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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 7, 2010 13:49:18 GMT
has anybody got some good betting systems that give us more chance of winning? lots of people just hope for luck but some have a good system with good success rates anybody care to share them ???
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Post by Maccca100 on Sept 7, 2010 14:34:45 GMT
Back the teams who will win
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Post by Inverness Stokie on Sept 7, 2010 14:57:17 GMT
I normally do a 5 team accumulator.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2010 15:14:34 GMT
There is no secret mate, you always need that luck!!
It all depends on what your intentions are I suppose (and I don’t mean winning money!!).
If you want to gamble seriously and are prepared to risk big stakes then the way to do that is to pick 1 or 2 results that are (or what you would deem) “dead certs”. Man Utd home win against Blackpool and Chelsea home win against West Brom for example as a double. If you stuck £100 on that you’d probably only win £20 plus your stake back but if you can do that consistently over a period of time, the winnings add up. The problem is, there is no such thing as a “dead cert” in reality and every now and then you’ll slip up. It’s a high risk strategy for a small return. If you can win 4 or 5 bets on the trot then the chances are you have covered yourself if one bet does go wrong and you lose your stake. You will probably find that if you do this kind of betting over a long period of time you will be up. In theory anyway!
I just gamble for the fun of it and it makes games that would otherwise be insignificant, actually entertaining as the result matters to you. I used to do 6 fold accumulators and put £2 or £3 on. If it comes off you can win 2 or 3 hundred quid or more. The problem is, it hardly ever happens!!
I have since found a middle ground and now bet on trebles usually and stick a fiver on. You’ll find that you win more often. The more matches you put in the accumulator, the less often you will win.
I always steer clear of result/1st goal scorer combo’s as well (and other similar bets) as they are very difficult to get right!!
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Post by Mr Wheeze on Sept 7, 2010 15:16:18 GMT
Usually do 4 away team accumulators.
My only tips would be this....
1) Never back Stoke, Vale or Crewe 2) Let your missus who dont like football choose your teams. I won twice last season and on both occasions it was my missus that picked the teams!
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 7, 2010 15:25:39 GMT
There is no secret mate, you always need that luck!! It all depends on what your intentions are I suppose (and I don’t mean winning money!!). If you want to gamble seriously and are prepared to risk big stakes then the way to do that is to pick 1 or 2 results that are (or what you would deem) “dead certs”. Man Utd home win against Blackpool and Chelsea home win against West Brom for example as a double. If you stuck £100 on that you’d probably only win £20 plus your stake back but if you can do that consistently over a period of time, the winnings add up. The problem is, there is no such thing as a “dead cert” in reality and every now and then you’ll slip up. It’s a high risk strategy for a small return. If you can win 4 or 5 bets on the trot then the chances are you have covered yourself if one bet does go wrong and you lose your stake. You will probably find that if you do this kind of betting over a long period of time you will be up. In theory anyway! I just gamble for the fun of it and it makes games that would otherwise be insignificant, actually entertaining as the result matters to you. I used to do 6 fold accumulators and put £2 or £3 on. If it comes off you can win 2 or 3 hundred quid or more. The problem is, it hardly ever happens!! I have since found a middle ground and now bet on trebles usually and stick a fiver on. You’ll find that you win more often. The more matches you put in the accumulator, the less often you will win. I always steer clear of result/1st goal scorer combo’s as well (and other similar bets) as they are very difficult to get right!! i agree that you do need some luck involved but there are better chances of winning out there, for example a good bet to have is a patent, a patent is 3 selections covering 7 bets, 3 singles 3 doubles and 1 accy. I do it on william hill and have the 'will both teams score' bet, you normally get odds of around 10/11, 4/5 and if all 3 come off then you are laughing and if 2 come off you get your stake back give or take a few quid
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2010 15:33:07 GMT
There is no secret mate, you always need that luck!! It all depends on what your intentions are I suppose (and I don’t mean winning money!!). If you want to gamble seriously and are prepared to risk big stakes then the way to do that is to pick 1 or 2 results that are (or what you would deem) “dead certs”. Man Utd home win against Blackpool and Chelsea home win against West Brom for example as a double. If you stuck £100 on that you’d probably only win £20 plus your stake back but if you can do that consistently over a period of time, the winnings add up. The problem is, there is no such thing as a “dead cert” in reality and every now and then you’ll slip up. It’s a high risk strategy for a small return. If you can win 4 or 5 bets on the trot then the chances are you have covered yourself if one bet does go wrong and you lose your stake. You will probably find that if you do this kind of betting over a long period of time you will be up. In theory anyway! I just gamble for the fun of it and it makes games that would otherwise be insignificant, actually entertaining as the result matters to you. I used to do 6 fold accumulators and put £2 or £3 on. If it comes off you can win 2 or 3 hundred quid or more. The problem is, it hardly ever happens!! I have since found a middle ground and now bet on trebles usually and stick a fiver on. You’ll find that you win more often. The more matches you put in the accumulator, the less often you will win. I always steer clear of result/1st goal scorer combo’s as well (and other similar bets) as they are very difficult to get right!! i agree that you do need some luck involved but there are better chances of winning out there, for example a good bet to have is a patent, a patent is 3 selections covering 7 bets, 3 singles 3 doubles and 1 accy. I do it on william hill and have the 'will both teams score' bet, you normally get odds of around 10/11, 4/5 and if all 3 come off then you are laughing and if 2 come off you get your stake back give or take a few quid That is true mate, you do give yourself a better chance. You have to balance it up though as you have to stake more of your money as an outlay. If you pick 3 selections and bet £2 on the treble then £2 is your stake. If you pick the same 3 selections and bet as a patent with a £2 stake then your actual outlay is £14 (7 individual bets). It's swings and roundabouts at the end of the day.
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Post by tuncaysanli20 on Sept 7, 2010 18:40:16 GMT
i only really enjoy betting when stoke arent playing on the saturday, just gives me something to get excited about
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Post by luke45 on Sept 8, 2010 8:43:42 GMT
There is no secret mate, you always need that luck!! It all depends on what your intentions are I suppose (and I don’t mean winning money!!). If you want to gamble seriously and are prepared to risk big stakes then the way to do that is to pick 1 or 2 results that are (or what you would deem) “dead certs”. Man Utd home win against Blackpool and Chelsea home win against West Brom for example as a double. If you stuck £100 on that you’d probably only win £20 plus your stake back but if you can do that consistently over a period of time, the winnings add up. The problem is, there is no such thing as a “dead cert” in reality and every now and then you’ll slip up. It’s a high risk strategy for a small return. If you can win 4 or 5 bets on the trot then the chances are you have covered yourself if one bet does go wrong and you lose your stake. You will probably find that if you do this kind of betting over a long period of time you will be up. In theory anyway! I just gamble for the fun of it and it makes games that would otherwise be insignificant, actually entertaining as the result matters to you. I used to do 6 fold accumulators and put £2 or £3 on. If it comes off you can win 2 or 3 hundred quid or more. The problem is, it hardly ever happens!! I have since found a middle ground and now bet on trebles usually and stick a fiver on. You’ll find that you win more often. The more matches you put in the accumulator, the less often you will win. I always steer clear of result/1st goal scorer combo’s as well (and other similar bets) as they are very difficult to get right!! I'm the same really, just a few quid on a few accumulators, a personal favourite of mine is 3 draws, usually pays around 60 quid for a 2 stake if you nail it. I threw 25 quid on the carling cup mid-week games the other week though, backed 4 premier league sides against football league opposition to win in 90 minutes and got about 100 quid back And the result/1st scorer combo's are indeed very difficult, certainly not worth throwing more than a quid on. I've landed it a few times, notably a few years ago when I did John Terry to score first and 3-0 England at 120/1 No such luck last-night though, my accy was fucked by 5:30pm thanks to those fucking Russians losing at home!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2010 8:50:40 GMT
There is no secret mate, you always need that luck!! It all depends on what your intentions are I suppose (and I don’t mean winning money!!). If you want to gamble seriously and are prepared to risk big stakes then the way to do that is to pick 1 or 2 results that are (or what you would deem) “dead certs”. Man Utd home win against Blackpool and Chelsea home win against West Brom for example as a double. If you stuck £100 on that you’d probably only win £20 plus your stake back but if you can do that consistently over a period of time, the winnings add up. The problem is, there is no such thing as a “dead cert” in reality and every now and then you’ll slip up. It’s a high risk strategy for a small return. If you can win 4 or 5 bets on the trot then the chances are you have covered yourself if one bet does go wrong and you lose your stake. You will probably find that if you do this kind of betting over a long period of time you will be up. In theory anyway! I just gamble for the fun of it and it makes games that would otherwise be insignificant, actually entertaining as the result matters to you. I used to do 6 fold accumulators and put £2 or £3 on. If it comes off you can win 2 or 3 hundred quid or more. The problem is, it hardly ever happens!! I have since found a middle ground and now bet on trebles usually and stick a fiver on. You’ll find that you win more often. The more matches you put in the accumulator, the less often you will win. I always steer clear of result/1st goal scorer combo’s as well (and other similar bets) as they are very difficult to get right!! I'm the same really, just a few quid on a few accumulators, a personal favourite of mine is 3 draws, usually pays around 60 quid for a 2 stake if you nail it. I threw 25 quid on the carling cup mid-week games the other week though, backed 4 premier league sides against football league opposition to win in 90 minutes and got about 100 quid back And the result/1st scorer combo's are indeed very difficult, certainly not worth throwing more than a quid on. I've landed it a few times, notably a few years ago when I did John Terry to score first and 3-0 England at 120/1 No such luck last-night though, my accy was fucked by 5:30pm thanks to those fucking Russians losing at home! Yeah, funnily enough I’ve started doing the 3 draws treble this season. It’s come off 2 out of 3 weekends so far as well !! The odds are usually between 35/1 and 40/1 for 3 draws so for my £2.50 stake I win £100. £200 over 2 weekends ;D
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Post by myleftboot on Sept 8, 2010 9:50:06 GMT
I usually have a treble with stoke, crewe and vale for a bit of fun every saturday when they play and then my normal bets on the side.
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Post by lew86 on Sept 8, 2010 10:58:18 GMT
There is no secret mate, you always need that luck!! It all depends on what your intentions are I suppose (and I don’t mean winning money!!). If you want to gamble seriously and are prepared to risk big stakes then the way to do that is to pick 1 or 2 results that are (or what you would deem) “dead certs”. Man Utd home win against Blackpool and Chelsea home win against West Brom for example as a double. If you stuck £100 on that you’d probably only win £20 plus your stake back but if you can do that consistently over a period of time, the winnings add up. The problem is, there is no such thing as a “dead cert” in reality and every now and then you’ll slip up. It’s a high risk strategy for a small return. If you can win 4 or 5 bets on the trot then the chances are you have covered yourself if one bet does go wrong and you lose your stake. You will probably find that if you do this kind of betting over a long period of time you will be up. In theory anyway! I just gamble for the fun of it and it makes games that would otherwise be insignificant, actually entertaining as the result matters to you. I used to do 6 fold accumulators and put £2 or £3 on. If it comes off you can win 2 or 3 hundred quid or more. The problem is, it hardly ever happens!! I used to do that, still do sometimes if I remember. Started putting a few quid on then put the winnings on to win more, it took ages but got some decent coin. I started betting on teams that were about 2-0 up with shit odds but again, adds up eventually. I looked into arbitage betting one but I think you need to dedicate a hell of a lot of time to it. Then the an accy every so often, but they don't come off often, great when they do though getting 80-100 off a few bob.
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Post by lew86 on Sept 8, 2010 11:02:04 GMT
I'm the same really, just a few quid on a few accumulators, a personal favourite of mine is 3 draws, usually pays around 60 quid for a 2 stake if you nail it. I threw 25 quid on the carling cup mid-week games the other week though, backed 4 premier league sides against football league opposition to win in 90 minutes and got about 100 quid back And the result/1st scorer combo's are indeed very difficult, certainly not worth throwing more than a quid on. I've landed it a few times, notably a few years ago when I did John Terry to score first and 3-0 England at 120/1 No such luck last-night though, my accy was fucked by 5:30pm thanks to those fucking Russians losing at home! Yeah, funnily enough I’ve started doing the 3 draws treble this season. It’s come off 2 out of 3 weekends so far as well !! The odds are usually between 35/1 and 40/1 for 3 draws so for my £2.50 stake I win £100. £200 over 2 weekends ;D One of my rules was never bet on a draw, but I like the sound of that ;D.
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Post by Moosehead on Sept 8, 2010 11:14:17 GMT
Talking about dead certs...I had Scotland to win last night as part of my accy - I was celebrating with that 97th minute goal!! I decided to experiment on the dead certs theory last season and had £2 each weekend of the top 4 getting a home win (Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal), I'm not sure that I made much out of that overall as the odds were really poor and dont really cover the abject liverpool performances.
I do the three draw treble quite a bit too, and 3 away wins in Championship/L1. Normally get pretty decent odds and I'm probably just in profit from those bets over the last couple of seasons.
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Sept 8, 2010 11:35:19 GMT
I do them if Stoke aren't playing on a Saturday so it makes the results coming in a bit mor exciting. Whack a quid on an accy and just pick 8 or 9 games, I throw in the odd shock result as there's always a few. I never win but I just do it with a mate to make our saturdays a bit more interesting.
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 8, 2010 11:38:36 GMT
I do them if Stoke aren't playing on a Saturday so it makes the results coming in a bit mor exciting. Whack a quid on an accy and just pick 8 or 9 games, I throw in the odd shock result as there's always a few. I never win but I just do it with a mate to make our saturdays a bit more interesting. i used to do that every week but i got sick of being one off all the fucking time so stopped
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Post by Cityfullergoals on Sept 8, 2010 12:19:56 GMT
At the start of each season I try and identify a team that has goals in them, but also a poorish defence, and then every time they play back the Over 2.5 Goals bet
This year I have picked Peterborough United (a decent free scoring team especially at home), but also liable to concede
The beauty of this bet is that if your side has an off day, you can still win eg they may lose 3-0
The result does not matter, its just the amount of goals scored
So far this season Peterboro had a 100% record until last Saturday when they lost 1-0 at Tranmere, so its 7-8 at present
I work out what I have to put on to win £20 (eg if 4/6 then its £30), and when it wins I put that money towards next years season ticket
So far this season:
7 wins @ £20 = £140 profit
1 loss at £23.50
Total profit for season so far = £117.50
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 8, 2010 12:34:18 GMT
At the start of each season I try and identify a team that has goals in them, but also a poorish defence, and then every time they play back the Over 2.5 Goals bet
This year I have picked Peterborough United (a decent free scoring team especially at home), but also liable to concede
The beauty of this bet is that if your side has an off day, you can still win eg they may lose 3-0
The result does not matter, its just the amount of goals scored
So far this season Peterboro had a 100% record until last Saturday when they lost 1-0 at Tranmere, so its 7-8 at present
I work out what I have to put on to win £20 (eg if 4/6 then its £30), and when it wins I put that money towards next years season ticket
So far this season:
7 wins @ £20 = £140 profit
1 loss at £23.50
Total profit for season so far = £117.50 good information that is mate, i might try that myself
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Post by neoisd1 on Sept 8, 2010 12:42:43 GMT
3 draws is by far and away the best to have. I usually win every 1 in 3/4, put £2 on and usually returns £60/70
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 8, 2010 12:58:49 GMT
3 draws is by far and away the best to have. I usually win every 1 in 3/4, put £2 on and usually returns £60/70 i used to have £1 on 3 draws every week and i won twice
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 8, 2010 18:39:33 GMT
Never have any more multiple selections than three (a treble). Once you start putting money on these Hollywood-style 16-team accumulators you're just giving your cash away.
Avoid the long odds-on dead certs. The bookies know these are the most popular mugs-bets, and they're priced up accordingly. It only takes a few surprise draws and you're in big trouble very quickly.
Draws in the premiership could prove fairly profitable long-term. Concentrate on draws between the mid-ranking also rans. It's amazing how often the likes of Bolton-Birmingham-Fulham and Blackburn et al end up drawing with each other. Again though I'd be wary of multiples.
Any bet where the odds represent value and there's a realistic chance of winning is a good bet. You can identify these if you know more about the team in question than the bookie does, and it gives you an edge percentage-wise. The Peterborough example given above is an excellent one.
Avoid correct scores and first scorer bets like the plague. There's no value in these long term as the bookie builds in a big over-round. It's a bit like a roullette wheel with ten zeros.
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Post by PickSCFC on Sept 9, 2010 11:14:24 GMT
is anyone into 'lay' betting?
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Post by Cityfullergoals on Sept 9, 2010 11:27:48 GMT
is anyone into 'lay' betting?
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Post by cheeseinmybum on Sept 9, 2010 13:56:29 GMT
from someone who works in the betting industry, and not in a shop, then bet in singles. single bets are the most unprofitable to bookies.
bet things that are good value and don't try to "buy" money by going big on odds-on shots
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Post by Boyceys been up the attic on Sept 10, 2010 22:51:34 GMT
from someone who works in the betting industry, and not in a shop, then bet in singles. single bets are the most unprofitable to bookies. bet things that are good value and don't try to "buy" money by going big on odds-on shots Good advice,singles or doubles are always best towards the end of last season and this I have been backing the vale,unglamourous lower level teams even when doing well are usually good value,and I have already made enough to see me through the season. Also remember the easiest way to check a teams ranking is to look at goal difference not points,try it after a third of the season, you will be suprised
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Post by bradthescaff on Sept 11, 2010 5:17:33 GMT
Trixie good bet ,3 draws pays well and You only need to Get 2 up For money-back
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Post by bignickhowes on Sept 11, 2010 11:33:02 GMT
took some of your advice and put on 3 draws rather than the normal 4 I would do, wish me luck
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Post by Cityfullergoals on Sept 11, 2010 15:07:11 GMT
At the start of each season I try and identify a team that has goals in them, but also a poorish defence, and then every time they play back the Over 2.5 Goals bet
This year I have picked Peterborough United (a decent free scoring team especially at home), but also liable to concede
The beauty of this bet is that if your side has an off day, you can still win eg they may lose 3-0
The result does not matter, its just the amount of goals scored
So far this season Peterboro had a 100% record until last Saturday when they lost 1-0 at Tranmere, so its 7-8 at present
I work out what I have to put on to win £20 (eg if 4/6 then its £30), and when it wins I put that money towards next years season ticket
So far this season:
7 wins @ £20 = £140 profit
1 loss at £23.50
Total profit for season so far = £117.50 JOB DONE BY HALF TIME ;D ;D
Profit for season £137.50
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Post by Moosehead on Sept 11, 2010 17:50:46 GMT
At the start of each season I try and identify a team that has goals in them, but also a poorish defence, and then every time they play back the Over 2.5 Goals bet
This year I have picked Peterborough United (a decent free scoring team especially at home), but also liable to concede
The beauty of this bet is that if your side has an off day, you can still win eg they may lose 3-0
The result does not matter, its just the amount of goals scored
So far this season Peterboro had a 100% record until last Saturday when they lost 1-0 at Tranmere, so its 7-8 at present
I work out what I have to put on to win £20 (eg if 4/6 then its £30), and when it wins I put that money towards next years season ticket
So far this season:
7 wins @ £20 = £140 profit
1 loss at £23.50
Total profit for season so far = £117.50 JOB DONE BY HALF TIME ;D ;D
Profit for season £137.50Cheers for the tip- had me some of that today as well. As for my three draw theory - bloody Fulham screwed up a 40-1 shot with a last minute winner. And Everton cost me a couple of quid with that late comeback (although that will be worth it for MOTD, and the fantasy footy points for Arteta and Cahill!)
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Sept 14, 2010 12:02:07 GMT
At the start of each season I try and identify a team that has goals in them, but also a poorish defence, and then every time they play back the Over 2.5 Goals bet
This year I have picked Peterborough United (a decent free scoring team especially at home), but also liable to concede
The beauty of this bet is that if your side has an off day, you can still win eg they may lose 3-0
The result does not matter, its just the amount of goals scored
So far this season Peterboro had a 100% record until last Saturday when they lost 1-0 at Tranmere, so its 7-8 at present
I work out what I have to put on to win £20 (eg if 4/6 then its £30), and when it wins I put that money towards next years season ticket
So far this season:
7 wins @ £20 = £140 profit
1 loss at £23.50
Total profit for season so far = £117.50 JOB DONE BY HALF TIME ;D ;D
Profit for season £137.50I got on this too, only had a fiver at evens though, cheers for the tip CFG.
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