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Post by PickSCFC on Jun 21, 2010 14:40:02 GMT
Shawcross a one season wonder with no experience over Upson some of you lot need to learn about football (cilla n hustler excluded) Upson has been quality for us from jan07 -may 09 he had a below par season last year i admit but still had some decent games and he has never let England down 6 games with JT 6 wins with 4 clean sheets.I believe he should have been ahead that slug Carragher who has to foul people where he is so slow.Dawson has only had one good year last year most spurs fans before that though he was shit hence the nick name they gave him donkey dawson its obvious capello has ignored current form and has gone on reputation's. Parker, Bent, Adam Johnson should have all been on the plane and Hart should be number 1 but he bottled it like previous managers that is why we are a joke of a team struggling to beat 3 pub teams in the group. shawcross has had 3 great seasons for stoke mate
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 21, 2010 14:41:32 GMT
Upson wouldn't get in the Stoke squad. Campbell was right about Upson and Carragher, sadly.
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Post by diaofan on Jun 21, 2010 14:43:48 GMT
Shawcross a one season wonder with no experience over Upson some of you lot need to learn about football (cilla n hustler excluded) Upson has been quality for us from jan07 -may 09 he had a below par season last year i admit but still had some decent games and he has never let England down 6 games with JT 6 wins with 4 clean sheets.I believe he should have been ahead that slug Carragher who has to foul people where he is so slow.Dawson has only had one good year last year most spurs fans before that though he was shit hence the nick name they gave him donkey dawson its obvious capello has ignored current form and has gone on reputation's. Parker, Bent, Adam Johnson should have all been on the plane and Hart should be number 1 but he bottled it like previous managers that is why we are a joke of a team struggling to beat 3 pub teams in the group. Shawcross isn't a one-season wonder. He's been playing consistently well for us for 3 years now. However, I do agree with the overall sentiment of your post
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jun 21, 2010 14:46:25 GMT
With respect Hustler, you seem to be missing the fact that he's fucking useless. him and terry played well together but dont let that cloud your judgement I'm just going on what I've seen mate, he spends most of the time on his arse and if you ask West Ham fans they will tell you he's been gash this season. He may have done "ok" against the rabble in our qualifing group but this is the really big stage and he is a shit house in my humble opinion. He wanks out of tackles, isn't very quick, goes to ground too soon and isn't that great in possession. Still if you think he's good enough, you're entitled to your opinion.
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Post by coggy on Jun 21, 2010 14:46:08 GMT
Shawcross a one season wonder ...................... I didn't bother reading the rest after that
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Post by dicanio10 on Jun 21, 2010 14:52:06 GMT
Shawcross a one season wonder ...................... I didn't bother reading the rest after that Afternoon coggy i thought shawcross had only been there two seasons my bad i never noticed him much before last season and even then he went off the boil after that (TACKLE) he is one for the future i agree but its only potential at the mo he hasn't been there and done it like Upson over a long period of time.
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Post by dicanio10 on Jun 21, 2010 14:54:55 GMT
Upson wouldn't get in the Stoke squad. Campbell was right about Upson and Carragher, sadly. Oh silly me i forgot stokes squad is stronger then the Engalnd national team team think before you type mate.
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Post by rigsby on Jun 21, 2010 14:55:01 GMT
Upson is dire, and he's had a terrible season, so much for the bullshit Fabio spun about playing players who were in form. Not only is he not in form, but his good form is average at best when it comes to joker Upson. Pft!
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Post by rigsby on Jun 21, 2010 14:55:40 GMT
Shawcross a one season wonder ...................... I didn't bother reading the rest after that Same here Coggy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 21, 2010 14:57:41 GMT
Upson wouldn't get in the Stoke squad. Campbell was right about Upson and Carragher, sadly. Oh silly me i forgot stokes squad is stronger then the Engalnd national team team think before you type mate. I didn't say that did I? Upson isn't better than Huth, Shawcross, Faye or Higgi so he wouldn't get in our squad.
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Post by dicanio10 on Jun 21, 2010 15:01:30 GMT
Oh silly me i forgot stokes squad is stronger then the Engalnd national team team think before you type mate. I didn't say that did I? Upson isn't better than Huth, Shawcross, Faye or Higgi so he wouldn't get in our squad. Huth lol you rescued that bum from the championship no one else wanted him Faye and higgi are championship standard players.Upsons CV PISSES Over them.
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Post by jen on Jun 21, 2010 15:02:17 GMT
I didn't bother reading the rest after that Afternoon coggy i thought shawcross had only been there two seasons my bad i never noticed him much before last season and even then he went off the boil after that (TACKLE) he is one for the future i agree but its only potential at the mo he hasn't been there and done it like Upson over a long period of time. Shawcross picked up an injury following his suspension which meant he missed quite a few games at the end of the season. Not quite "off the boil". I really don't know how you can comment on a player that you know so little about. It's a shame that Fabio has gone for experience before form in his squad selection - because so far it's not paying off.
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Jun 21, 2010 15:02:37 GMT
Just how bad has Upson been? Just talking to a few West Ham fans and MOTD highlights doesn't really give you the full picture. Ask a couple of Stoke season ticket holders and I'm sure you'll you'll get a few that would say Fuller is lazy and crap, Shawcross is overrated and Sorensen is toss!
I'm not really an Upson fan, I just need convincing it's not THAT bad he's playing, surely he can't be as slow as Carragher. West Ham had a poor year, and somethings even decent players can look bad when they're exposed so much.
Does anyone like Upson or seen him enough to give us a decent opinion?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 21, 2010 15:04:57 GMT
I didn't say that did I? Upson isn't better than Huth, Shawcross, Faye or Higgi so he wouldn't get in our squad. Huth lol you rescued that bum from the championship no one else wanted him Faye and higgi are championship standard players.Upsons CV PISSES Over them. If we're judging it on CV's lets call up Bobby Moore! Fuck CV's it's about performance here and now and in the here and now, Upson isn't better than them imo. edit-and if it is about CV's, Huths wins.
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Post by dicanio10 on Jun 21, 2010 15:08:14 GMT
Huth lol you rescued that bum from the championship no one else wanted him Faye and higgi are championship standard players.Upsons CV PISSES Over them. If we're judging it on CV's lets call up Bobby Moore! Fuck CV's it's about performance here and now and in the here and now, Upson isn't better than them imo. I can accept shawcross being better esp on last seasons form the other 3 are terrible defenders why do they play for stoke? and were rescued from reserves of other clubs?because they are bums that no one else wanted esp higgi a shocking player.
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Post by jen on Jun 21, 2010 15:10:03 GMT
I didn't say that did I? Upson isn't better than Huth, Shawcross, Faye or Higgi so he wouldn't get in our squad. Huth lol you rescued that bum from the championship no one else wanted him Faye and higgi are championship standard players.Upsons CV PISSES Over them. Right let's see how our defence (a bum and championship players, all terrible defenders according to you) compared with yours last season. Stoke 48 goals conceded, 14 clean sheets. West Ham 66 goals conceded, 8 clean sheets. Maybe someone forgot to read Upson's CV - or was it all Green's fault.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 21, 2010 15:09:59 GMT
If we're judging it on CV's lets call up Bobby Moore! Fuck CV's it's about performance here and now and in the here and now, Upson isn't better than them imo. I can accept shawcross being better esp on last seasons form the other 3 are terrible defenders why do they play for stoke and were rescused from reserves of other clubs they are bums esp higgi a shocking player. You've conceded Shawcross, so I'll concede Faye who was a bit crap last season. The other 2 are better though, Higgi was our best centre half in the second half of last season and Huth is a man mountain. And if You missed my edit, has a better CV too.
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Post by dicanio10 on Jun 21, 2010 15:13:14 GMT
Upson is a high profile respected player who has international caps and has played for arsenal and played european football and wanted by bigger clubs than west ham 13 months ago and earns more than them three put together.Which reserve teams did these bums come from?
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Post by gilberto on Jun 21, 2010 15:15:13 GMT
If we're judging it on CV's lets call up Bobby Moore! Fuck CV's it's about performance here and now and in the here and now, Upson isn't better than them imo. I can accept shawcross being better esp on last seasons form the other 3 are terrible defenders why do they play for stoke? and were rescued from reserves of other clubs?because they are bums that no one else wanted esp higgi a shocking player. you're digging yourself a hole now. terrible defenders that play for stoke who finished a LONG way above west ham last season and until the 3rd to last game of the season had only conceded SIXTEEN goals away from home which at the time was as good a record as man utd. yes, terrible defenders who play for little old stoke.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 21, 2010 15:15:34 GMT
Huth has won 2 Premier League titles Came 3rd in the World Cup 3rd in the Confederations Cup And has 19 caps for a far superior nation at football. Good day.
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Post by jen on Jun 21, 2010 15:16:18 GMT
Upson is a high profile respected player who has international caps and has played for arsenal and played european football and wanted by bigger clubs than west ham 13 months ago and earns more than them three put together. So - All that means is that West Ham are paying over the odds for an over-rated player who's way past his best. Tell us something new. ;D ;D
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Post by dicanio10 on Jun 21, 2010 15:22:55 GMT
Fine i let you deluded lot believe that next you will be telling me delap and whitehaed are better than parker and sidbie is better than cole becuase you scored more goals, and because you finished higher than us.Which you all crow about and that was the first time in donkeys years that happened as well, you couldn't make this stuff up you lot are totally clueless most of you even think you are a bigger club than West Ham WHICH SHOWS how deluded you lot really are good bye kids.
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Post by RAF on Jun 21, 2010 15:24:06 GMT
That's right, he's been fucking wank for over a year now!
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I think the poor cunter who tried to teach you punctuation was the deluded one sweetheart!
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Post by jen on Jun 21, 2010 15:24:12 GMT
Fine i let you deluded lot believe that next you will be telling me delap and whitehaed are better than parker and sidbie is better than cole becuase you scored more goals and because you finished higher than us which you all crow about that was the first time in donkeys years that happened as well couldn't make this stuff up you lot are totally clueless most of you even think you are a bigger club than West Ham WHICH SHOWS how deluded you lt really are good bye. Bye then.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 21, 2010 15:26:41 GMT
Fine i let you deluded lot believe that next you will be telling me delap and whitehaed are better than parker and sidbie is better than cole becuase you scored more goals, and because you finished higher than us.Which you all crow about and that was the first time in donkeys years that happened as well, you couldn't make this stuff up you lot are totally clueless most of you even think you are a bigger club than West Ham WHICH SHOWS how deluded you lot really are good bye kids. No they're not obviously! And we aren't a bigger club than West Ham imo. We do have better centre halves and goalkeepers though!
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Post by diaofan on Jun 21, 2010 15:28:43 GMT
Didn't West Ham sign Upson from Birmingham when they were relegated a few years back? Surely that parallels our signing of Huth from Middlesbrough (even moreso when you consider that they were both young reserve CBs at top clubs - Arsenal and Chelsea respectively).
There's not much between the 2 on paper and Huth's form for us since he signed has been terrific and Upson's hasn't in the same time frame
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 21, 2010 15:50:39 GMT
With Upson playing, our troubles are now over then.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2010 15:58:11 GMT
"Past Upson with ease" - "I have to say, poor defending" Upson - FFS - Upson
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Post by Irish Stokie on Jun 21, 2010 16:06:06 GMT
It really shows just how bad Capellos squad selection was, Carragher shouldnt be near the squad and Upson has been a donkey all season but is still picked ahead of an in-form Dawson. Upson is marginally better then Carragher but if you get into the knock-out stages a striker with pace will rip the defence open at will
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Post by gazXbrum on Jun 21, 2010 16:48:17 GMT
I don't like him either but JC has been shit and Dawson is untried at this level. Should have taken Ryan and the back 4 would be sorted. ----------------------------------- Wasnt too long ago people were saying there were a list of quality english centre backs as long as your arm. Now all of a sudden they,ve vanished!!
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