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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 26, 2004 10:33:15 GMT
Fergie the turd reckons Keane was hard done by when he was sent off last night for stamping on their goalkeeper. Balls you turd,Keane could have jumped over the keeper but decided to stamp on the keeper while "trying" to jump over him. Keane hard?Dont make me laugh, he's nothing but a dirty cunt. Dennis Smith was hard but did'nt stamp on players. Our Dennis once played on with a broken bone in his foot.Keane would want a week off if he broke a finger nail
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Post by Vodkab1ock on Feb 26, 2004 10:39:07 GMT
you really thought he should of gone?? i always look at it as if it was stoke if JE had done it i would of felt very unhappy. just my oppinion
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Post by homerj on Feb 26, 2004 10:42:32 GMT
to call it a "stamp" is a bit harsh. Why he did put his foot on him god only knows, but there was no force in it. What is more of a disgrace was the keepers' reaction. Just another example of cheats prospering.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2004 10:51:30 GMT
As Homer says, to call it a stamp seems harsh in a way. But why the hell did he do it? If he kept his foot up, which he could easily do as he wasn't off balance, then he'd be available for the second leg. If he puts his foot on anyone, forceful or not he runs the risk of a red card, and he got one. Serves him right really.
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Post by Pricey on Feb 26, 2004 12:56:15 GMT
Of course he deserved to get sent off. For a tenth of a second last night you saw the old Roy Keane. So determined to win he often used to go 'over the edge' and kick out at opposition players. He seems to have mellowed somewhat in the last year but this sending off gives an indication that there is still a devil lurking beneath the now mostly cool (see his reaction to Neville's silly head-butt the other week) exterior.
It was a good job that the old Keane only came into his head for a split-second before he regained his sense, otherwise he would have been looking at a full-blown stamp and a 6 match ban.
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Post by angescfc on Feb 26, 2004 13:08:03 GMT
I dunno if he should have gone, I've seen a lot worse tackles go unpunished and he gets a straight red for the keepers dramatics? It doesn't seem right to me!
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Post by GlennA on Feb 26, 2004 13:09:24 GMT
If the stupid bastard trod on me, I'd certainly make sure the linesman noticed.
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Post by Pricey on Feb 26, 2004 13:12:32 GMT
By rolling around and crying like he'd kicked you in the bollocks?!
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Post by dude on Feb 26, 2004 13:14:04 GMT
100% agree Glenn. Not saying the keeper was justified with the dramatics but Keane can't complain.
I hate him, his parents and his grand-parents. At the end of the day if he didn't do it he wouldn't have walked, the keeper not the issue really.
Aggressive, out spoken thug who obviously is Scottish and there was a mix up at the hospital ;D
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Post by homerj on Feb 26, 2004 13:15:17 GMT
Glenn - do you advocate play-acting to get opponenets booked/sent off? ??? I suppose you are a fan of Neil Warnock then?
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Post by GlennA on Feb 26, 2004 13:18:00 GMT
Keane got himself sent off. Open and shut case, surely?
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Post by Pricey on Feb 26, 2004 13:21:05 GMT
It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if the keeper would have got up straight away and tried to show the ref/linesman the 'injury' he'd got.
He deserved to be sent off but if what I describe above was the case it may have been a yellow or even nothing!
It seems cheating gets you everywhere in football today.
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Post by dude on Feb 26, 2004 13:25:33 GMT
See your point Pricey but I don't think being stamped on is cheating. He over reacted yes but to a act that in itself deserved a red card.
I hate play acting in football (ahem) and am dreading what the Portuguese will get away with in the Summer. If he hadn't touched him then Ok...the keeper should go IMHO. He did though and deserved what he got.
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Post by Pricey on Feb 26, 2004 13:27:38 GMT
More from the Oatcake Occasionals Diving Champion (2002 and 2003) next week folks! ;D
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Post by dude on Feb 26, 2004 13:31:42 GMT
LOL Pricey ;D When I went to the bar on Saturday I nearly went down in a heap as I passed you, force of habit Actually....think that was the first time I ever got past you come to think of it
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Post by Pricey on Feb 26, 2004 13:36:53 GMT
Your dives are so funny though JR. You just take little gay leap into the air (pretty much vertically) and collapse.
Try and play in the next one if you can (hopefully in the afternoon like it was last May) because I'd like to see Rex/Karl's (or whoever is reffing) reaction to one of your 'efforts'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2004 13:37:48 GMT
"There was no malice in the incident, it is not Roy's style to do anything like that. " - 'Sir' A. Ferguson
Nearly pissed mesen reading that!
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Post by dude on Feb 26, 2004 13:42:32 GMT
"a gay leap into the air"....cheeky fella u. I'm not Rudolph Nury....that dancing bloke.
Clynically scythed down, try to stay on me little feet and you describe it as a "gay leap".
EMP...made me laugh as well that one.
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Post by homerj on Feb 26, 2004 13:44:20 GMT
The punishment should be meted out based on the offence, not the keepers theatrics. If the keeper had got straight back up, would Keane still have been sent off? I doubt it.
I am not defending Keane - if the ref/liner thinks him stepping on the keeper is a red card offence, then fine, but if the keeper's cheating has influenced his decision than that is wrong. Roughhouse tactics and individual petualnce have always been part of the game, that is why we have yellow and red cards - but this trend of cheating htat we are seeing more & more of is ruining modern football in my opinion, especially when it filters down to the likes of Sheffield Utd & wycombe (under Sanchez). If the powers that be punish players for diving and pay-acting etc, then it will put a stop to it.
remember Rivaldo diving to the floor, holding his face like he had been shot when someone kicked a ball moderately hard into his midriff? I suppose you think this was acceptable? I dont like Roy Keane, but he never hurt the keeper & never intended to IMO. A booking would have sufficed for his stupidity.
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Post by GlennA on Feb 26, 2004 13:46:51 GMT
Rivaldo's display was comical and nauseating in equal measure. I don't see the analogy? Keane committed a preventable, violent act. That's a red card, irrespective of what the keeper did.
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Post by dude on Feb 26, 2004 13:46:59 GMT
The Rivaldo incident was different. He play acted to something that didn't happen.R emember the groan in the crowd as seconds later they saw the replay on the screen. Rivaldo feigned injury to something that DIDN'T happen.
I agree that Keane may not have gone but disagree that it wasn't a red card offence.
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Post by Pricey on Feb 26, 2004 13:50:46 GMT
For a split second Roy Keane intended to stamp on the keeper. Therefore the sending off was justified, and of that alone there should be no argument.
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Post by RAF on Feb 26, 2004 14:18:06 GMT
I'm not taking any fuckers advice that wears gloves playing footy indoors!! ;D
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Post by Pricey on Feb 26, 2004 14:28:59 GMT
Ah, but the knowledge is in the gloves my friend.
I take them off, my thinking goes as well. Kinda like that Samson fella.
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Post by wardrobe monster on Feb 26, 2004 15:27:46 GMT
forget the keepers reaction, Keane could easily have jumped over the keeper but he didnt. He "stepped" on the keeper, and the keeper reacted in the manner to which the portugese had been playing all night. The bottom line is the intent and it serves Keane right. If a Stoke player had done it and got sent off then I would be on here saying that he should be fined 2 weeks wages for stupidity.
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Post by porsche007 on Feb 26, 2004 15:31:12 GMT
I sometimes find the mentality of the stoke fan very fickle. To be honest i think Roy Keane is one of the best footballers in the last 20years, he has a passion and desire to win which is so respectable and to be admired. Yeh he has a stupid side and has done dirty things in the past, but all great players have this attitude. Our very own Dennis Smith was as hard as anyone and i have heard stories from my dad that he would always tread on the toes of the opposing forward within 5 mins - mmmm If Stoke had been blessed to have signed Roy Keane instead of Notts Forest he would be an idol now - a lot of stoke fans see manu as scum and that is there opinion, but to slag roy keane as a footballer is very blinkered. Remember when he got booked in the euro-cup semi final, and so couldnt play in the final - did he do a gazza and cry. nah he got on with it and played the best 45 mins of his career and dragged united into that final. But then again - we english love a loser and someone to feel sorry for dont we
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Post by dude on Feb 26, 2004 15:39:05 GMT
Porsche I dont think anyone denies he's a great player. he's a fantastic player who lets his team mates and country down needlesly sometimes.
One of the game's best midfielders in recent years but doing things like that, abusing refs and then acting above the law win you no friends.
If I was a Man U fan I would be irate with him last night, he's let his team down yet his manager will never criticise him and admit his 1 fault...his temperament.
Stupid sendings off like that do nothing to help anyone. I will not applaud a Stoke player who is needlessly sent off as I think he's let us down.
Roy Keane would be idolised wherever he was but if Man U go out in the second leg I would point the finger at ANOTHER of his acts of stupidity.
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Post by porsche007 on Feb 26, 2004 16:09:27 GMT
But if u take away that little devil streak - u lose a lot in my opinion. Viera has it, parker has it, gerrard has it - a pattern does emerge
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Post by dude on Feb 26, 2004 16:12:47 GMT
Dennis Wise had it but never got into as much trouble.
I see what you mean but there's a fine line between that streak and stupid red cards in high profile games. Keane seems to attract the latter.
Don't think Parker has a devil's streak. I'm sure he copped a load of lady Penelope in the bath now and then but he was ever so polite.
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Post by homerj on Feb 27, 2004 10:05:33 GMT
It seems I am being misunderstood & will repeat what I said: "I am not defending Keane - if the ref/liner thinks him stepping on the keeper is a red card offence, then fine, but if the keeper's cheating has influenced his decision than that is wrong." My point is not the fact that Roy Keane committed an offence, but that the keepers theatrics (cheating) may have swayed the ref's decision. End of. I agree with Porsche's sentiment - if it had been Scholes, I bet most of you would be saying "thats harsh, the keeper's got him sent off". By the way Glenn if you think Keane committed a "violent" act, I suppose you have your eyes shut through most footy matches?
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