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Post by french toast on Mar 7, 2011 21:16:48 GMT
well you criticize everything the great man does. obviously you know best! THE GREAT MAN !!!! ;D ;D ;D now that is funny,Winston Churchill was a great man,in football Fergie is a great man. Pulis ! you're having a fucking laugh ! what a fool you are. if you were a manure fan you would have wanted fergie sacking in 1990 along with the other cunts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 21:41:25 GMT
If Pulis got us into a European final would you be on here saying he "got lucky"? He won the league cup (the first Englishman to win a trophy in a decade), he got them to a European final, and his time at Boro was a mixed bag. Some shit, some good. Never finished below 14th, finished 7th one season, got them into Europe twice. come off it, he did get lucky. and hes also a grade A prick. He got lucky every season he was there, in the league cup and in Europe? And then in the Dutch League? Is this all because he was a shit England manager? If we were 4-0 down in a game, do you think Tone would rescue it?
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Post by french toast on Mar 7, 2011 21:47:15 GMT
come off it, he did get lucky. and hes also a grade A prick. He got lucky every season he was there, in the league cup and in Europe? And then in the Dutch League? Is this all because he was a shit England manager? If we were 4-0 down in a game, do you think Tone would rescue it? did i say every season? i was on about his success in europe. it has fuck all to do with england, im on about him as a club manager. the only succesfull spell he had imho was in the dutch league. dont try and make out that im twisted in my views because he was an awful england number one. THAT ISNT THE CASE
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 21:51:45 GMT
He got lucky every season he was there, in the league cup and in Europe? And then in the Dutch League? Is this all because he was a shit England manager? If we were 4-0 down in a game, do you think Tone would rescue it? did i say every season? i was on about his success in europe. it has fuck all to do with england, im on about him as a club manager. the only succesfull spell he had imho was in the dutch league. dont try and make out that im twisted in my views because he was an awful england number one. THAT ISNT THE CASE I wasn't making anything out, it's just that you have the odd funny turn when it comes to England Like you yourself were saying in defence of Pulis on a thread the other day, in the cup you can only beat what's it front of you, and his team did. He gambled and it paid off. I don't see how his spell at Boro was unsuccessful when he never finished below 14th, finished as high as 7th, won one domestic cup and got to a European final. If TP did that here lots of us, probably me included, would want a statue built of him.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 7, 2011 21:54:06 GMT
Allardyce, MON, McClaren....
Good managers out of work who could be attracted to Stoke.
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Post by stokeramblers on Mar 7, 2011 21:56:04 GMT
Allardyce, MON, McClaren.... Good managers out of work who could be attracted to Stoke. Allardyce would be good, I dont think ONeill would like our prudent transfer policy. Big Sam does put a value on youth players too, might bring some of our on a bit and get some decent ones in
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 7, 2011 21:57:53 GMT
People come on here day after day offering their opinion on the poor football we play at the moment and then offer Sam Allardyce as a potential replacement. Unbelievable.
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Post by stokeramblers on Mar 7, 2011 21:59:18 GMT
People come on here day after day offering their opinion on the poor football we play at the moment and then offer Sam Allardyce as a potential replacement. Unbelievable. ;D I dont think weve got the players to bring in a 'football' manager though. Baby steps
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Post by french toast on Mar 7, 2011 22:00:29 GMT
did i say every season? i was on about his success in europe. it has fuck all to do with england, im on about him as a club manager. the only succesfull spell he had imho was in the dutch league. dont try and make out that im twisted in my views because he was an awful england number one. THAT ISNT THE CASE I wasn't making anything out, it's just that you have the odd funny turn when it comes to England Like you yourself were saying in defence of Pulis on a thread the other day, in the cup you can only beat what's it front of you, and his team did. He gambled and it paid off. I don't see how his spell at Boro was unsuccessful when he never finished below 14th, finished as high as 7th, won one domestic cup and got to a European final. If TP did that here lots of us, probably me included, would want a statue built of him. i see your point, but at boro he was one of the biggest spenders in the league, so thats why i see it as an under achievement, (i would say the same about pulis, and will depending on where we end the season) in europe i still see him as being lucky, but i can see it from the gamble that paid off view. i will never forgive mcclaren for what he did with england BUT i can seperate him as a club manager to what he did with our national team and i wouldnt let that affect my judgement.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 22:00:40 GMT
People come on here day after day offering their opinion on the poor football we play at the moment and then offer Sam Allardyce as a potential replacement. Unbelievable. Allardyce is capable of incorporating flair and evolving to an extent though. Plus, I think it's not so much that the football is terrible on its own, but that its terrible and ineffective at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 22:04:32 GMT
I wasn't making anything out, it's just that you have the odd funny turn when it comes to England Like you yourself were saying in defence of Pulis on a thread the other day, in the cup you can only beat what's it front of you, and his team did. He gambled and it paid off. I don't see how his spell at Boro was unsuccessful when he never finished below 14th, finished as high as 7th, won one domestic cup and got to a European final. If TP did that here lots of us, probably me included, would want a statue built of him. i see your point, but at boro he was one of the biggest spenders in the league, so thats why i see it as an under achievement, (i would say the same about pulis, and will depending on where we end the season) in europe i still see him as being lucky, but i can see it from the gamble that paid off view. i will never forgive mcclaren for what he did with england BUT i can seperate him as a club manager to what he did with our national team and i wouldnt let that affect my judgement. It could be argued that he needed to spend big, like we have, to keep their head above the parapet. He's a pretty decent club manager. Not many English managers win trophies.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 7, 2011 22:05:44 GMT
People come on here day after day offering their opinion on the poor football we play at the moment and then offer Sam Allardyce as a potential replacement. Unbelievable. Allardyce is capable of incorporating flair and evolving to an extent though. Plus, I think it's not so much that the football is terrible on its own, but that its terrible and ineffective at the same time. How do you think that comment would go down with fans of Blackburn and Newcastle?? Our style of play is shite, no doubt, but no worse than the dross served up by his Blackburn team. Has there been a more toothless team come to the Brit over the last three years??
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 7, 2011 22:06:28 GMT
He sounds more Dutch than Jimmy Floyd Bottlebank!
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Post by french toast on Mar 7, 2011 22:08:06 GMT
i see your point, but at boro he was one of the biggest spenders in the league, so thats why i see it as an under achievement, (i would say the same about pulis, and will depending on where we end the season) in europe i still see him as being lucky, but i can see it from the gamble that paid off view. i will never forgive mcclaren for what he did with england BUT i can seperate him as a club manager to what he did with our national team and i wouldnt let that affect my judgement. It could be argued that he needed to spend big, like we have, to keep their head above the parapet. He's a pretty decent club manager. Not many English managers win trophies. were boro not already established in the premiership? the money he spent i think they should have been pushing the top 6 every season
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Post by french toast on Mar 7, 2011 22:09:06 GMT
He sounds more Dutch than Jimmy Floyd Bottlebank! he does ;D ;d he keeps missing words like 'and' out of sentences
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 7, 2011 22:11:40 GMT
He sounds more Dutch than Jimmy Floyd Bottlebank! he does ;D ;d he keeps missing words like 'and' out of sentences He appears to be wearing far too much make-up as well! I loved it when he utters the immortal words "Champions League" without the merest hint of a smirk on his face!
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Post by mayf on Mar 7, 2011 22:15:01 GMT
all said and done his record apart from the England thing isn't bad at all overall.....but he's such a twat !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 22:17:04 GMT
Allardyce is capable of incorporating flair and evolving to an extent though. Plus, I think it's not so much that the football is terrible on its own, but that its terrible and ineffective at the same time. How do you think that comment would go down with fans of Blackburn and Newcastle?? Our style of play is shite, no doubt, but no worse than the dross served up by his Blackburn team. Has there been a more toothless team come to the Brit over the last three years?? Would Newcastle have been relegated had he left? How's life treating Blackburn at the moment? He wasn't given time at Newcastle and had very little cash to work with at Blackburn. Don't like him as a bloke but he's a decent manager and he tried to incorporate flair players into his teams more than TP has been prepared to so far.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 22:18:15 GMT
It could be argued that he needed to spend big, like we have, to keep their head above the parapet. He's a pretty decent club manager. Not many English managers win trophies. were boro not already established in the premiership? the money he spent i think they should have been pushing the top 6 every season They were relegation fodder. The useless Bryan Robson had them yo-yoing, Terry Venables came in and kept them up when they looked for all the world to be going down.
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Post by french toast on Mar 7, 2011 22:25:46 GMT
were boro not already established in the premiership? the money he spent i think they should have been pushing the top 6 every season They were relegation fodder. The useless Bryan Robson had them yo-yoing, Terry Venables came in and kept them up when they looked for all the world to be going down. from what i remember they stayed up for about 3 seasons, finished around 10-15th until venables took charge in the relegation battle where he kept them up. they still had a good team
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 7, 2011 22:28:28 GMT
How do you think that comment would go down with fans of Blackburn and Newcastle?? Our style of play is shite, no doubt, but no worse than the dross served up by his Blackburn team. Has there been a more toothless team come to the Brit over the last three years?? Would Newcastle have been relegated had he left? How's life treating Blackburn at the moment? He wasn't given time at Newcastle and had very little cash to work with at Blackburn. Don't like him as a bloke but he's a decent manager and he tried to incorporate flair players into his teams more than TP has been prepared to so far. The football would be no different with Allardyce (or even O` Neil). Its one long ball merchant for another. I would argue that until recently Pulis has found room for flair with Fuller, Etherington, and Tuncay. There were no tears shed when he left Newcastle or Blackburn Rob and you know it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 22:35:08 GMT
They had a couple of mid-table seasons after promotion, looking at it, fair play.
Doesn't take away from McClaren winning a cup and getting them to a European final. For a club of their size that's a good effort.
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Post by french toast on Mar 7, 2011 22:37:25 GMT
They had a couple of mid-table seasons after promotion, looking at it, fair play. Doesn't take away from McClaren winning a cup and getting them to a European final. For a club of their size that's a good effort. well i for one dont want some dope smoking dutch man in charge of stoke ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 22:39:48 GMT
Would Newcastle have been relegated had he left? How's life treating Blackburn at the moment? He wasn't given time at Newcastle and had very little cash to work with at Blackburn. Don't like him as a bloke but he's a decent manager and he tried to incorporate flair players into his teams more than TP has been prepared to so far. The football would be no different with Allardyce (or even O` Neil). Its one long ball merchant for another. I would argue that until recently Pulis has found room for flair with Fuller, Etherington, and Tuncay. There were no tears shed when he left Newcastle or Blackburn Rob and you know it. Well O'Neill, while direct, is a firm believer in 1) Pace and 2) Having some ability in midfield - He'd be more like Lou than Pulis. Blackburn fans were divided when Allardyce left. Newcastle fans were gald to see him go. Were they glad to be relegated at the end of that season? At Bolton he was direct, physical, used a bloke with a long throw. But he also used players like Okocha, Djorkaeff, Stelios etc. "Until recently" is the key part of that sentence isn't it? Things were fine and then he inexplicably stopped.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Mar 8, 2011 8:16:44 GMT
He's part Dutch, part German and part Yorkshire.
He's one of a kind.
Yesh this is true.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Mar 8, 2011 10:15:19 GMT
Id love him at Stoke. You can imagine a post match interview 3 weeks in. Sky: Well Steve a decent victory how are you settling in at Stoke? SM: Dust ere yoth, iconner beylayve ar didner think o cummin eyre sewner! Its buzzin ere, the fans are mint and t'pies purra rayle linin on thee belly. Sky: pardon? ;D
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