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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 15, 2011 22:45:30 GMT
Sorry but teachers should realise what they have is still bloody good compared to what is happening in the real world. If they strike next month, they will not get any support from me. And when Labour stop wanking over Liam Fox you won't hear a peep from them when the real issus matter. Yes but no one gives a flying fcuk what you think ;D
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Post by Orbs on Oct 15, 2011 22:59:44 GMT
Seems pretty ridiculous to say that just because somthing is happening at one school then this is also the picture Nationally and that all teachers are wankers. It's like saying all plasterers are overweight, bald cunts just because you had one bad skimming - dot and dabbin experience........oh hang on a minute.........
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Post by frasier45 on Oct 16, 2011 7:36:33 GMT
;D orbs, lost a stone now, best plasterer in England, unfortunately.......still as bald as a coute cunt
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 16, 2011 7:58:27 GMT
I have experience of both military (34 years) and teaching (8 years)so can speak with some authority about both. IMO there are many similarities in both professions for example periods of less acticvity for some teaching staff particularly those who teach yr 11 when these students leave for study leave around May and don't return until 6th form. The comraderie from my experience is very similar with team work being the essence for success. We have training day too next Friday but that is countered by at least 6 "twilight" training evenings several student review evenings and 4 open evenings for parents this school year. I also, along with 5 other teachers from my college, give up several weekends during Oct-May in order to supervise 30 or so students training on Dartmoor for annual Ten Tors Expedition in May 2012. This happens every year and teachers do not get paid for their time during this training. As for the stike in Nov, there is little support at our college to take part because of the futility of striking and the loss of a days pay to do this. I personally would not strike because I support the governments actions on reducing the budget deficit and I consider myself very lucky to have a job that is well rewarded.
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Post by mistersausage on Oct 16, 2011 8:03:49 GMT
not content with 13 weeks holiday a year next friday, the day before half term my boys school has a teacher training day not a problem really till i find out two of them are flying out on holiday the night before a pisstake Only a tory could think like that
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Post by Northy on Oct 1, 2012 20:51:53 GMT
just been told there is one at ours on Friday, so after 6 weeks summer holiday, they haven't been back for 4 weeks and the teachers don't want the kids in school. Can't they do training during the 6 weeks off in the summer, or the half term holiday that's coming up in 3 weeks?
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Post by salopstick on Oct 1, 2012 20:53:22 GMT
just been told there is one at ours on Friday, so after 6 weeks summer holiday, they haven't been back for 4 weeks and the teachers don't want the kids in school. Can't they do training during the 6 weeks off in the summer, or the half term holiday that's coming up in 3 weeks? the govt brought then in you know
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Post by salopstick on Oct 1, 2012 20:56:39 GMT
Halycon days
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Post by jnb14 on Oct 2, 2012 13:10:44 GMT
Speaking as a teacher, and a parent of kids at a different schools, training days are a definite piss take, even if they are actually used for that.
The school I'm at, we come in for a week before the kids in August and all training is done then.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 2, 2012 13:16:24 GMT
Speaking as a teacher, and a parent of kids at a different schools, training days are a definite piss take, even if they are actually used for that. The school I'm at, we come in for a week before the kids in August and all training is done then. Just the 6 weeks summer holidays then
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Post by jnb14 on Oct 2, 2012 15:24:37 GMT
Well, 4 weeks here.
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Post by mozzer68 on Oct 2, 2012 15:43:21 GMT
My lady works in a school and most of the time they are not told when these training days are until last minute, these days are not days off for the staff as some seem to think. A lot of the staff are expected to work at some point during the main summer holiday and often take work home with them. I'm not sticking up for them and saying they have it tough, but there is a lot of work that goes on in a school that goes unmentioned. Personnally i wouldn't be a teacher, There are too many kids who are violent, abusive and generally out of control. The parents are just as bad when the school tries to hand out what little punishment it has at it's disposal. Yes 13 weeks off a year sounds great, but if i had to put up with some of those little bastards i'd be glad of it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 2, 2012 16:22:06 GMT
I have experience of both military (34 years) and teaching (8 years)so can speak with some authority about both. IMO there are many similarities in both professions for example periods of less acticvity for some teaching staff particularly those who teach yr 11 when these students leave for study leave around May and don't return until 6th form. The comraderie from my experience is very similar with team work being the essence for success. We have training day too next Friday but that is countered by at least 6 "twilight" training evenings several student review evenings and 4 open evenings for parents this school year. I also, along with 5 other teachers from my college, give up several weekends during Oct-May in order to supervise 30 or so students training on Dartmoor for annual Ten Tors Expedition in May 2012. This happens every year and teachers do not get paid for their time during this training. As for the stike in Nov, there is little support at our college to take part because of the futility of striking and the loss of a days pay to do this. I personally would not strike because I support the governments actions on reducing the budget deficit and I consider myself very lucky to have a job that is well rewarded. Great post Lawrie but again, you wouldn't be in a job that is so well rewarded if it wasn't for the Unions. is that really so difficult to understand? I agree that most teachers are reluctant to strike but this time it's about the long term future for all, not just teacher's pensions.
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Post by rlcstokie on Oct 2, 2012 16:55:12 GMT
Sorry but teachers should realise what they have is still bloody good compared to what is happening in the real world. If they strike next month, they will not get any support from me. And when Labour stop wanking over Liam Fox you won't hear a peep from them when the real issus matter. +1
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Post by potterglen on Oct 2, 2012 20:35:48 GMT
not content with 13 weeks holiday a year next friday, the day before half term my boys school has a teacher training day not a problem really till i find out two of them are flying out on holiday the night before a pisstake 5 year old abducted in Wales, Soldiers dying in Afghanistan and you're moaning about a Teacher training day. Get a life youth alternatively entertain a class full of the little angels for a day and report back.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 2, 2012 20:45:20 GMT
Check the date youth and report back
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Post by frasier99 on Oct 2, 2012 20:47:24 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Oct 2, 2012 20:48:17 GMT
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Post by jamlander on Oct 2, 2012 20:57:29 GMT
Check the date youth and report back Why don't we have karma on here ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 21:01:26 GMT
Check the date youth and report back Why don't we have karma on here ;D I dunno about that ! My dentist is called Karma , dont want him on here
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Post by Orbs on Oct 2, 2012 21:05:17 GMT
Teachers have no choice in the INSET days (so I'm told) - They have to work 190 days + 1 day for admin (the first day back) then the 4 other INSET days are taken during the school year for things like 1st Aid training - curriculum development and the like.
It's the Head Teachers I feel sorry for they have to put up with idiotic parents AND teachers.
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Post by jamlander on Oct 2, 2012 21:19:30 GMT
Teachers have no choice in the INSET days (so I'm told) - They have to work 190 days + 1 day for admin (the first day back) then the 4 other INSET days are taken during the school year for things like 1st Aid training - curriculum development and the like. It's the Head Teachers I feel sorry for they have to put up with idiotic parents AND teachers. From the big school documentation I received quote: "Working days=194(including 4 staff training) School starts at 9am and finished at 3.30pm each weekday" I know sometimes that the teachers are there after 3.30 when I pick my lad up from detention.
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Post by Orbs on Oct 2, 2012 21:21:27 GMT
Teachers have no choice in the INSET days (so I'm told) - They have to work 190 days + 1 day for admin (the first day back) then the 4 other INSET days are taken during the school year for things like 1st Aid training - curriculum development and the like. It's the Head Teachers I feel sorry for they have to put up with idiotic parents AND teachers. From the big school documentation I received quote: "Working days=194(including 4 staff training) School starts at 9am and finished at 3.30pm each weekday" I know sometimes that the teachers are there after 3.30 when I pick my lad up from detention. ;D ;D
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Post by figo85 on Oct 2, 2012 22:03:07 GMT
It's not really a day off is it really. The teachers have these days to ensure the best possible education for your children. It's not exactly a chance for them to put their feet up and doss about all day.
Having completed a PGCE, I am fully aware of the hard work that teachers put in, getting into work at 7am and barely leaving before 6pm then continuing with marking, planning and evaluation late into the evening. When it comes to Holidays, these are made up with block planning, lesson planning, marking, grading, student evaluations and preparing the learning environment for the upcoming term.
I really do think opinions would change if the people moaning about teachers would spend a month doing the same job and re-evaluate their stance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 1:32:56 GMT
It's not really a day off is it really. The teachers have these days to ensure the best possible education for your children. It's not exactly a chance for them to put their feet up and doss about all day. Having completed a PGCE, I am fully aware of the hard work that teachers put in, getting into work at 7am and barely leaving before 6pm then continuing with marking, planning and evaluation late into the evening. When it comes to Holidays, these are made up with block planning, lesson planning, marking, grading, student evaluations and preparing the learning environment for the upcoming term. I really do think opinions would change if the people moaning about teachers would spend a month doing the same job and re-evaluate their stance. I wouldn't want to be a teacher in this day and age fair play too them
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Post by Northy on Oct 3, 2012 6:58:17 GMT
It's not really a day off is it really. The teachers have these days to ensure the best possible education for your children. It's not exactly a chance for them to put their feet up and doss about all day. Having completed a PGCE, I am fully aware of the hard work that teachers put in, getting into work at 7am and barely leaving before 6pm then continuing with marking, planning and evaluation late into the evening. When it comes to Holidays, these are made up with block planning, lesson planning, marking, grading, student evaluations and preparing the learning environment for the upcoming term. I really do think opinions would change if the people moaning about teachers would spend a month doing the same job and re-evaluate their stance. The teacher that lives opposite me has only just left, nearly 8AM, and she doesn't work at the local school, and always home well before 6pm so she must be a skiver especially when they go away for 4 weeks continuously every summer
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Post by jamlander on Oct 3, 2012 7:31:25 GMT
It's not really a day off is it really. The teachers have these days to ensure the best possible education for your children. It's not exactly a chance for them to put their feet up and doss about all day. Having completed a PGCE, I am fully aware of the hard work that teachers put in, getting into work at 7am and barely leaving before 6pm then continuing with marking, planning and evaluation late into the evening. When it comes to Holidays, these are made up with block planning, lesson planning, marking, grading, student evaluations and preparing the learning environment for the upcoming term. I really do think opinions would change if the people moaning about teachers would spend a month doing the same job and re-evaluate their stance. The teacher that lives opposite me has only just left, nearly 8AM, and she doesn't work at the local school, and always home well before 6pm so she must be a skiver especially when they go away for 4 weeks continuously every summer I picked my daughter up at 5.15 yesterday and thought it strange that the usually empty car park was near full to be told they were all working late because it was a prospective students evening. It's empty at 4.30 usually, footy training night and Thursdays, detention night Of course this doesn't mean to say that they aren't taking shedloads of work home from the big school.
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Post by Orbs on Oct 3, 2012 10:05:16 GMT
When I leave work and drive past the schools on the way home the staff car parks are always pretty full.
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Post by jamlander on Oct 3, 2012 11:13:17 GMT
When I leave work and drive past the schools on the way home the staff car parks are always pretty full. Perhaps they're loaning out Sports facilities to the public matey.
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Post by Orbs on Oct 3, 2012 11:19:34 GMT
No way - the cars are far to posh for the "public" All '04 and '05 plates - screaming out public sector workers.
Not forgetting the pension and huge lump sum they get when they retire.
Holidays shmolidays.
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