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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 5, 2011 17:36:57 GMT
It's early days for him and he's certainly shown plenty of naivety in his short career at Manure and Ferguson doesn't fancy him at CB as he is far too attacking. He has ability, no doubt about that, but he had an awful lot to prove to become anywhere near the player some think he is.
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Post by march4 on Dec 5, 2011 20:00:02 GMT
He needs to find his best position asap.
He has so much potential, but so did Michael Owen and Gazza at the same age. Young English players with world class talent seem to implode in some way before their talent reached fruition.
I understand the comparison with Duncan Edwards.
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Post by laurie on Dec 5, 2011 20:31:22 GMT
I have also mentioned to people about the similarities with Duncan Edwards. Big frame, the ability to take the ball right through a defence which he displayed to us a few times on his recent visit, no settled position (just like Edwards), a cracking shot in either foot ( Edwards was called boom boom cause of his shooting ability) I think its far too early to make a serious comparison cause Duncan Edwards was already an internationally renowned player at 19 - with people saying he was a prodigy and about to become the best player ever. Sadly he died at Munich but only after a week or so, which people put down to his formidable will and strength. Phil Jones? - similarities, yes, but how much more?
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Post by fca47 on Dec 5, 2011 20:59:54 GMT
Sometimes the fact that they have died or something else drastic has happened to them helps their reputation. That may be the case with Duncan Edwards. If Michael Owen has died in a plane crash at 19 we would probably be saying the same about him. Injuries etc. can mean that they never fulfill their promise or they just don't develop like you expect. Kevin Beattie is a prime example of someone who didn't quite make it. So to say they are only 19 means nothing the only reality is how they are playing at the moment.
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Post by dormansmith on Dec 5, 2011 21:10:30 GMT
Quality. Wish he was Stoke.
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Post by rawli on Dec 5, 2011 21:34:19 GMT
Right now he is quality due to the fact he is a unusually fast and skillful for his size. This for me is where it will go wrong in the near future he will burn out and lose his pace. He's 19 and will lose his pace soon? Jesus Hates Christ.
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Post by brownsugar on Dec 6, 2011 0:02:43 GMT
Cracking player, has a great future ahead of him.
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Post by larstoke on Dec 6, 2011 0:49:23 GMT
Fantastic defender. He can play CB, FB, and CM as if he had been doing it all his life. He'll be one of europes finest players by the age of 23 I reckon. Massive talent. Great piece of business by man u.
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Post by theginsoakedboy on Dec 6, 2011 1:37:38 GMT
He is absolutely the man. Fantastic at his age and I'm sure with plenty more to come. What England continually fail to do is build a team around a rare talent. In my opinion they should have doen it with Le Tissier (who hardly ever got a game and for a different discussion) and more latterly with Rooney where we haven't done it with him either. Rooney and Jones are both potentially 'world class' and right now they should be our focal for the next four years. England have utterly no chance next summer if the 'running in custard' brothers that are Ferdinand and Terry are playing for the natiuonal team. Indeed they are both an utter liabilty at club level but at least Ferguson can see that. AVB either can't or I fear isn't allowed to by his Terry loving Russian boss.
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Post by mistersausage on Dec 6, 2011 1:42:55 GMT
I think he's a very good player who will get even better and for me he could be very similar to Paul Scholes when he was younger, only he's bigger, stronger, and quicker too.
He's got a head like a baking potato though.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 6, 2011 1:53:04 GMT
He's like John O'Shea, but 25 times better.
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 6, 2011 2:11:39 GMT
He's like John O'Shea, but 25 times better. Ryan Shawcross is like Paul Williams, but 195 times thinner.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 6, 2011 2:19:28 GMT
Jon Walters is like Nikola Žigić, but with a length-of-pre-signing-Oatcake-thread / actually-signing-for-Stoke ratio 840 times bigger.
Or smaller, depending on how you look at it.
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 6, 2011 2:33:51 GMT
Jon Walters is like Nikola Žigić, but with a length-of-pre-signing-Oatcake-thread / actually-signing-for-Stoke ratio 840 times bigger. Or smaller, depending on how you look at it. Jon Parkin is like the Bradford 'City Gent', but...no, wait, they're practically identical.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 6, 2011 16:31:12 GMT
I don't buy that he's a centre back at all. They way he plays just screams box to box midfielder. His runs are brilliant. His defending is iffy but the rest of his game is good.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Dec 6, 2011 16:36:28 GMT
And what do folk think of Smalling? I think he's come on leaps and bounds. Great in the air, quick and great distribution. Surely better than Terry already? And as good as Rio now the bad back has taken its toll!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 6, 2011 16:41:15 GMT
Smalling-improved a lot. Still don't want him in the England set up yet and he's not better at right back than Richards, Walker or Kelly.
Better than Terry, not sure. Better than Rio this season, yes but that really isn't difficult, it's painful watching him.
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Post by stoneroses on Dec 6, 2011 16:42:12 GMT
Future England Captain and CB, as soon as Rio is on the decline he'll be there,
his versatility is his let down as he's that good he can play anywhere as soon as he settles at CB he'll become one of the best defenders/players in the world
An amazing talent and anyone who doesnt see it hasnt really got a clue about football, he's quick, strong powerful, can pass, carries the ball, a leader has everything.. in terms of comparing to shawcross he's on a different level, as is smalling
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Post by march4 on Dec 6, 2011 16:48:20 GMT
Did Gazza fulfil early promise?
Did Owen fulfil early promise?
Is Rooney any better than when he was a teenager?
Did Joe Cole become the great player predicted when he was a teenager?
What about a £1M 16 year old called Jermaine Pennant?
For some reason English teenagers with considerable talent never seem to reach their full potential.
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Dec 6, 2011 17:42:29 GMT
jones is ultimately a defensive mid smalling just looks very arkward passing the ball why micah richards isent in the england team i will never know hes been amazing this season ... one of mancs best players behind silva, kompany and aguero
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Dec 6, 2011 17:56:38 GMT
Quality player, who has a great future.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 6, 2011 18:01:40 GMT
Did Gazza fulfil early promise? Did Owen fulfil early promise? Is Rooney any better than when he was a teenager? Did Joe Cole become the great player predicted when he was a teenager? What about a £1M 16 year old called Jermaine Pennant? For some reason English teenagers with considerable talent never seem to reach their full potential. I think it's extremely harsh on all of those players to cast them as examples of "unfulfilled potential". Owen is the fourth highest England goalscorer of all time. Rooney is the most important player in one of the biggest and most successful clubs in the world, as well as for his country. Of course he’s better than when he was a teenager! Joe Cole and Pennant both lost their way a bit but both have performed (and are still performing) reasonably consistently at the top level, including internationally and in Europe. Gazza is a special case, but despite his problems is still considered the most skillful English midfielder in recent memory. I sort of know where you’re coming from but to be honest if Jones turned out to be anywhere near as good for England as most of the players you’ve listed I’d be bloody delighted.
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 6, 2011 19:03:58 GMT
He wasn't really on anyone's radar till man u signed him ,has he had two full seasons yet in the prem ?
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Post by Janet in ST5 on Dec 6, 2011 19:12:18 GMT
One foot to stand on, one foot to kick the ball with, and never get the two confused otherwise he looks like another pile of over rated poo.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 6, 2011 19:36:23 GMT
He wasn't really on anyone's radar till man you signed him ,has he had two full seasons yet in the prem ? That really isn't true. Big Sam was raving about him when he was there. Always looked a decent prospect. I don't think he's the next coming of Jesus as seems to be the concensus but if he continues the way he is he will be a very good player.
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Post by stoneroses on Dec 6, 2011 20:53:36 GMT
he was on every one's radar, Redknapp tried to sign him, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea all enquired, not expecting you to know a lot but before you spout shite at least make sure its accurate
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Post by mylovelymayomammy on Dec 6, 2011 21:25:46 GMT
My greengrocer is called Phil Jones but is quite old and has a stutter.
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Post by oldgit57 on Dec 6, 2011 21:36:40 GMT
Did Gazza fulfil early promise? Did Owen fulfil early promise? Is Rooney any better than when he was a teenager? Did Joe Cole become the great player predicted when he was a teenager? What about a £1M 16 year old called Jermaine Pennant? For some reason English teenagers with considerable talent never seem to reach their full potential. Firstly Jones = Cracking player, almost bound to improve as well given his age and recent migration to Man Yew! March, hows things?? Gazza did ok mate, whats your criteria for fulfilling potential? He played in the final stages of a world cup, played with and against, some of the worlds finest in Serie A, loads of international caps and domestic honours in the uk! Owen, pretty much more of the same, has played for 3 of Europes most high profile teams. Rooney and Cole I will give you, but JP?? Surely his finest moments are yet to be achieved! ;D
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Post by march4 on Dec 6, 2011 22:42:42 GMT
Did Gazza fulfil early promise? Did Owen fulfil early promise? Is Rooney any better than when he was a teenager? Did Joe Cole become the great player predicted when he was a teenager? What about a £1M 16 year old called Jermaine Pennant? For some reason English teenagers with considerable talent never seem to reach their full potential. Firstly Jones = Cracking player, almost bound to improve as well given his age and recent migration to Man Yew! March, hows things?? Gazza did ok mate, whats your criteria for fulfilling potential? He played in the final stages of a world cup, played with and against, some of the worlds finest in Serie A, loads of international caps and domestic honours in the uk! Owen, pretty much more of the same, has played for 3 of Europes most high profile teams. Rooney and Cole I will give you, but JP?? Surely his finest moments are yet to be achieved! ;D I'll throw another name into the hat; Mark Chamberlain - for a short period it looked like he could become one of the best players in the world and was even being mentioned in the same terms as Sir Stan. Another Englishman who never reached the heights expected of him. There seems a common theme to me that young English players appear quickly from obscurity and impress everyone. However, too much football takes it toll and through injuries and niggles they never truly improve like Pele, Maradona, Messi, etc. Yes, Owen, Gazza, Rooney have made fine careers but in 50 years will they be classed as all time greats - no.
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Post by theginsoakedboy on Dec 6, 2011 23:26:18 GMT
Firstly Jones = Cracking player, almost bound to improve as well given his age and recent migration to Man Yew! March, hows things?? Gazza did ok mate, whats your criteria for fulfilling potential? He played in the final stages of a world cup, played with and against, some of the worlds finest in Serie A, loads of international caps and domestic honours in the uk! Owen, pretty much more of the same, has played for 3 of Europes most high profile teams. Rooney and Cole I will give you, but JP?? Surely his finest moments are yet to be achieved! ;D I'll throw another name into the hat; Mark Chamberlain - for a short period it looked like he could become one of the best players in the world and was even being mentioned in the same terms as Sir Stan. Another Englishman who never reached the heights expected of him. There seems a common theme to me that young English players appear quickly from obscurity and impress everyone. However, too much football takes it toll and through injuries and niggles they never truly improve like Pele, Maradona, Messi, etc. Yes, Owen, Gazza, Rooney have made fine careers but in 50 years will they be classed as all time greats - no. Never mind Chambo surely Bomber Sheldon would have been better than Pele if dirty dirty Leeds hadn't bust his leg for him.
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