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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 10:46:17 GMT
Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 25, 2011 10:46:17 GMT
So at the start of last season Pulis obviously thought he needed to keep Faye in the team? I see your thinking. However...didn't we have Wilson at right-back over Wilko for a few games last season until Higgy got injured? I think it's just he's quite slow to make a change with any kind of risk attached to it. The risk in this case being Huth might ask for a transfer. But there remains a niggling sense in my head that Pulis doesn't completely trust Wilko to do the job he asks. Yeah I think he's certainly worried about Huth putting in a transfer request. Or to put it another way, if we hadn't signed Woodgate in the summer, then I fully expect that Huth would have been partnering Ryan in the league so far this season, with Wilko rightly playing at full back.
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 10:49:31 GMT
Post by Pricey on Sept 25, 2011 10:49:31 GMT
Not sure I agree with you there Pricey. We've been woeful going forward in the Prem all season, creating very little chances for our forwards. People have been asking why has Pennant not been playing well? Some of us have suggested it's because Huth doesn't even remotely support him in the way Wilko does. Pennant played well yesterday and we created more chances for our forwards than we have all season. Incredibly we had exactly this same debate at the start of LAST season, prior to Tone reinstating Andy at right back against Liverpool, where we subsequently took them apart. Bang on, mate! Tone, play two wingers and a right back. Drop Delap, his legs have gone. Whelan and Wilko should start games, rotate the centre backs to keep em sweet! We looked really good against United, don't want to go back to square one, ie. no threat, few chances. Rotate the centre backs? Sod that.
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 10:52:54 GMT
Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 25, 2011 10:52:54 GMT
Bang on, mate! Tone, play two wingers and a right back. Drop Delap, his legs have gone. Whelan and Wilko should start games, rotate the centre backs to keep em sweet! We looked really good against United, don't want to go back to square one, ie. no threat, few chances. Rotate the centre backs? Sod that. Yeah I'm not up for rotating the centre backs either. Fergie has been winning the Prem and going deep in Europe for years but if they're available, then he'll always field his two best centre backs. Same as most other top managers.
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 10:54:28 GMT
Post by Pricey on Sept 25, 2011 10:54:28 GMT
So at the start of last season Pulis obviously thought he needed to keep Faye in the team? I see your thinking. However...didn't we have Wilson at right-back over Wilko for a few games last season until Higgy got injured? I think it's just he's quite slow to make a change with any kind of risk attached to it. The risk in this case being Huth might ask for a transfer. But there remains a niggling sense in my head that Pulis doesn't completely trust Wilko to do the job he asks. Yeah I think he's certainly worried about Huth putting in a transfer request. Or to put it another way, if we hadn't signed Woodgate in the summer, then I fully expect that Huth would have been partnering Ryan in the league so far this season, with Wilko rightly playing at full back. At least Huth isn't a complete mug on the right though. We'll have to see what happens. Does Scott Sinclair play play on the left? By that logic Wilko should be starting again next Sunday shouldn't he? Just watching the highlights of yesterday. If Wilko would have scored that everyone in Cornwall would have known about it.
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 10:59:14 GMT
Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 25, 2011 10:59:14 GMT
Yeah I think he's certainly worried about Huth putting in a transfer request. Or to put it another way, if we hadn't signed Woodgate in the summer, then I fully expect that Huth would have been partnering Ryan in the league so far this season, with Wilko rightly playing at full back. At least Huth isn't a complete mug on the right though. We'll have to see what happens. Does Scott Sinclair play play on the left? By that logic Wilko should be starting again next Sunday shouldn't he? Just watching the highlights of yesterday. If Wilko would have scored that everyone in Cornwall would have known about it. Yeah Scott Sinclair plays on the left. However (as was clearly demonstrated yesterday) the decision on who to play there shouldn't just be determined by the defensive duties that might be required by the right back in any specific game. We need Pennant to play well whoever we play and Jermaine plays better when he's got Andy behind him rather than Huth.
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 11:06:10 GMT
Post by Pricey on Sept 25, 2011 11:06:10 GMT
What I'm alluding to is that if Wilko starts again next week and plays well it'll start to get to a situation where Pulis will have no choice but to have him as our regular right-back.
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 11:11:38 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 25, 2011 11:11:38 GMT
I still can't get my head round trickydickie's (and others) dislike of playing Delap. I agree he rarely has 90 minutes in his legs these days but to say his "legs have gone" is daft. Yesterday we created more chances against Man Utd than we have done in the last three games against them put together - we could not have done that if Delap's legs "had gone".
Obviously at his age Delap is going to play fewer minutes per game and fewer games as the seaon progresses and of course, we now have Palacios who has to be a big part of our future - but, to me, it is far too early to dismiss Delap as though he was a spent force - our midfield still benefits by having him in it for at least part of the time.
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 11:13:22 GMT
Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 25, 2011 11:13:22 GMT
I still can't get my head round this dislike of playing Delap that so many of our fans have. I agree he rarely has 90 minutes in his legs these days but to say his "legs have gone" is daft. Yesterday we created more chances against Man Utd than we have done in the last three games against them put together - we could not have done that if Delap's legs "had gone". Obviously at his age Delap is going to play fewer minutes per game and fewer games as the seaon progresses and of course, we now have Palacios who has to be the future - but, to me, it is far too early to dismiss Delap as though he was a spent force - our midfield still benefits by having him in it for at least part of the time. I can't either Forny. He is incredibly consistent and still gets around the park like a twenty-something. He had a rare poor game at Sunderland last week but then so did everybody. He still has a huge part to play in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2011 11:29:00 GMT
I know this is selfish but I'm glad he didn't score. I went for a piss, I would be so so gutted to miss wilko scoring. Taught me lesson.
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 11:36:09 GMT
Post by Pricey on Sept 25, 2011 11:36:09 GMT
If in doubt, piss yourself.
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 11:43:13 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 25, 2011 11:43:13 GMT
Wilko - Shawcross - Huth - Wilson (possibly Higgy)
Upson as first reserve, Woodgate clear fourth choice.
The end.
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 11:45:27 GMT
Post by steventweed on Sept 25, 2011 11:45:27 GMT
Wasn't the Giggs chance at the end solely down to the fact that Huth had been drawn into the centre? Please stop playing him at fullback please Tone.
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 11:47:14 GMT
Post by Pricey on Sept 25, 2011 11:47:14 GMT
Woodgate clear fourth choice. The end. You're off your tits.
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 11:47:57 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 25, 2011 11:47:57 GMT
Woodgate clear fourth choice. The end. You're off your tits. You're wrong
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 25, 2011 11:51:52 GMT
Wilko - Shawcross - Huth - Wilson (possibly Higgy) Upson as first reserve, Woodgate clear fourth choice. The end. My favoured back line would also be Wilko Ryan Huth Higgy
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 12:01:36 GMT
Post by bunnyscfc on Sept 25, 2011 12:01:36 GMT
Wilko - Shawcross - Huth - Wilson (possibly Higgy) Upson as first reserve, Woodgate clear fourth choice. The end. My favoured back line would also be Wilko Ryan Huth Higgy so would mine, but Woodgate playing brings Whelan into the game. Woody set up most of our attacks yesterday by passing to midfielders or full backs, summat neither Ryan/Huthy do. I can see your defence working away from home, but with Woody playing at home instead of Huthy from time to time. Woodgate is different gravy on the ball to everyone else, apart from Upson. What is great is that Ryan is getting a superb education from Huth, Upson and Woodgate.
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 12:13:02 GMT
Post by werrington on Sept 25, 2011 12:13:02 GMT
My favoured back line would also be Wilko Ryan Huth Higgy so would mine, but Woodgate playing brings Whelan into the game. Woody set up most of our attacks yesterday by passing to midfielders or full backs, summat neither Ryan/Huthy do. I can see your defence working away from home, but with Woody playing at home instead of Huthy from time to time. Woodgate is different gravy on the ball to everyone else, apart from Upson. What is great is that Ryan is getting a superb education from Huth, Upson and Woodgate. I agree with all of that Bunny......Woodgate certainly is a " footballing " centre half and a lot of our play started with him yesterday and he never panicked once in posession
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 12:14:37 GMT
Post by march4 on Sept 25, 2011 12:14:37 GMT
Wasn't the Giggs chance at the end solely down to the fact that Huth had been drawn into the centre? Please stop playing him at fullback please Tone. Huth was marking Owen and was responding to a mistake by Ryan who had lost his man. If you want to be hypercritical you could look at how the cross came to start with.
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 12:29:09 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 25, 2011 12:29:09 GMT
Don't get me wrong Woodgate is a fantastic footballer who could most probably slot easily into a top four side but on the strict 'Higgy' test, that a defenders primary function is to defend, I have him fouth on the list after Shawcross, Huth and Upson.
I don't expect to be in the majority on this one, just the way I've seen things so far.
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twinny
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Ooh Andy Andy...
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 12:40:46 GMT
Post by twinny on Sept 25, 2011 12:40:46 GMT
Woodgate is a good ball playing CB in the mould of Alan Hansen (though I'm too young to have seen Hansen play). For me, Shawcross was decent yesterday but made a couple of mistakes, in particular playing Hernandez onside and compounding the error by running forward as the ball was played leaving Woodgate to make that saving tackle where he could have been off depending on the referee's interpretation.
Shawcross and Huth are probably more solid in terms of keeping the gate shut, but the other two offer more going forward for me, Upson is a very big threat a set pieces. Who to play depends on the opposition really but I imagine (fear) Huth might be gone in January, hopefully not to an English club.
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Wilko
Sept 25, 2011 12:41:42 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2011 12:41:42 GMT
Don't get me wrong Woodgate is a fantastic footballer who could most probably slot easily into a top four side but on the strict 'Higgy' test, that a defenders primary function is to defend, I have him fouth on the list after Shawcross, Huth and Upson. I don't expect to be in the majority on this one, just the way I've seen things so far. Totally agree Momo.
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