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Post by sirpineapple89 on Jul 2, 2010 13:47:22 GMT
I was only having a laugh but Rooney is just built that way. Footballers can still win things without being the fitness people on Earth, whereas cyclists have to maintain a scarily high level of fitness just to compete.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Jul 2, 2010 14:27:23 GMT
I was only having a laugh but Rooney is just built that way. Footballers can still win things without being the fitness people on Earth, whereas cyclists have to maintain a scarily high level of fitness just to compete. True Rooney is built like a shit house door and true that footballers possibly need to carry a little bit of weight to aid the abuse their bodies take from knocks etc., and true they can win things like that but Rooney was injured that is why he came back unfit but he should have been in the gym no stop and eating a super strict diet while not being able to train properly If they want to leave no stone un-turned if they want to compete with the world's best they should prepare like the world's best. You're spot on with your quote on cyclists. Why are they so driven because if they can't compete they don't get paid. Some will give there life to training and then grovel like dogs through the Tour de france working for someone else, just to earn a half reasonable wage. That is where the problem really is over paid, pampered big heads. |
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Post by stokebill on Jul 2, 2010 14:58:29 GMT
The tiredness issue isn't bollocks though is it? We're not talking about footballers having to work as nurses, we're talking about athletes competing against other athletes, in a sport where being at peak physical condition is key. For example, I'd rather have a nurse attend to me having worked 40 hours that week than 70 hours. There are so many people within football across Europe saying that the Premier League isn't necessarily the best league, but it is the most physically punishing. I'm not making excuses for England's dismal World Cup. So many factors were involved. Tiredness is one though - we can see that for ourselves when assessing Premier League footballers performance across the tournament. The nurse/athlete comparison is irrelevant. Compare a footballer to a rower for example. I'm not having the tired line one bit, it's horse shit. You have to compare footballers to footballers, and rowers to rowers though - don't you? You can't convince me that elite footballers at the top of their profession, with their fitness trainers, nutritionists, etc aren't trained properly. Footballers have to maintain a peak for 10 months of the year in a World Cup season. Steve Redgrave, for example, worked towards being at peak physical fitness for the Olympics and maybe a World Championship - in, like cycling, a non contact sport. |
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Jul 2, 2010 15:06:20 GMT
The nurse/athlete comparison is irrelevant. Compare a footballer to a rower for example. I'm not having the tired line one bit, it's horse shit. You have to compare footballers to footballers, and rowers to rowers though - don't you? You can't convince me that elite footballers at the top of their profession, with their fitness trainers, nutritionists, etc aren't trained properly. Footballers have to maintain a peak for 10 months of the year in a World Cup season. Steve Redgrave, for example, worked towards being at peak physical fitness for the Olympics and maybe a World Championship - in, like cycling, a non contact sport. Bradley Wiggins was a borderline (if not actual) alcoholic wasn't he? Good points, but the cycling season is long and hard, but you're correct, compare footballers with footballers. Compare the 1966 images with current side look at their fitness, when Alan Ball and Knobby Stiles take their tops off they are skin and bone and that was when football was slow. I reckon they looked after themselves far better than this lot. |
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 2, 2010 18:06:39 GMT
You have to compare footballers to footballers, and rowers to rowers though - don't you? You can't convince me that elite footballers at the top of their profession, with their fitness trainers, nutritionists, etc aren't trained properly. Footballers have to maintain a peak for 10 months of the year in a World Cup season. Steve Redgrave, for example, worked towards being at peak physical fitness for the Olympics and maybe a World Championship - in, like cycling, a non contact sport. Bradley Wiggins was a borderline (if not actual) alcoholic wasn't he? Good points, but the cycling season is long and hard, but you're correct, compare footballers with footballers. Compare the 1966 images with current side look at their fitness, when Alan Ball and Knobby Stiles take their tops off they are skin and bone and that was when football was slow. I reckon they looked after themselves far better than this lot. You believe that training methods, fitness levels and dietary concerns in football were better 50 years ago than today? Are you serious? |
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 2, 2010 18:14:29 GMT
The arguments about what footballers have to do, and not knowing the meaning of tiredness is so facile it's ridiculous.
They are sportsmen ffs - get over it, they will never have to do a "hard day's grind" as you and I know it. It's all relative - the Prem-based players are "tired" compared to other nations' players, not compared to a nurse who has to work 60 hours a week. Why would you make that comparison anyway?
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Post by stokebill on Jul 2, 2010 18:27:44 GMT
The arguments about what footballers have to do, and not knowing the meaning of tiredness is so facile it's ridiculous. They are sportsmen ffs - get over it, they will never have to do a "hard day's grind" as you and I know it. It's all relative - the Prem-based players are "tired" compared to other nations' players, not compared to a nurse who has to work 60 hours a week. Why would you make that comparison anyway? That's what I attempted to say, only better.  I'm no physio but resting the muscles, and the joints in a high impact game such as football must be important, resting the mind (what footballers have of them) is important too. Probably a complete coincidence but the example given earlier of a fit footballer, Owen Hargreaves, has shot knees at 28. The World Cup is an irrelevance to football, and that won't change. Clubs come first, and without good club form international football doesn't follow anyway. Maintaining peak fitness is hard - you only have to look at athletes times immediately post-Olympics to see that. By the time the World Cup arrives players are jaded - we've seen this with the standard of football produced across the tournament. We're probably more jaded than most. No excuse for the appalling football we served up, but a contributory factor for me. Far easier for rowers and cyclists to put in the hours, they just sit down and go in a straight line.  |
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Jul 2, 2010 20:57:42 GMT
Good points, but the cycling season is long and hard, but you're correct, compare footballers with footballers. Compare the 1966 images with current side look at their fitness, when Alan Ball and Knobby Stiles take their tops off they are skin and bone and that was when football was slow. I reckon they looked after themselves far better than this lot. You believe that training methods, fitness levels and dietary concerns in football were better 50 years ago than today? Are you serious? No I didn't say that. I said the players in 66 probably looked after the bodies better, They are not fitter than today not a chance but I bet they drank less, eat less crap and didn't smoke, I am not generalizing I'm talking only of the 66 squad and how they may have keep weight down etc., just for that tornament. I bet if Alf Ramsey saw one with a cigar it would have been rammed up their arses. |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Jul 2, 2010 21:00:03 GMT
Perhaps if our ex-international skipper wouldn't expend his energy nailing his mates' missus he might not have been slow as f***.
Just a thought.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 2, 2010 22:26:40 GMT
As suggested above Chris, I think it's more to do with the high tempo of the English game than just number of games. High tempo? don't you mean chasing about like headless chickens? |
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 2, 2010 23:29:39 GMT
You believe that training methods, fitness levels and dietary concerns in football were better 50 years ago than today? Are you serious? No I didn't say that. I said the players in 66 probably looked after the bodies better, They are not fitter than today not a chance but I bet they drank less, eat less crap and didn't smoke, I am not generalizing I'm talking only of the 66 squad and how they may have keep weight down etc., just for that tornament. I bet if Alf Ramsey saw one with a cigar it would have been rammed up their arses. You are, officially, totally and utterly bonkers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2010 6:42:36 GMT
Tiredness wasn't the issue, boredom was.
Capello's regime was this: sleep, breakfast, train, lunch, players back to their rooms for rest, evening dinner, sleep. Repeat.
As boring as fuck, and no wonder the players didn't perform as they all had cabin fever.
I'm not saying they should all be on the lash, but the dictatorship regime was a step too far. Hopefully Capello has learned a valuable lesson, and will cut them more slack at the Euro's - assuming we qualify.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2010 8:23:14 GMT
Poor folk - three weeks of having to really focus on the biggest event in the world that they'll play in. They should have been focusing on each and every one of their opponents, not moaning coz they're bored.
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Post by stokebill on Jul 3, 2010 8:27:10 GMT
No I didn't say that. I said the players in 66 probably looked after the bodies better, They are not fitter than today not a chance but I bet they drank less, eat less crap and didn't smoke, I am not generalizing I'm talking only of the 66 squad and how they may have keep weight down etc., just for that tornament. I bet if Alf Ramsey saw one with a cigar it would have been rammed up their arses. You are, officially, totally and utterly bonkers.  Jimmy Greaves ponders his omission from the '66 World Cup side and wonders, "What went wrong?" |
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Post by mumph on Jul 3, 2010 9:04:16 GMT
The truth is simple and has nowt t' do with them being tired.
They weren't good enough.
They didn't try hard enough.
They didn't care enough.
They weren't managed effectively.
The manager picked the wrong squad, wrong team and the wrong tactics.
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Post by AlliG on Jul 3, 2010 10:11:58 GMT
Bobby Moore made Alan Hudson seem like a member of the Temperance Society.
With a few notable examples like Sir Stan who were fanatical about fitness and nutrition, the average 60s footballer appeared to live on steak, chips, beer & fags.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 3, 2010 10:18:36 GMT
Jimmy Greaves used to have a full roast dinner as a pre match meal!
Bobby Moores drinking exploits are the stuff of legend. He was nicknamed 'The Sponge'.
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Post by jann63 on Jul 3, 2010 10:26:38 GMT
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