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Post by PotterLog on Mar 19, 2011 1:53:03 GMT
...Witnesses. I struck a blow for the irritable atheist in a hurry the other day. I was on holiday in Cuba and at this nice little street market. I got chatting to this market trader and told him I lived in Chile and that and we chewed the fat for a little while. I bought a couple of things and then as I walked off this other trader at another stall called me over. He said he'd overheard my conversation and he was interested in what I thought of Chile etc etc, so I stood talking to him for a little while too. Suddenly he says "do you have faith in God?" I told him it was a funny thing to ask out of the blue and he told me he was a Jehovah's Witness. After my initial panic and the obligatory anxious look around to see who could save me from the predicament, I relaxed and thought "fuck it, I'm on holiday." I was in no rush so I decided to shoot the shit for a bit with the guy (who was a very nice chap). After every point he made, I calmly explained why I thought it was nonsense. We argued a bit about science, he demanded answers for how the universe began, I told him the "monkeys and typewriters" analogy, he disputed the theory of evolution and the existence of dinosaurs, he tried to convince me that design was the only answer. He committed the classic errors of confusing cause and effect and told me sweet anecdotes that proved the existence of God. I told him very plainly how his logic was flawed. After a bit, as we talked, a few other tourists began to approach his stall and pick little trinkets up curiously. His gaze began to flit away from mine and over my shoulder to the potential clients, but every time this happened I said something like "ok, answer me this..." or "so you believe that..." At one point he attempted a step towards a couple who were eyeing up some wood carving or other - I casually shifted my weight and blocked his path. Every time I managed to draw his attention back to our little debate with some contentious statement or other, his attention torn between his obligation to spread the word of the Lord and the tourist dollar fast flowing away from his market stall... This little cat-and-mouse game went on for a few minutes, until eventually, to my utter delight, he anxiously looked at his watch and said... "anyway, great to talk to you friend, but I... errr... I must be getting along now..."  And away I walked. A blow struck back! It might only be a consolation goal, but a goal it was. |
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 19, 2011 2:14:59 GMT
"Disputed the existence of dinosaurs" Always a classic that one ;D I wonder what they think these are then?  |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 19, 2011 2:17:23 GMT
My only ever genuine encounter with Jovos was when I first started working at Bargain, the manager and assistant manager were both fairly ardent. One evening we started having a bit of a discussion about philosophy and it carried on for well over two and a half hours. I was all for it because it meant I got to chat to them, drink tea and smoke cigs while the guy I was on the shift with had to do all my work, and I still got paid for my share.  They really are hardcore bashers though, I'm not a supporter of forceful evangelisation and they take every single word of the Old Testament literally. I was actually shocked at how literally they took it. The only other time I've been in contact with them was when one came knocking, I simply said "I'm not interested, sorry" and closed the door on him. Easy to get rid of as that. In fact I'm pretty sure that was the most exercise I had that day, so I suppose I should be fairly thankful to him. |
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Post by One-Two on Mar 19, 2011 2:31:38 GMT
Last time I had one call round was on my 18th. At first I was quite excited, but when I realised it wasn't some kind of novelty "Jehovah-gram" for my birthday, I was massively let down.
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Mar 19, 2011 5:26:19 GMT
I just ask they to hold on a minute when they knock and go grab my copy of the Satanic bible and preach right back at the wankers. If you use an angry enough voice and throw in a bit of random growling, they soon shit their knickers and piss off.
Bible bashing wankers!
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Post by Northy on Mar 19, 2011 6:40:55 GMT
we just tell the we are catholics and also if I hadn't had a blood transfusion as a baby I wouldn't be talking to him now, so go forth and multiply. nice story PL, it wasn't Mumf was it he was in Cuba recently  |
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Post by Arthurdollar on Mar 19, 2011 7:17:05 GMT
I had one knock on my door the other week, being a bit bored i invited him in and i made him a brew. I said right youth what do you want to talk about.?? He said fuck knows i anna got this far before.  The old uns are the best. |
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Post by frasier45 on Mar 19, 2011 7:35:53 GMT
You Meeting him was gods way of giving you chance to repent You failed He doesn't need toprove himself The signs are all ready there to see that He's coming And coming soon Mountains will be shook to the level of the sea Only believers souls will be saved I hank yo ;D |
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Mar 19, 2011 8:33:25 GMT
I know Christians who don't believe I. Dinosaurs, think the world is 4000 years old and if they could get away with it probably say that the world is flat.
As for taking the old testament literally, I assume that they don't wear more than one type of cotton in their clothes.
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Post by robdog on Mar 19, 2011 13:00:34 GMT
some of the young lady witnesses(18+) look quite fit. and no sex before marriage. rip for having their back doors smashed in
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Post by banburypotter on Mar 19, 2011 20:54:40 GMT
i'm a jehovahs bystander, its like a witness, but i dont to get involved
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 10:09:56 GMT
It's dead easy being a Jehovah (or any religious denomination).
Because it's all based on belief without any actual proof or evidence you just deal with anything evidential or factual which goes against your belief system by ignoring it or pretending it's fake, made up, part of a conspiracy to discredit religion and on you go.
Try it - just reply "it's wrong" or "it's made up" to anything which has been scientifically proved.
Evolution - "it's wrong"; dinosaurs - "made up models"; carbon-dated fossil evidence - "the labs' processes always get it wrong"; human beings around for more than 6,000 years - "a conspiracy to discredit the Bible" etc etc.
It's like trying to argue with RMB72 ;D
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Post by frasier45 on Mar 20, 2011 11:39:41 GMT
You're wrong |
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 20, 2011 15:10:54 GMT
You're wrong Are you collating all your proof and evidence as we speak? I can't wait to see it. |
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Post by crowey on Mar 20, 2011 15:21:18 GMT
My missus invited them in once (locals) - never again. Saw them as patients, entirely different matter. Fortunately/unfortunately never had time to discuss evolution. Blood transfusions were on the Advance Health Directive
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 17:01:32 GMT
You're wrong Yep, works every time Btw, that wasn't you at the front of the South Stand yesterday was it? During the minute's silence some bloke on his phone: "Yeah, there's a minute's silence...(pause, then slightly louder)...it's quiet cos there's a minute's silence....yeah, for Japan". Cue several dozen people turning round in disbelief  |
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Post by neoisd1 on Mar 21, 2011 15:37:07 GMT
"Disputed the existence of dinosaurs" Always a classic that one ;D I wonder what they think these are then?  |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 21, 2011 16:51:12 GMT
Copy/paste effort here from Google;
"This information is taken from the Watchtower societies own published material. The Genesis Account and Dinosaurs
While the radioactive dating method is innovative, it is still based on speculation and assumption. In contrast, the Bible account in the first chapter of Genesis simply states the general order of creation. It allows for possibly thousands of millions of years for the formation of the earth and many millenniums in six creative eras, or �days,� to prepare the earth for human habitation.
Some dinosaurs (and pterosaurs) may indeed have been created in the fifth era listed in Genesis, when the Bible says that God made �flying creatures� and �great sea monsters.� Perhaps other types of dinosaurs were created in the sixth epoch. The vast array of dinosaurs with their huge appetites would have been appropriate considering the abundant vegetation that evidently existed in their time.�Genesis 1:20-24.
When the dinosaurs had fulfilled their purpose, God ended their life. But the Bible is silent on how he did that or when. We can be sure that dinosaurs were created by Jehovah for a purpose, even if we do not fully understand that purpose at this time. They were no mistake, no product of evolution. That they suddenly appear in the fossil record unconnected to any fossil ancestors, and also disappear without leaving connecting fossil links, is evidence against the view that such animals gradually evolved over millions of years of time. Thus, the fossil record does not support the evolution theory. Instead, it harmonizes with the Bible�s view of creative acts of God."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2011 18:47:38 GMT
Copy/paste effort here from Google; "This information is taken from the Watchtower societies own published material. The Genesis Account and Dinosaurs While the radioactive dating method is innovative, it is still based on speculation and assumption. In contrast, the Bible account in the first chapter of Genesis simply states the general order of creation. It allows for possibly thousands of millions of years for the formation of the earth and many millenniums in six creative eras, or �days,� to prepare the earth for human habitation. Some dinosaurs (and pterosaurs) may indeed have been created in the fifth era listed in Genesis, when the Bible says that God made �flying creatures� and �great sea monsters.� Perhaps other types of dinosaurs were created in the sixth epoch. The vast array of dinosaurs with their huge appetites would have been appropriate considering the abundant vegetation that evidently existed in their time.�Genesis 1:20-24. When the dinosaurs had fulfilled their purpose, God ended their life. But the Bible is silent on how he did that or when. We can be sure that dinosaurs were created by Jehovah for a purpose, even if we do not fully understand that purpose at this time. They were no mistake, no product of evolution. That they suddenly appear in the fossil record unconnected to any fossil ancestors, and also disappear without leaving connecting fossil links, is evidence against the view that such animals gradually evolved over millions of years of time. Thus, the fossil record does not support the evolution theory. Instead, it harmonizes with the Bible�s view of creative acts of God." I think that last bit is why Richard Dawkins goes absolutely mental about this shit! |
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Mar 21, 2011 18:47:55 GMT
The genesis account must be read in the context that it was written, it's written in the style of a poem and in it's original form, actually rhymes as does much of the Torah. The purpose of genesis was to remind the Jewish people that contrary to the myths surrounding creation at the time (that it was an accident basically) that creation was orderly and that what was created was essentially good, genesis underlines that all things created were good and that humans were particularly good.
So, god created the world, in an orderly way and had a rest as well (is the point the author is trying to make)
Dinosaurs did exist and the earth is more than 4000 years old
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 21, 2011 18:50:47 GMT
The genesis account must be read in the context that it was written, it's written in the style of a poem and in it's original form, actually rhymes as does much of the Torah. The purpose of genesis was to remind the Jewish people that contrary to the myths surrounding creation at the time (that it was an accident basically) that creation was orderly and that what was created was essentially good, genesis underlines that all things created were good and that humans were particularly good. So, god created the world, in an orderly way and had a rest as well (is the point the author is trying to make) You forgot the most important part - that it's all fiction. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2011 18:55:31 GMT
Dinosaurs did exist and the earth is more than 4000 years old No shit, Sherlock! |
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Mar 21, 2011 19:01:11 GMT
If you undersold my point you would realise that I'm saying genesis doesn't try to say dinosaurs didn't exist
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Mar 21, 2011 19:01:45 GMT
Understood
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Post by Orbs on Mar 21, 2011 19:14:20 GMT
What if God "invented" evolution?
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Post by salopstick on Mar 21, 2011 19:21:04 GMT
What if God "invented" evolution? ??? you would still be a cunt |
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Mar 21, 2011 19:21:18 GMT
Evolution not revolution, we evolve not revolve ...partridge, a, 20??
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 21, 2011 19:22:44 GMT
What if God "invented" evolution? ??? That's the Roman Catholic belief. |
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Post by Orbs on Mar 21, 2011 19:28:40 GMT
What if God "invented" evolution? ??? you would still be a cunt ;D ;D |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 21, 2011 19:31:11 GMT
If you undersold my point you would realise that I'm saying genesis doesn't try to say dinosaurs didn't exist I understood your point fine cheers duck. My point is that I don't really care what it says in Genesis. |
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