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Post by gilberto on Nov 17, 2010 20:42:34 GMT
here's one of oscroft in action...  |
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Nov 17, 2010 21:06:05 GMT
OS - happy days, eh!! Further to the George Kelly - after some research, I agree yes he did come from Aberdeen. Joe Hutton came from Ayr United, in the same deal that brought Bobby Cairns down here. Ironically, Cairns was the 'makeweight' in the deal, although I think we can agree that his contribution to the team was eventually greater than Hutton's. Here's a tester for you! Can you recall Johnny McCue finding a hole in the pitch - a damaged land drain it turned out to be, I think. It was at the Stoke End, at the Butler Street corner of the penalty area, and play was stopped after McCue's foot went in up to his ankle!! ;D Finally, re Tim Coleman's seven goals - who scored the eigth? Twas indeed Jonnny King. Other players I recall from the late 50s. Wilf Hall (Bill Robertson's understudy), Joe? Hutchinson, Tony Bentley, . Last I heard of Tony Allen he was living in the Blythe Bridge area ,he did run a newsagents there ,but I think he retired some years ago. |
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 17, 2010 23:33:09 GMT
Anybody remember Bill Bentley? He's a window cleaner round Florence and Dresden now. He cleans my daughter's windows.
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Post by magwitch on Nov 18, 2010 11:20:13 GMT
Bill Bentley as I recall emerged in the sixties as a possible successor to Tony Allen at left back. He was capped for England at youth level but lacked pace for the left back position and height for centrehalf. Then Pejic came on the scene and Bentley was sold to another club...one of the Lancashire clubs I think.
Another player not yet mentioned on this thread is Andy Graver, a centreforward bought to replace Johnny King. He looked good at first but failed to stay the course, then Denis Wilshaw was bought from Wolves and Peter Bullock came through the youth team. It is interesting to reflect that our Mr Pulis regards players of 23 as 'kids' but Bullock was playing for the first team and scoring goals at the age of 16. At that age he looked like England's answer to Pele, but he was injured (cracked shinbone) in a tackle by Moran of Liverpool and never fully regained his confidence, although the injury was not that serious.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 18, 2010 12:20:59 GMT
Bentley went to Blackpool after Stoke, I think - following in the steps of Matthews years earlier. Dennis Wilshaw lived over the road from me and I used to cut his lawn for him after he broke his leg at Newcastle - an injury which went on to end his career. It was, of course, Wilshaw who suggested to Waddo that he get Matthews back from Blackpool as a way of rejuvenating interest in the club. Waddo obliged and we got the fee back for Matthews in the increased gate receipts for his first match - the gate went up from under 10k to about 37k, from memory - and I was there!  |
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 18, 2010 14:17:32 GMT
Bentley went to Blackpool after Stoke, I think - following in the steps of Matthews years earlier. Dennis Wilshaw lived over the road from me and I used to cut his lawn for him after he broke his leg at Newcastle - an injury which went on to end his career. It was, of course, Wilshaw who suggested to Waddo that he get Matthews back from Blackpool as a way of rejuvenating interest in the club. Waddo obliged and we got the fee back for Matthews in the increased gate receipts for his first match - the gate went up from under 10k to about 37k, from memory - and I was there! Weren't we all, John? M. |
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Post by magwitch on Nov 18, 2010 16:14:37 GMT
The first match that Matthew's played after Waddo brought him back was against Huddersfield Town at the Vic, as I remember. He was marked by Ray Wilson, the leftback who took over from Tony Allen in the England team. Ray Wilson was probably one of the finest fullbacks ever to play for England, but Matthews even at 46 got the better of him several times.
That was in 1961, and was a second division match with Waddington desperately trying to revive the club after years of slow decline under Frank Taylor.
Yes Forno, I believe it was Denis Wilshaw who gave Waddington the idea to bring Stan back from Blackpool. Denis Wilshaw incredibly played for England whilst playing football as a part-timer for Wolves. In fact I was in a class at school which was taught mathematics and games by him in 1955, during which season he played against Scotland at Wembley and scored 4 goals. Still a record, I believe. On monday morning assembly following this feat, the headmaster congratulated him on behalf of the school then got on with the rest of the announcements. People were not star struck in those days to the extent they are today.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Nov 18, 2010 20:18:29 GMT
Bill Bentley went to St. Gregory's school in Longton , Denis Smith went to Queensbury school in Longton . There was a lot of rivalry between the 2 schools as to who was the better player . I remember once they played each other at Longton Park and there was about 1,000 watching , Bentley scored from about 35 yards , but Denis was man of the match.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 22:41:14 GMT
does anyone have any stoke city late 50's memorabilia apart from programmes they want to sell?
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Post by vickyground on Nov 19, 2010 0:55:01 GMT
The first match that Matthew's played after Waddo brought him back was against Huddersfield Town at the Vic, as I remember. He was marked by Ray Wilson, the leftback who took over from Tony Allen in the England team. Ray Wilson was probably one of the finest fullbacks ever to play for England, but Matthews even at 46 got the better of him several times. That was in 1961, and was a second division match with Waddington desperately trying to revive the club after years of slow decline under Frank Taylor. Yes Forno, I believe it was Denis Wilshaw who gave Waddington the idea to bring Stan back from Blackpool. Denis Wilshaw incredibly played for England whilst playing football as a part-timer for Wolves. In fact I was in a class at school which was taught mathematics and games by him in 1955, during which season he played against Scotland at Wembley and scored 4 goals. Still a record, I believe. On monday morning assembly following this feat, the headmaster congratulated him on behalf of the school then got on with the rest of the announcements. People were not star struck in those days to the extent they are today. Just out of interest. On Stan's first game back (yes I was there too) the centre forward was a young chap by the name of John Nibloe (hope I've spelled it right) He had only been signed a short while before the game and he did not last very long at Stoke, but I had a shock to find out only recently that shortly after leaving Stoke he tragically died in a car accident. How sad is that. |
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Post by magwitch on Nov 30, 2010 20:54:20 GMT
For those with an interest in football history, it is worth mentioning that the game against Scotland in 1955 when Denis Wilshaw scored 4 goals was also the debut of 18 year old Duncan Edwards, the youngest player ever to play for England until Owen broke the record about 45 years later.
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Post by shino on Nov 30, 2010 23:02:14 GMT
The first match that Matthew's played after Waddo brought him back was against Huddersfield Town at the Vic, as I remember. He was marked by Ray Wilson, the leftback who took over from Tony Allen in the England team. Ray Wilson was probably one of the finest fullbacks ever to play for England, but Matthews even at 46 got the better of him several times. That was in 1961, and was a second division match with Waddington desperately trying to revive the club after years of slow decline under Frank Taylor. Yes Forno, I believe it was Denis Wilshaw who gave Waddington the idea to bring Stan back from Blackpool. Denis Wilshaw incredibly played for England whilst playing football as a part-timer for Wolves. In fact I was in a class at school which was taught mathematics and games by him in 1955, during which season he played against Scotland at Wembley and scored 4 goals. Still a record, I believe. On monday morning assembly following this feat, the headmaster congratulated him on behalf of the school then got on with the rest of the announcements. People were not star struck in those days to the extent they are today. Magwitch, recalling a story told to me by a good friends Dad; he told me (and I am assuming he must have been a contemporary of yours at school) that during a games lesson he slid in a little too hard on his teacher causing an injury to his ankle - the teacher turning out to be Dennis Wilshaw who subsequently missed out on an England call up. My friend's Dad was not popular!!! Can you remember/confirm this?? |
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Post by magwitch on Dec 1, 2010 17:58:32 GMT
I can't recall this incident, Shino, but it may well be true. I do recall the school first eleven playing the teachers in 1955 when Wilshaw played for the teachers. It could have happened in this game, since I seem to remember that Wilshaw left to run the Stoke-on-Trent schools team shortly after that. It was during this spell that a number of players trained by Wilshaw (e.g. Marsh, Smith, Bloor et al) made it into the Stoke first team.
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Post by AlliG on Dec 1, 2010 22:13:39 GMT
Certainly do. He was one of the "big boys" (and in his case literally as he was built like a brick outhouse) when I started at St Gregorys. My Mum was a dinner lady there and used to give him seconds and thirds to keep his strength up. I remember him scoring an absolute stunner in a 3-3 draw with Coventry in 1968. Used to see him occasionally on a Sunday in St Gregorys church during his time at Blackpool. Unsurprisingly he seemed to keep a low profile when he went to play for the shower up the road. But seriously, in the late '70s I used to watch the Vale a lot when Stoke were away and despite being a bit short for a central defender, Bill was a class above most other players in the 4th Division. |
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Post by abbott77 on Sept 21, 2013 17:06:28 GMT
I lived next door to Harry Oscroft in the 1950s and concur whole heartedly with magwitchs comments. |
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Post by abbott77 on Sept 21, 2013 20:03:35 GMT
Harry Oscroft was one of the best left wingers in the country on his day. Very similar in style and build to the other Harry, Harry Burrows, he had a powerful left foot shot allied to devastating pace, and his direct style was perfect for the perfect longball distribution of Frank Bowyer. In those days he was subject to sliding tackles, poor pitches, and heavy leather balls but seldom seemed to be injured. In my opinion, Oscroft and Bowyer were the only two Stoke forwards in the mid-fifties who were good enough to play in the First Division. |
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Post by raven on Feb 5, 2014 15:40:46 GMT
Harry Oscroft joined us from Mansfield and was one of the best buys ever, after a good few years of service at the Victoria ground he joined the Vale along with Peter Ford in exchange for Dicky Cunliffe, he scored a hat trick for Vale in his last game and was given a free transfer. George Kelly joined us from Aberdeen and was a highly entertaining goal scoring inside forward, he was also a professional tennis player, and something very rare in those days for a footballer was a diabetic.
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Post by raven on Feb 5, 2014 15:41:07 GMT
Harry Oscroft joined us from Mansfield and was one of the best buys ever, after a good few years of service at the Victoria ground he joined the Vale along with Peter Ford in exchange for Dicky Cunliffe, he scored a hat trick for Vale in his last game and was given a free transfer. George Kelly joined us from Aberdeen and was a highly entertaining goal scoring inside forward, he was also a professional tennis player, and something very rare in those days for a footballer was a diabetic.
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Post by raven on Feb 14, 2014 16:11:40 GMT
Johnny King scored the 6th goal out of the 8 we scored against Lincoln
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Post by raven on Sept 17, 2014 8:05:25 GMT
Johnny King scored the 6th goal against Lincoln. Harry Oscroft joined us from Mansfield.
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Post by upandatem7 on Oct 2, 2015 16:58:21 GMT
Great player Oscroft, would push the ball one side of the full back and race past on the other side and collect the ball. A cannon ball shot for such a small fella. I was at the Lincoln City game , Johnny King scored at the Boothen end at the start of the second half, the fifth goal, while Tim Coleman helped himself to the other seven on a difficult pitch covered with a sprinkling of snow. Harry scored a goal I did not see when Middlesborough were leading 5-1 and I left with a minute to go very disappointed. He scored to make it 5-2
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