense Everton didn't sign their first black player till the mid 90s either. I don't think it was so much a Merseyside thing; more that English football was prejudiced against black players at that time and, because Liverpool and Everton were very successful with only white players, they had no reason to gamble on black players who managers deemed lazy and fans would quickly turn against. Smaller clubs worked out they were able to close the gap by signing black players who, if it wasn't for prejudice, would have been playing at bigger clubs. Hence Barnes and Blissett playing for Watford in the lower divisions; Wright and Bright at Palace; Regis etc at West Brom.
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Post by march4 on Jan 15, 2012 16:10:18 GMT
As a percentage Liverpool have had far few black players than most clubs. They were also one of the last clubs to sign one...think it was a lad named Gayle. Considering Liverpool is a multi cultural city...its a bit strange ** BTW the word CULTURAL is used in the loosest possible sense I wondered if it was still true about how few black players they had signed. The same used to be true of Everton. Anyone have up to date figures?
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Post by lordb on Jan 15, 2012 17:10:06 GMT
Howard Gayle got lots of racist abuse from his OWN supporters at Liverpool
Mills signed him loan a few years later & I can vividly remember the look of shock on his face when Stoke fans (in the paddock) sang his name - clearly not used to actual support.
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Post by onionman on Jan 15, 2012 17:37:52 GMT
Howard Gayle got lots of racist abuse from his OWN supporters at Liverpool Mills signed him loan a few years later & I can vividly remember the look of shock on his face when Stoke fans (in the paddock) sang his name - clearly not used to actual support. That's true but he wasn't the only one to be abused by his own fans. Paul Canoville at Chelsea for one. Stoke's first black players were brilliant by our standards (Crooks/Chamberlain) so that may have helped. Can any older fans say, did they get any stick before it became clear they were class players? That must have helped pave the way for future black Stoke players to get good support. But I even remember the racist shout aimed at Steino.
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Post by padders01 on Jan 15, 2012 17:40:41 GMT
Alex Doni the reserve keeper
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Post by padders01 on Jan 15, 2012 17:42:14 GMT
Seyi Ojo
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Post by padders01 on Jan 15, 2012 17:42:53 GMT
John Barnes was the only one in first spell as manager
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Post by lagwafis on Jan 15, 2012 18:25:24 GMT
At Newcastle he (re)signed John Barnes and also bought in Des Hamilton from Bradford, Carl Serrant from Oldham and Brian Pinas from Feyenoord
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Post by tazi on Jan 15, 2012 18:27:07 GMT
Bet he'd love sign Mugabi...
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Post by moortownpotter on Jan 15, 2012 18:48:12 GMT
Allegedly he's been looking at Super Johnny Walters.
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Post by dam on Jan 15, 2012 19:00:11 GMT
To be honest this thread is a little unfair, it wasnt until 1978 when viv anderson was picked for england, so until that point not many black players were good enough for the top teams (like liverpool were at the time). The only black players were home produced lads from clubs in London and Birmingham which both had large black populations, Liverpool tended to get most of their players from Scotland or Ireland.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 15, 2012 20:02:23 GMT
dam, are you sure black players were not good enough or could it hsave been other reasons?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 15, 2012 23:38:51 GMT
When he signed Barnes it was goundbreaking. In his excellent book Out of His Skin Dave Hill explored the phenomonon of Barnes at Anfield. He was a different siatuation to Gayle as Barnes was already an established player and was an ambitious and educated.
Graham Taylor believed Barnes wouldn't work out at Anfield and said being black wouldn't help. He was proven wrong on both counts but there was some racist graffiti scrawled on the walls of Anfield that was quietly removed as soon as it was painted on.
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Post by greyman on Jan 16, 2012 4:38:11 GMT
Tommy Smith had some very interesting things to say about Howard Gayle didn't he? Smith threatened to sue a writer who'd reported his quotes but gave up when he was reminded that the conversation had been recorded.
As for the original question, I don't think it's an issue although Dalglish has gone down in my eyes because of how he's handled the Suarez affair and for some of his other comments this season.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 16, 2012 4:51:30 GMT
Mmmm. Dalglish the greatest player I've ever seen. When he managed them before if I was at Anfiield I'd try get a ticket for a seat behind the dugouts and I'd watch him and I'd be awestruck. The team he built there for the 87/88 team was amazing, although I never saw them in the flesh as I was staring awestruck at Dalglish! The way he steered the club through the aftermath of Hillsborough put him up in my estimation as a man as well as a football man.
BUT, I can't deny, in the Suarez affair he's been so wide of the mark he's embarrassed himself.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jan 16, 2012 10:55:22 GMT
Sightly peripheral point, but before he went to Liverpool, Dalglish was a Celtic legend - I am certain he would walk into any all time greatest Celtic XI. The only remarkable thing about that was that his background was protestant and he was a Rangers supporter as a boy. In those days, it was almost unheard of to "cross the divide" in Glasgow - although I have a feeling that Celtic have tended to be slightly (very slightly) more open than Rangers.
I also think Liverpool (the club) have not come out of the Suarez affair smelling of roses, although any suggestion that their fans or the City more generally is any more racist than our own is simply absurd.
And nor can any of us know what Dalglish's views are - but the Celtic thing might be an indication of tolerance and open-mindedness. I would also say that he is, like most football managers, a pragmatist. If a player was of the right quality, I doubt Dalglish would care too much about his colour - or religion or sexuality, for that matter.
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Post by albanianstokie on Jan 16, 2012 12:16:19 GMT
John Barnes is the only one I can think of. Of any note anyway. Louis Suarez is from am mixed race family, his dad is black, I believe.
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