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KJ
Feb 19, 2011 22:12:10 GMT
Post by fca47 on Feb 19, 2011 22:12:10 GMT
I agree OnionBag, this is starting to feel like a witchhunt. FFS give him a break. It is really going to help someone who is having a hard time to be barracked every time he touches the ball. We are supposed to be supporters, where's the support, only criticism.
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KJ
Feb 19, 2011 22:12:28 GMT
Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 19, 2011 22:12:28 GMT
He's got to much skill and ability however at the moment he looks lazy and unintrested. Somewhere inside there is a top player of that I have no doubt.
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KJ
Feb 20, 2011 4:44:49 GMT
Post by Meggsy on Feb 20, 2011 4:44:49 GMT
The fact is that he has been playing some dire football at the moment. I was speaking to a Sunderland supporting mate of mine last week and he said that you need to look further than the striker and what else he brings, he said that Kenwyne was one of the best defenders they had at set pieces.
Fair play he is useful at the back but that is why we have got centre backs. Where is the lads pace, he looks to be in a world of his own all the time.
If what is being said on here that he has got personal problems away from football then he needs to be given time out to sort those out before he plays another game.
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KJ
Feb 20, 2011 7:56:00 GMT
Post by eltel60 on Feb 20, 2011 7:56:00 GMT
Need to get behind him. Should not boo or jeer anybody in a Stoke shirt. If you are a Stoke Supporter. The clue is the word SUPPORTER. The guy is low on confidence so needs to be cheered to help boost this in mho. If you want him to be useless tosser keep on jeering. The guy could score a wonder goal and some would still boo.For years Stoke supporters like to have a boo boy. But I honestly thought now that the media call us some of the best fans in the land. We had risen above this need to have a Boo boy. Even if Quasi Modo is in a Stoke shirt get behind him.
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KJ
Feb 20, 2011 8:10:51 GMT
Post by lordb on Feb 20, 2011 8:10:51 GMT
I think its more than just confidence &/or any attitude problem.
I think KJ juts doesnt know what he's doing in our side,i.e. he cant play the GNW/Mama role that TP demands.
when he plays right up top he instantly looks better
however even so & yes we shouldnt have a witchunt but much of it is hiw own making. If he just puts himself out a bit the crowd will warm to him.
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KJ
Feb 20, 2011 8:23:51 GMT
Post by Winge on Feb 20, 2011 8:23:51 GMT
I think its more than just confidence &/or any attitude problem. I think KJ juts doesnt know what he's doing in our side,i.e. he cant play the GNW/Mama role that TP demands. when he plays right up top he instantly looks better however even so & yes we shouldnt have a witchunt but much of it is hiw own making. If he just puts himself out a bit the crowd will warm to him. I think he thinks the fans don't like him ..... he came to Stoke and scored a couple of goals but still no song for him. Carew comes on loan and the fans are singing songs only after a couple of games ..... i would feel the same, a bit low and left out tbh
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KJ
Feb 20, 2011 8:24:36 GMT
Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 20, 2011 8:24:36 GMT
I didn't hear any booing of him yesterday not when he came on. All I could hear was mass sighs of frustration when he lost the ball. Sometimes you ave to fight to get the fans behind you look at Walters. It's more frustrating when you have have a player you know has the ability and just looks like he's been lazy than one who doesn't have the skill but works his socks off and doesn't hide.
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KJ
Feb 20, 2011 9:18:40 GMT
Post by alster on Feb 20, 2011 9:18:40 GMT
I think its more than just confidence &/or any attitude problem. I think KJ juts doesnt know what he's doing in our side,i.e. he cant play the GNW/Mama role that TP demands. when he plays right up top he instantly looks better however even so & yes we shouldnt have a witchunt but much of it is hiw own making. If he just puts himself out a bit the crowd will warm to him. I'm certain there is some degree of truth in what you're putting forward Kenwyne does not just look idle and disinterested he looks confused. Confused as to what his role is. I struggle to understand the benefit of having your best header of the ball so deep that he's never in the box when he needs to be exept for set pieces. I honestly believe this deep lying targetman role is a complete white elephant.
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KJ
Feb 20, 2011 9:24:31 GMT
Post by sportsman on Feb 20, 2011 9:24:31 GMT
I like how he usually paired with Carew lately. The ball is then played above head height to him to jump for it and win the flick on.
For what purpose?
For the 'pace' of Carew to run onto?
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KJ
Feb 20, 2011 9:26:11 GMT
Post by apb1 on Feb 20, 2011 9:26:11 GMT
It's a real pity, after he's scored a couple of very useful goals, that he seems just useless now. Walters, on the other hand, is turning out better than his initial displays suggested. He's a real diamond to have in the squad, and the header for his goal was true quality.
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KJ
Feb 20, 2011 9:34:10 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 9:34:10 GMT
I like how he usually paired with Carew lately. The ball is then played above head height to him to jump for it and win the flick on. For what purpose? For the 'pace' of Carew to run onto? Agree with this its crazy. KJ's whole demenour suggests he is really unhappy. Now whether thats a footballing matter or a personal matter is another thing altogether. One things for sure the player who started for Stoke in August is long gone. He looks shot to me, a player totally lacking in self belief and confidence. I would pursue Carew and Fuller in the short term and pull KJ out of the firing line. As much as Tunny was inconsistent it makes the decsion to let him leave look all the more ridiculous.
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KJ
Feb 20, 2011 9:46:12 GMT
Post by elystokie on Feb 20, 2011 9:46:12 GMT
I like how he usually paired with Carew lately. The ball is then played above head height to him to jump for it and win the flick on. For what purpose? For the 'pace' of Carew to run onto? Agree with this its crazy. KJ's whole demenour suggests he is really unhappy. Now whether thats a footballing matter or a personal matter is another thing altogether. One things for sure the player who started for Stoke in August is long gone. He looks shot to me, a player totally lacking in self belief and confidence. I would pursue Carew and Fuller in the short term and pull KJ out of the firing line. As much as Tunny was inconsistent it makes the decsion to let him leave look all the more ridiculous. Agreed Quite startling that we let Tunny go for half of what we paid for KJ, even the most ardent football hater must be able to see that in the last 2 or 3 months at the very least Tunny bought far more to the table than KJ looks interested in doing. That said, I hope someone can unlock the potential that's certainly there and that he 'does a Walters' and proves the critics wrong, not looking likely on recent showings tho'
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KJ
Feb 20, 2011 10:51:24 GMT
Post by roylandstoke on Feb 20, 2011 10:51:24 GMT
Not only is Jones a good footballer, he also has the attributes to play in our somewhat unique style.
He is going through a poor spell and seems to be lacking confidence. He needs support and encouragement. That is what supporters are supposed to give.
Rooney and Torres have both been struggling for form for longer than Kennwyne, are they both shite and lazy?
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KJ
Feb 20, 2011 11:03:08 GMT
Post by serpico on Feb 20, 2011 11:03:08 GMT
I have some sympathy for Kenwyne, in fact, i have sympathy for any striker in a TP team, chances are scant and service is pretty poor, unless you can get on the end of a set piece your chances of scoring are very low, Fuller can produce moments of individual quality, but Kenwyne doesn't have that in his locker.
The one thing that bugs me about Kenwyne is this, yesterday he lost the ball due to poor control, yet he never tried to win the ball back, he just ambled off, if he continues to do this it won't be long until he's getting booed off the pitch, he needs to get himself into gear, he got an unbelievable deal when he signed for us, you'd think that would buy you a player who was at least willing to track back after losing the ball.
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